Like others have said if a sniper has dragged their ass out of the red line and is contributing to the team Ive got no problem with him

But if hes one of those guys hiding in the red line in a fat suit and gets 3 kills on a good day with no risk and then tries to brag about having a 3:1 kdr, well then **** that guy

Can't tell you how much I hate getting sniped while sprinting and cloaked :) It's so ridiculous. I realise the cloak doesn't obscure the direct view on me but you'd think me being 'invisible' would be enough to not show up on the screen of someone 600m away. And since my HP is so low any bodyshot will probably kill me, especially when CalCommandos with dmg mods are sniping my sneaky scout.

Then again, it's all incidental for me. I won't countersnipe them, fair play to them. I don't hate snipers to be honest, it's just the moment that's horrible :p

I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers.

From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers.

1) they sit in the red line
2) they have the least risk and the most gain
3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP
4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe

I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks.

1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC
2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost
3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped.
4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss.

Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.

Can't tell you how much I hate getting sniped while sprinting and cloaked :) It's so ridiculous.

Can't tell you how much I hate getting sniped while sprinting and cloaked :) It's so ridiculous. I realise the cloak doesn't obscure the direct view on me but you'd think me being 'invisible' would be enough to not show up on the screen of someone 600m away. And since my HP is so low any bodyshot will probably kill me, especially when CalCommandos with dmg mods are sniping my sneaky scout.

Then again, it's all incidental for me. I won't countersnipe them, fair play to them. I don't hate snipers to be honest, it's just the moment that's horrible :p

If a solo redline Scout sniper with a Thale's attains 20-30+ kills regularly whilst using a cloak to avoid detection from countersnipers and ADS, would said sniper be considered an asset to his or her team or would he or she still be hated on and considered a scrub?

I'm curious to know. Some might argue that if the sniper is not directly holding an objective and instead is cherry picking easy targets, then he or she is unskilled and is abusing the redline mechanic. However, considering he or she is capable of taking out 1/5 of the opposition, shouldn't praise be given instead?

The opposing team will more than likely have a negative impression of the sniper, but it boggles my mind to know that fellow teammates will also think the same. This is evidenced by players purposely calling in vehicles over the sniper or by placing uplinks and nanohives in the vicinity of where the sniper is perched. I don't understand all this hate.

People hate snipers because of their job; to harass ythe enemy and make them seek cover. Their entire purpose is to be as big a thrown in the enemies side. Psychological warfare and such. Sometimes when people try and hunt down my Thales, I'll send them mails telling them to try again, or search for me in a different area, and other such subtle taunts. It makes them devote more manpower and time into hunting me down to get even, which is that much less manpower holding objectives or killing my team.

If you get hate mail for sniping, it means you're doing your job well.

They need a damage buff and better sniper mechanics. Just make it so you don't have to completely stay in one place. It should drastically reduce the sway, but it should be slightly more versatile.

If a solo redline Scout sniper with a Thale's attains 20-30+ kills regularly whilst using a cloak to avoid detection from countersnipers and ADS, would said sniper be considered an asset to his or her team or would he or she still be hated on and considered a scrub?

I'm curious to know. Some might argue that if the sniper is not directly holding an objective and instead is cherry picking easy targets, then he or she is unskilled and is abusing the redline mechanic. However, considering he or she is capable of taking out 1/5 of the opposition, shouldn't praise be given instead?

The opposing team will more than likely have a negative impression of the sniper, but it boggles my mind to know that fellow teammates will also think the same. This is evidenced by players purposely calling in vehicles over the sniper or by placing uplinks and nanohives in the vicinity of where the sniper is perched. I don't understand all this hate.

It's the Thales use that gathers the most anger - the scope incentivizes players to go farther into the red line negating the ability of other players to engage him/her.

The sniper would be an asset either way, but there's a difference between an asset and an invaluable asset.

That sniper would be an invaluable asset to the team as long as they were choosing targets near allies, objectives, clearing enemy groups or countering enemy snipers and A/V(generally helping the team). If not then unless there was a win by clone count the sniper wasn't very useful(padding the K/D) but still an asset.

It's the Thales use that gathers the most anger - the scope incentivizes players to go farther into the red line negating the ability of other players to engage him/her.

If a solo redline Scout sniper with a Thale's attains 20-30+ kills regularly whilst using a cloak to avoid detection from countersnipers and ADS, would said sniper be considered an asset to his or her team or would he or she still be hated on and considered a scrub?

I'm curious to know. Some might argue that if the sniper is not directly holding an objective and instead is cherry picking easy targets, then he or she is unskilled and is abusing the redline mechanic. However, considering he or she is capable of taking out 1/5 of the opposition, shouldn't praise be given instead?

The opposing team will more than likely have a negative impression of the sniper, but it boggles my mind to know that fellow teammates will also think the same. This is evidenced by players purposely calling in vehicles over the sniper or by placing uplinks and nanohives in the vicinity of where the sniper is perched. I don't understand all this hate.

The issue I have with solo players that resort to sniping at the first sign of trouble is that it brings down the game (in my opinion).

I understand the reasoning, but I wonder how many of the impossible to win matches wouldn't be that way if those solo snipers were instead in squads making efforts to win the match. What I am referring will not be solved by any changes to sniping, I understand that it's a much larger issue. But this is where my hatred comes from.

