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taxi bastard
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:19:00 -
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not sure what the fuss is all about, got the caldari assault on my alt and mini on my main.
although the caldari suit itself does not have great bonuses the regen both time and amount is enough to make me get hard.
how can you not love 433 sheilds with a 3.1 second recharge delay and 52 sheild rep per second on a basic suit? and it just gets better and better per teir. the suit itself is considerably better than the mini assault but the bonus is not as good.
havent used the gallente assault for a long time but having that passive rep imo is a big deal - and from reading the forums quite a few people like the bonus as is is. |
taxi bastard
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:06:00 -
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if everyone is crying for better bonuses.
i would gladly change my mini assault ammo bonus for the passive rep of the gallente or the OP sheilds of the caldari.
i reload after most kills so it really does not do too much for me, so i will change my better bonus for your better suits, deal? |
taxi bastard
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.26 00:07:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:taxi bastard wrote:if everyone is crying for better bonuses.
i would gladly change my mini assault ammo bonus for the passive rep of the gallente or the OP sheilds of the caldari.
i reload after most kills so it really does not do too much for me, so i will change my better bonus for your better suits, deal? Minmitar have the better dual tanking capability then the gallente and Caldari who are pretty much exclusively one or the other. You will feel differently when running a gallente and you get wiped out by armor profile weapons or Caldari when a charged ScR wipes out your only line of defense. If you are dual tanking Caldari instead of putting on regulators then you are using an inferior e/hp buffer suit with slow movement. Amarr and Minmitar just do dual tanking better, which is working as intended if you ask me. The trade off between Amarr and Minmitar is that Amarr have dat high e/hp but abysmal recharge and slow movement. I used to run minmitar before 1.8, and since hotfix charlie's assault fix Minmitar assault got much better. Try not reducing your minmitar movement speed too much while abusing the higher low slot count then Caldari or slapping on a regulator and rechargers. Your goal as minmitar should be to move fast from cover to cover and flank enemies. If I could switch back to minmitar since the heavy and assault rebalance in charlie I would be running minmitar again. They are far better than they were pre-charlie. Speed is king on Winmitar.
i really do not see what relevance any of this has to my statement.
on my alt i play caldari assault and yes i know scramblers are horrid for a pure shield tank, but on the balance of things its a great suit for getting back into the action fully healed ASAP. aslo not dual tanking the suit means you can keep a reasonable speed aswell.
when fitted the mini suit has considerably slower regen both rate and start time but similar speed and EHP this is why i consider it a inferior suit. yes the bonus is better but overall it is inferior. my worry is people always want their suit to be OP and cry until it happens not considering the pro's and cons of the rest of them and just looking at the stand out stat i.e a few more ammo per clip which really is not the blessing most people assume 95% of the time. If you look at the sugestions about how to buff the suits on this post or previous posts you will see that many are simply going to be OP such as extra sheilds per level or reduced movement on the RR when shooting which has the potential to make a strong weapon a ridiculous weapon when combined with the caldari assault.
here was my previos post about the caldari assault
taxi bastard wrote:not sure what the fuss is all about, got the caldari assault on my alt and mini on my main.
although the caldari suit itself does not have great bonuses the regen both time and amount is enough to make me get hard.
how can you not love 433 sheilds with a 3.1 second recharge delay and 52 sheild rep per second on a basic suit? and it just gets better and better per teir. the suit itself is considerably better than the mini assault but the bonus is not as good.
havent used the gallente assault for a long time but having that passive rep imo is a big deal - and from reading the forums quite a few people like the bonus as is is.
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taxi bastard
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.26 02:22:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: I suggested efficiencies for modules based on each suits version of assault. That's why I'm trying to steer it away from weapons as there won't really be a useful rail rifle bonus that matches say the overheating bonus of Amarr without making the RR OP. The shield extender bonus I don't agree with but I think a shield energizer/recharger bonus would work well on Caldari. Like I said my suggestions were already made in the thread.
As to the Caldari being better at dual tanking I simply don't agree. If you stack armor on the Caldari and ignore shield regulators your shields are going to recharge once in a blue moon defeating the purpose of having such a set up. On the other hand Minmitar can more easily balance both their shields and armor better than the Caldari as far as regen goes, because a Caldari with poor regen and lots of e/hp is just an inferior Amarr suit.
I can tell pretty easily that the Minmitar is a better dual tanker because my Caldari adv suit runs like this:
503 shields 197 armor Total 700
Pro: Very quick regen Con: Shield profiled weapons wreck this suit.
My Minmitar Neo Assault I have a few suits on that's only STD not even adv:
371 shields 356 Armor Total 727 with a pretty even split
Pros: Even split on damage profiles, it moves slightly faster (5.04 speed as opposed to 5.00 on my Caldari), has more e/hp and it isn't even adv minmitar. Cons: Slightly less shield regen (It has the base 25 regen as opposed to my Cal assaults 40 regen with its shield recharger)
The minmitar assaults used to be a lot worse by comparison but post charlie they have become much better. Remember although a Caldari can get a high e/hp it has to sacrifice all its regen potential to get that slightly higher e/hp while the Minmitar will have a much smaller penalty in comparison.
You have to consider all the pros and cons when building a suit, that regen on an Extender stacked Cal is useless without a good regulator taking up what little low slots you have, and no armor rep in my opinion is always a bad idea unless you're carrying a triage/compact nanohive, which keeps you from carrying an ammo nanohive with far more ammo resupply.
Edit: Also keep in mind the adv minmitar if fitted with a regulator it will have fast regen like my cal assault while if they drop an extender for an enhanced shield energizer they can end up with 37.5 shield regen compared to my 40 while taking a less hefty shield penalty for the energizer since they have a lower shield total then my Caldari. If built right and in my opinion, the Minmitar makes a far better balanced dual tank assault then the Caldari.
when have i ever said about caldari being a dual tanker? you have confused me besides putting a rep in the lows how can they dual tank?. the fact that you beleive that 15EHP per second (37.5%) is "slightly less regen" worries me also the fact that the regen starts considerably quicker and not finding this a big advantage maybe more and this is all before mods.
my personal basic caldari assault runs as follow
Shield414.43 HP Armor193.75HP eHP[608.18] HP Shield Recharge Rate[52.43] HP/s Shield Recharge Delay[3.08] s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay[3.95] s Armor Repair Rate0HP/s Movement Speed5m/s Strafe Speed4.5m/s Sprint Speed7.35m/s
AR + scramber + flux + compact nanohive
my mini
Shield[377.6] HP Armor[297.25] HP eHP [674.85] HP Shield Recharge Rate25HP/s Shield Recharge Delay[3.69] s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay[5.47] s Armor Repair Rate[3] HP/s Movement Speed[5.25] m/s Strafe Speed [4.72] m/s Sprint Speed [7.71] m/s
CR + scrambler pistol + flux + nano
if you die all the time the min will be better as you can get more EHP, but then why go mini go ammar? if you have a gun game the caldari stats are simply fantastic. for me atleast there is one hands down winner |
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