2) they have the least risk and the most gain

The only thing a sniper has to gain is a high KDR.
ISK accrual should really be a significantly greater motivator. ISK payout is proportional to WP accumulation.
A sniper may get a few EQ destruction points but they're limited to kills and kill assists.

Maybe in the peak on Manus Peak still existed where you could actually have a shot at all 3 points on the map you would have some gain, but most maps lack those centralized locations to have a proper Overwatch position.

Really, KDR is a worthless value in this game.
It's not a measurement of skill. If it were, it would have to be broken down in to hundreds of possible fittings of suit + primary weapon combos.

Snipers are low risk, low reward.

This, on a good match I'll get around 20 kills, maybe some assists for potshotting heavies before they hit my team, and some equipment destruction points.......MAYBE around 150k isk if I'm lucky. From just a pure sniping game, if I break out the av fit on the other hand...well.....that gets a lot larger.

I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers.

From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers.

1) they sit in the red line
2) they have the least risk and the most gain
3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP
4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe

I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks.

1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC
2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost
3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped.
4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss.

Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.

I get the drop on someone with an SMG at point blank. The moment I down them [ping] I drop dead, 547HP on a scout suit gone in a flash to a Thale's. I was moving fast and unpredictably and was only decloaked for 1 second but the scrub* got me from the other side of the map.

THAT is why people hate snipers. They are a random annoyance, like the server crashing, or getting glitched into a wall. There is no interest or challenge, like there is fighting anything else. I die WAY more to heavies, tanks, etc, but they add to the dynamic of the game, they have strengths and weaknesses. A sniper isn't that, it is an arbitrary intervention from CCP, reminding us of their genius game design that gives the most cowardly players the incredible power of the OHK.

To the sniper - no gungame scrub, git gud

To CCP - gg, no wonder you have such a redhot hit on your hands

[apologies, written while slightly drunk and recovering from high powered railgun headshot]

*And they really were a scrub, they were like 4 kills, 2 deaths from redline Thale's-ing, in a close game.

I get the drop on someone with an SMG at point blank. The moment I down them [ping] I drop dead, 547HP on a scout suit gone in a flash to a Thale's. I was moving fast and unpredictably and was only decloaked for 1 second but the scrub* got me from the other side of the map.

THAT is why people hate snipers. They are a random annoyance, like the server crashing, or getting glitched into a wall. There is no interest or challenge, like there is fighting anything else. I die WAY more to heavies, tanks, etc, but they add to the dynamic of the game, they have strengths and weaknesses. A sniper isn't that, it is an arbitrary intervention from CCP, reminding us of their genius game design that gives the most cowardly players the incredible power of the OHK.

To the sniper - no gungame scrub, git gud

To CCP - gg, no wonder you have such a redhot hit on your hands

[apologies, written while slightly drunk and recovering from high powered railgun headshot]

*And they really were a scrub, they were like 4 kills, 2 deaths from redline Thale's-ing, in a close game.

I hated snipers and become one of them. I have over 100 Thales, so it's a pity not to use it

I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers.

From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers.

1) they sit in the red line
2) they have the least risk and the most gain
3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP
4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe

I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks.

1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC
2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost
3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped.
4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss.

Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.

I smell pu$$y. Is that you Thale?

I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers.

From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers.

1) they sit in the red line
2) they have the least risk and the most gain
3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP
4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe

I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks.

1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC
2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost
3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped.
4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss.

Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.

They need a damage buff and better sniper mechanics. Just make it so you don't have to completely stay in one place. It should drastically reduce the sway, but it should be slightly more versatile.

You're hilarious.

Most people after they kill someone.. run towards the corpse of the player they killed.

It took me a little while to figure this out, but it's true. Hell some idiots even stand still for a second to reload.

I highly doubt you were jumping around trying to dodge a sniper you didn't even know existed.

You traded max hp for.. hitbox, mobility, invisibility, speed. You are the next closest thing to a militia suit.

Just because you have all of that going for you doesn't perclude you from death.

You were killed by the officer sniper rifle. This is an outlier. You have enough ehp to survive a charge sniper rifle just fine.

In the end, how do you make a sniper rifle better than it's standard variant? Make it more lethal.

It took 1 shot to kill you instead of 1.3 shots..

Get over it.