That would make sence if the thale had a further effective range, but all snipers have the same range reguardless of how much the scope zooms in, and since you say its the zoom on a thales, why not say the same about the TAC sniper, which has a increased zoom compaired to a regular sniper rifle

Even a solo sniper with no squad can still be an asset to the team, as long as that sniper is doing their job, by harassing the enemy, taking out uplinks, taking out hives, and disurpting the red dots movement pattern. A sniper that makes a person not want to run out of a doorway is doing their job my making the red dots think twice about going out that door lol

I get the drop on someone with an SMG at point blank. The moment I down them [ping] I drop dead, 547HP on a scout suit gone in a flash to a Thale's. I was moving fast and unpredictably and was only decloaked for 1 second but the scrub* got me from the other side of the map.

THAT is why people hate snipers. They are a random annoyance, like the server crashing, or getting glitched into a wall. There is no interest or challenge, like there is fighting anything else. I die WAY more to heavies, tanks, etc, but they add to the dynamic of the game, they have strengths and weaknesses. A sniper isn't that, it is an arbitrary intervention from CCP, reminding us of their genius game design that gives the most cowardly players the incredible power of the OHK.

To the sniper - no gungame scrub, git gud

To CCP - gg, no wonder you have such a redhot hit on your hands

[apologies, written while slightly drunk and recovering from high powered railgun headshot]

*And they really were a scrub, they were like 4 kills, 2 deaths from redline Thale's-ing, in a close game.

It's not that it has longer range, it's that it has a longer usable range due to higher magnification.

The reason the tactical sniper isn't an issue is because you don't see it on the kill feed. I see more Thales kills than I see for all of the tactical variants combined.

2) they have the least risk and the most gain

The only thing a sniper has to gain is a high KDR.
ISK accrual should really be a significantly greater motivator. ISK payout is proportional to WP accumulation.
A sniper may get a few EQ destruction points but they're limited to kills and kill assists.

Maybe in the peak on Manus Peak still existed where you could actually have a shot at all 3 points on the map you would have some gain, but most maps lack those centralized locations to have a proper Overwatch position.

Really, KDR is a worthless value in this game.
It's not a measurement of skill. If it were, it would have to be broken down in to hundreds of possible fittings of suit + primary weapon combos.

Snipers are low risk, low reward.

This, on a good match I'll get around 20 kills, maybe some assists for potshotting heavies before they hit my team, and some equipment destruction points.......MAYBE around 150k isk if I'm lucky. From just a pure sniping game, if I break out the av fit on the other hand...well.....that gets a lot larger.

I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers.

From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers.

1) they sit in the red line
2) they have the least risk and the most gain
3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP
4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe

I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks.

1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC
2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost
3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped.
4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss.

Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.

I get the drop on someone with an SMG at point blank. The moment I down them [ping] I drop dead, 547HP on a scout suit gone in a flash to a Thale's. I was moving fast and unpredictably and was only decloaked for 1 second but the scrub* got me from the other side of the map.

THAT is why people hate snipers. They are a random annoyance, like the server crashing, or getting glitched into a wall. There is no interest or challenge, like there is fighting anything else. I die WAY more to heavies, tanks, etc, but they add to the dynamic of the game, they have strengths and weaknesses. A sniper isn't that, it is an arbitrary intervention from CCP, reminding us of their genius game design that gives the most cowardly players the incredible power of the OHK.

To the sniper - no gungame scrub, git gud

To CCP - gg, no wonder you have such a redhot hit on your hands

[apologies, written while slightly drunk and recovering from high powered railgun headshot]

*And they really were a scrub, they were like 4 kills, 2 deaths from redline Thale's-ing, in a close game.

I get the drop on someone with an SMG at point blank. The moment I down them [ping] I drop dead, 547HP on a scout suit gone in a flash to a Thale's. I was moving fast and unpredictably and was only decloaked for 1 second but the scrub* got me from the other side of the map.

THAT is why people hate snipers. They are a random annoyance, like the server crashing, or getting glitched into a wall. There is no interest or challenge, like there is fighting anything else. I die WAY more to heavies, tanks, etc, but they add to the dynamic of the game, they have strengths and weaknesses. A sniper isn't that, it is an arbitrary intervention from CCP, reminding us of their genius game design that gives the most cowardly players the incredible power of the OHK.

To the sniper - no gungame scrub, git gud

To CCP - gg, no wonder you have such a redhot hit on your hands

[apologies, written while slightly drunk and recovering from high powered railgun headshot]

*And they really were a scrub, they were like 4 kills, 2 deaths from redline Thale's-ing, in a close game.

I hated snipers and become one of them. I have over 100 Thales, so it's a pity not to use it

I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers.

From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers.

1) they sit in the red line
2) they have the least risk and the most gain
3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP
4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe

I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks.

1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC
2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost
3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped.
4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss.

Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.

I smell pu$$y. Is that you Thale?

I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers.

From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers.

1) they sit in the red line
2) they have the least risk and the most gain
3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP
4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe

I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks.

1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC
2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost
3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped.
4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss.

Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.

They need a damage buff and better sniper mechanics. Just make it so you don't have to completely stay in one place. It should drastically reduce the sway, but it should be slightly more versatile.

You're hilarious.

Most people after they kill someone.. run towards the corpse of the player they killed.

It took me a little while to figure this out, but it's true. Hell some idiots even stand still for a second to reload.

I highly doubt you were jumping around trying to dodge a sniper you didn't even know existed.

You traded max hp for.. hitbox, mobility, invisibility, speed. You are the next closest thing to a militia suit.

Just because you have all of that going for you doesn't perclude you from death.

You were killed by the officer sniper rifle. This is an outlier. You have enough ehp to survive a charge sniper rifle just fine.

In the end, how do you make a sniper rifle better than it's standard variant? Make it more lethal.

It took 1 shot to kill you instead of 1.3 shots..

Get over it.