DUST Search - Buff Gallente & Caldari Assault!!!!!!

taxi bastard wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

taxi bastard wrote:

if everyone is crying for better bonuses.

i would gladly change my mini assault ammo bonus for the passive rep of the gallente or the OP sheilds of the caldari.

i reload after most kills so it really does not do too much for me, so i will change my better bonus for your better suits, deal?

Minmitar have the better dual tanking capability then the gallente and Caldari who are pretty much exclusively one or the other. You will feel differently when running a gallente and you get wiped out by armor profile weapons or Caldari when a charged ScR wipes out your only line of defense. If you are dual tanking Caldari instead of putting on regulators then you are using an inferior e/hp buffer suit with slow movement. Amarr and Minmitar just do dual tanking better, which is working as intended if you ask me. The trade off between Amarr and Minmitar is that Amarr have dat high e/hp but abysmal recharge and slow movement.

I used to run minmitar before 1.8, and since hotfix charlie's assault fix Minmitar assault got much better. Try not reducing your minmitar movement speed too much while abusing the higher low slot count then Caldari or slapping on a regulator and rechargers. Your goal as minmitar should be to move fast from cover to cover and flank enemies. If I could switch back to minmitar since the heavy and assault rebalance in charlie I would be running minmitar again. They are far better than they were pre-charlie. Speed is king on Winmitar.

on my alt i play caldari assault and yes i know scramblers are horrid for a pure shield tank, but on the balance of things its a great suit for getting back into the action fully healed ASAP. aslo not dual tanking the suit means you can keep a reasonable speed aswell.

when fitted the mini suit has considerably slower regen both rate and start time but similar speed and EHP this is why i consider it a inferior suit. yes the bonus is better but overall it is inferior. my worry is people always want their suit to be OP and cry until it happens not considering the pro's and cons of the rest of them and just looking at the stand out stat i.e a few more ammo per clip which really is not the blessing most people assume 95% of the time. If you look at the sugestions about how to buff the suits on this post or previous posts you will see that many are simply going to be OP such as extra sheilds per level or reduced movement on the RR when shooting which has the potential to make a strong weapon a ridiculous weapon when combined with the caldari assault.


