DUST Search - Snipers and why everyone hates on them.

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

I get the drop on someone with an SMG at point blank. The moment I down them [ping] I drop dead, 547HP on a scout suit gone in a flash to a Thale's. I was moving fast and unpredictably and was only decloaked for 1 second but the scrub* got me from the other side of the map.

THAT is why people hate snipers. They are a random annoyance, like the server crashing, or getting glitched into a wall. There is no interest or challenge, like there is fighting anything else. I die WAY more to heavies, tanks, etc, but they add to the dynamic of the game, they have strengths and weaknesses. A sniper isn't that, it is an arbitrary intervention from CCP, reminding us of their genius game design that gives the most cowardly players the incredible power of the OHK.

To the sniper - no gungame scrub, git gud

To CCP - gg, no wonder you have such a redhot hit on your hands

[apologies, written while slightly drunk and recovering from high powered railgun headshot]

*And they really were a scrub, they were like 4 kills, 2 deaths from redline Thale's-ing, in a close game.


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843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 239	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:17:00 - [1] - Quote I recently made a thread asking why the Thale sniper rifle had its scope zoom cut down and it quickly turned into everyone talking about why people qq about snipers and hate on them so much. So i decided to start a thread trying to get INFORMED opinions about why everyone loves to hate on snipers. From what i seen this is the general opinion about snipers. 1) they sit in the red line 2) they have the least risk and the most gain 3) when they use sentinel or commando suits they have huge eHP 4) when teams are getting proto stomped everyone starts to snipe I can see what a few reasons why people would want to qq about sniping just from those 4 things alone, but there are fact about sniper rifles that everyone over looks. 1) all sniper rifles have a 600m effective range, on a few maps that is lower then the distance from 1 MCC to the other MCC 2) with the amount of snipers and ADS in the game no sniper is safe anywhere, i have been killed by ADS that use after burners for the speed boost 3) i'm pretty sure everyone knows that the Cal Commando drop suit give a damage bonus to them so it's to be expected, and sentinels are just people that just look for the most eHP so they don't get counter sniped. 4) when you are in a match that it's close to impossible to win most people will look for ways to stay in the fight but generate less of a isk loss. Sinpers have been hated on by people even worst then people ever hated on tankers, and for no good reasons, the gun have the longest range in the game so why can't people use them that way without everyone whine and cray and qq about it. If the sniper rifle has a range of 600m then let people enjoy that range without having to hear how much of a "scrub" they are for using them. Sniper rifles take the exact same amount of sp to get as every other weapon in the game.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 245	Posted - 2014.08.20 21:23:00 - [2] - Quote bump
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 246	Posted - 2014.08.20 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Like others have said if a sniper has dragged their ass out of the red line and is contributing to the team Ive got no problem with him But if hes one of those guys hiding in the red line in a fat suit and gets 3 kills on a good day with no risk and then tries to brag about having a 3:1 kdr, well then **** that guy I agree but what about the maps where the mcc is less then 300m from the objectives? then to use with in there range they are forced to be in the red line.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 247	Posted - 2014.08.21 17:18:00 - [4] - Quote Stile451 wrote: It's the Thales use that gathers the most anger - the scope incentivizes players to go farther into the red line negating the ability of other players to engage him/her. That would make sence if the thale had a further effective range, but all snipers have the same range reguardless of how much the scope zooms in, and since you say its the zoom on a thales, why not say the same about the TAC sniper, which has a increased zoom compaired to a regular sniper rifle
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 247	Posted - 2014.08.21 17:38:00 - [5] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The issue I have with solo players that resort to sniping at the first sign of trouble is that it brings down the game (in my opinion). I understand the reasoning, but I wonder how many of the impossible to win matches wouldn't be that way if those solo snipers were instead in squads making efforts to win the match. What I am referring will not be solved by any changes to sniping, I understand that it's a much larger issue. But this is where my hatred comes from. Even a solo sniper with no squad can still be an asset to the team, as long as that sniper is doing their job, by harassing the enemy, taking out uplinks, taking out hives, and disurpting the red dots movement pattern. A sniper that makes a person not want to run out of a doorway is doing their job my making the red dots think twice about going out that door lol
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 248	Posted - 2014.08.21 19:56:00 - [6] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I get the drop on someone with an SMG at point blank. The moment I down them [ping] I drop dead, 547HP on a scout suit gone in a flash to a Thale's. I was moving fast and unpredictably and was only decloaked for 1 second but the scrub* got me from the other side of the map. THAT is why people hate snipers. They are a random annoyance, like the server crashing, or getting glitched into a wall. There is no interest or challenge, like there is fighting anything else. I die WAY more to heavies, tanks, etc, but they add to the dynamic of the game, they have strengths and weaknesses. A sniper isn't that, it is an arbitrary intervention from CCP, reminding us of their genius game design that gives the most cowardly players the incredible power of the OHK. To the sniper - no gungame scrub, git gud To CCP - gg, no wonder you have such a redhot hit on your hands [apologies, written while slightly drunk and recovering from high powered railgun headshot] *And they really were a scrub, they were like 4 kills, 2 deaths from redline Thale's-ing, in a close game. First off an HP stacked scout is at the top of scrub status. They fall in the same scrub status as the FoTM chasers, which an hp stacked scout usually is. You can't say a sniper is a scrub because he only got 4 kills, because no every map is sniper friendly. If a sniper is being an annoyance, then they are doing there job properly.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 248	Posted - 2014.08.21 19:58:00 - [7] - Quote Stile451 wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Stile451 wrote: It's the Thales use that gathers the most anger - the scope incentivizes players to go farther into the red line negating the ability of other players to engage him/her. That would make sence if the thale had a further effective range, but all snipers have the same range reguardless of how much the scope zooms in, and since you say its the zoom on a thales, why not say the same about the TAC sniper, which has a increased zoom compaired to a regular sniper rifle It's not that it has longer range, it's that it has a longer usable range due to higher magnification. The reason the tactical sniper isn't an issue is because you don't see it on the kill feed. I see more Thales kills than I see for all of the tactical variants combined. The thale was the only sniper rifle that had a scope that was actually effective on the battle field because of how good the zoom was, now if ccp had added variable scope then most people would not go straight for the thale.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 249	Posted - 2014.08.22 16:42:00 - [8] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: I smell pu$$y. Is that you Thale? Must be your upper lip that you smell, and seeing as you have 0 constructive input to this topic, you can have a nice day some where else cause this is a no troll section.