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TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 508	Posted - 2014.08.25 21:57:00 - [1] - Quote I still think Assaults should just go back to having bonuses that benefit them being the class that's supposed to be the best at constantly attacking. Gallente: Armor Repair/Reactive Plate efficiency +5% per level Caldari: Shield Recharger/Energizer efficiency +5% per level. Minmitar: Shield Regulator efficiency +5% per level. Amarr: Armor Plate/Ferroscale plate efficiency +5% per level. I think weapon specific bonuses should remain a niche thing for commandos.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 511	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:15:00 - [2] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: not sure what the fuss is all about, got the caldari assault on my alt and mini on my main. although the caldari suit itself does not have great bonuses the regen both time and amount is enough to make me get hard. how can you not love 433 sheilds with a 3.1 second recharge delay and 52 sheild rep per second on a basic suit? and it just gets better and better per teir. the suit itself is considerably better than the mini assault but the bonus is not as good. havent used the gallente assault for a long time but having that passive rep imo is a big deal - and from reading the forums quite a few people like the bonus as is is. It's not that the Caldari suit is bad, it's that the bonus isn't useful. It's bad game design to have some bonuses be useful and some not be useful. I also think logi bonuses should be tied to the equipment and not the suit. So Caldari nanohives should be better and Amarr uplinks should be better even if the player changes suits/dies. I mean, If I lay proxy mines they don't disappear when I switch suits and the whole reason CCP claimed that they nerfed equipment and changed logi bonuses was to make logi's as good with equipment as pre equipment nerf so why can't logi equipment keep their bonus across suits?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 511	Posted - 2014.08.25 23:23:00 - [3] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: if everyone is crying for better bonuses. i would gladly change my mini assault ammo bonus for the passive rep of the gallente or the OP sheilds of the caldari. i reload after most kills so it really does not do too much for me, so i will change my better bonus for your better suits, deal? Minmitar have the better dual tanking capability then the gallente and Caldari who are pretty much exclusively one or the other. You will feel differently when running a gallente and you get wiped out by armor profile weapons or Caldari when a charged ScR wipes out your only line of defense. If you are dual tanking Caldari instead of putting on regulators then you are using an inferior e/hp buffer suit with slow movement. Amarr and Minmitar just do dual tanking better, which is working as intended if you ask me. The trade off between Amarr and Minmitar is that Amarr have dat high e/hp but abysmal recharge and slow movement. I used to run minmitar before 1.8, and since hotfix charlie's assault fix Minmitar assault got much better. Try not reducing your minmitar movement speed too much while abusing the higher low slot count then Caldari or slapping on a regulator and rechargers. Your goal as minmitar should be to move fast from cover to cover and flank enemies. If I could switch back to minmitar since the heavy and assault rebalance in charlie I would be running minmitar again. They are far better than they were pre-charlie. Speed is king on Winmitar.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 512	Posted - 2014.08.26 00:16:00 - [4] - Quote bamboo x wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I also think logi bonuses should be tied to the equipment and not the suit. So Caldari nanohives should be better and Amarr uplinks should be better even if the player changes suits/dies. I mean, If I lay proxy mines they don't disappear when I switch suits and the whole reason CCP claimed that they nerfed equipment and changed logi bonuses was to make logi's as good with equipment as pre equipment nerf so why can't logi equipment keep their bonus across suits? No, that's insane. Imagine getting proto stomped by red dots surrounding a supply depot that's got 3 and 6 second uplinks, nanohives that rep 100 armor a second and supply two clips' worth of ammo in one pulse, heavies getting OP minmatar reps AND OP gallente scans Its almost as if flux grenades and mass drivers don't even exist. If your team can't clear a supply depot with those bonuses your team can't clear a supply depot without those bonuses. and nanohives at 100 armor a second... what? I didn't say buff the equipment... I said make it to where the equipment bonus that does exist applies to the equipment and not the suit, so that if they die/switch it out their nanohive and uplink bonus stays. This wouldn't do **** to gallente scanners or minmitar reps, what are you on about?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 512	Posted - 2014.08.26 00:39:00 - [5] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: taxi bastard wrote: if everyone is crying for better bonuses. i would gladly change my mini assault ammo bonus for the passive rep of the gallente or the OP sheilds of the caldari. i reload after most kills so it really does not do too much for me, so i will change my better bonus for your better suits, deal? Minmitar have the better dual tanking capability then the gallente and Caldari who are pretty much exclusively one or the other. You will feel differently when running a gallente and you get wiped out by armor profile weapons or Caldari when a charged ScR wipes out your only line of defense. If you are dual tanking Caldari instead of putting on regulators then you are using an inferior e/hp buffer suit with slow movement. Amarr and Minmitar just do dual tanking better, which is working as intended if you ask me. The trade off between Amarr and Minmitar is that Amarr have dat high e/hp but abysmal recharge and slow movement. I used to run minmitar before 1.8, and since hotfix charlie's assault fix Minmitar assault got much better. Try not reducing your minmitar movement speed too much while abusing the higher low slot count then Caldari or slapping on a regulator and rechargers. Your goal as minmitar should be to move fast from cover to cover and flank enemies. If I could switch back to minmitar since the heavy and assault rebalance in charlie I would be running minmitar again. They are far better than they were pre-charlie. Speed is king on Winmitar. on my alt i play caldari assault and yes i know scramblers are horrid for a pure shield tank, but on the balance of things its a great suit for getting back into the action fully healed ASAP. aslo not dual tanking the suit means you can keep a reasonable speed aswell. when fitted the mini suit has considerably slower regen both rate and start time but similar speed and EHP this is why i consider it a inferior suit. yes the bonus is better but overall it is inferior. my worry is people always want their suit to be OP and cry until it happens not considering the pro's and cons of the rest of them and just looking at the stand out stat i.e a few more ammo per clip which really is not the blessing most people assume 95% of the time. If you look at the sugestions about how to buff the suits on this post or previous posts you will see that many are simply going to be OP such as extra sheilds per level or reduced movement on the RR when shooting which has the potential to make a strong weapon a ridiculous weapon when combined with the caldari assault. I suggested efficiencies for modules based on each suits version of assault. That's why I'm trying to steer it away from weapons as there won't really be a useful rail rifle bonus that matches say the overheating bonus of Amarr without making the RR OP. The shield extender bonus I don't agree with but I think a shield energizer/recharger bonus would work well on Caldari. Like I said my suggestions were already made in the thread. As to the Caldari being better at dual tanking I simply don't agree. If you stack armor on the Caldari and ignore shield regulators your shields are going to recharge once in a blue moon defeating the purpose of having such a set up. On the other hand Minmitar can more easily balance both their shields and armor better than the Caldari as far as regen goes, because a Caldari with poor regen and lots of e/hp is just an inferior Amarr suit. I can tell pretty easily that the Minmitar is a better dual tanker because my Caldari adv suit runs like this: 503 shields 197 armor Total 700 Pro: Very quick regen Con: Shield profiled weapons wreck this suit. My Minmitar Neo Assault I have a few suits on that's only STD not even adv: 371 shields 356 Armor Total 727 with a pretty even split Pros: Even split on damage profiles, it moves slightly faster (5.04 speed as opposed to 5.00 on my Caldari), has more e/hp and it isn't even adv minmitar. Cons: Slightly less shield regen (It has the base 25 regen as opposed to my Cal assaults 40 regen with its shield recharger) The minmitar assaults used to be a lot worse by comparison but post charlie they have become much better. Remember although a Caldari can get a high e/hp it has to sacrifice all its regen potential to get that slightly higher e/hp while the Minmitar will have a much smaller penalty in comparison. You have to consider all the pros and cons when building a suit, that regen on an Extender stacked Cal is useless without a good regulator taking up what little low slots you have, and no armor rep in my opinion is always a bad idea unless you're carrying a triage/compact nanohive, which keeps you from carrying an ammo nanohive with far more ammo resupply. Edit: Also keep in mind the adv minmitar if fitted with a regulator it will have fast regen like my cal assault while if they drop an extender for an enhanced shield energizer they can end up with 37.5 shield regen compared to my 40 while taking a less hefty shield penalty for the energizer since they have a lower shield total then my Caldari. If built right and in my opinion, the Minmitar makes a far better balanced dual tank assault then the Caldari.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 512	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:25:00 - [6] - Quote bamboo x wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: and nanohives at 100 armor a second... what? I didn't say buff the equipment... I said make it to where the equipment bonus that does exist applies to the equipment and not the suit, so that if they die/switch it out their nanohive and uplink bonus stays. This wouldn't do ** to gallente scanners or minmitar reps, what are you on about? oh i thought it was only when you switch between logis. i use gallente so it doesnt apply to me. and yes caldari triage hives do just under 100 armor per second instead of 70 Well **, if it does 70 what's another 30? Still goes back to the whole clear out the room thing with AOE, and if you can't that 30 extra armor is probably irrelevant. I thought the proto triage nanos were base 50 which is why I thought 100 was outrageous.