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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3959	Posted - 2014.08.17 15:43:00 - [1] - Quote Bringing old vehicles back into the game. You might doesnt work that long for CCP so you maybe dont know about those vehicles but i give you a rundown what was allready in the game but got removed for "rebalance purpose". HAV's: -Enfrocers: Caldari: Falchion, Gallente: Vurya (not sure on the name) They where HAV's with less tanking capability but had more firepower and range. -Marauders: Caldari: Sagaris Gallente: Surya Those tanks had the highest tanking and firepower in the whole game but have beeing removed and replaced with enforcers. -Black ops tanks: Caldari: Chakram gallente: Kubera These tanks came with a mobile CRU inbuilt and had the highest agility of all tanks but got removed aswell for "rebalancing". -Logistic dropships: Caldari: Eryx Gallente: prometheus These dropships had a inbuild CRU and a bit better tanking over regular dropships. -Logistic LAV's: Caldari: Charybdis gallente: Limbus Each came with a inbuild infantry support module which required lock on and could either heal SHIELDS or armor on dropsuits. Additionally they had exceptional tanking and with remote modules they could support tanks. -Scout LAV's: They where supposed to be quicker then regular LAV's but very fragile which made them unpopular. Rattati you have such a big chunk of vehicle variety right there infront of your nose. All you need to do is take them, give the vehicles skill bonuses and BAM you created new game content out of thin air. For example rebrand scout LAV's into assault LAV's which have the same skill bonus as dropships. Hell you could go creative cause all those vehicles have no purpose. Or you could bring back logi dropships, strip the guns off but give it quite high tanking options to be a true troop transporter. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
pagl1u M Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 947	Posted - 2014.08.17 15:47:00 - [2] - Quote +1, but obviously CCP will have to balance them. We dont want another killertaxiage! Minmatar loyalist!

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 5393	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:58:00 - [3] - Quote Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 83	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:10:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute When logi lavs used to exist the only major issue was accel..A logi lav should have higher tier hp in order to be effective. in short logi lavs should have a slightly lower than standard top speed but a greatly reduced accel ..The original llavs would have been ok with a speed nerf no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 343	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:25:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute CCP have dreams too Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 180	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:14:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute yes please in the name of saberwing bring them back, i promise to quit jihading just bring them back "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9088	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:24:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute I actually recall wanting to one day specialize into the Limbus (LLAV) but then it got removed later on and dashed my hopes. I play as a L5 Logi pilot with my Oneiros in Eve Online when running Incursions. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 31	Posted - 2014.08.18 01:30:00 - [8] - Quote The Gallente Enforcer tank was the Vayu, the Gallente scout LAV was the Abron, andI think the Caldari scout LAV is the Callisto. I miss my Abron. The only ones I ever really lost were the ones stolen by the blues who took them for joyrides. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12931	Posted - 2014.08.18 01:57:00 - [9] - Quote Promising....but I would believe it until I see it. I've been hurt too many times. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2611	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:02:00 - [10] - Quote Bring these back Dust 514 is for alternate player consciousnesses only

Tectonic Fusion 2012	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Not walking speed...but just enough no not 1HKO when going full speed.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7301	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:46:00 - [12] - Quote Want a Logi LAV module that resupplies as well as heals. we have mobile clone bays, why not an ammo module for infantry? But yes old vehicles would be a god send but also....wait for it.....respec. yep... Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1292	Posted - 2014.08.18 03:35:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute Loving these ideas. Especially the Logi DS. I really want to just ferry people around. My only concern is the lack of communication between infantry and the pilot. The LLAV sounds perfect. as mentioned by others the problem was the thing was always too fast and outpaced the infantry they were trying to support and end up breaking the lock (and having to wait for the interminably long cooldown). My only concern there is the lack of protection for the driver. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
Grimmiers 653	Posted - 2014.08.18 11:56:00 - [14] - Quote I want assault lavs to to have a faster rof or a built in damage mod that's stronger than a standalone module scout lavs to have a built in scanner with either more range or precision logi lav that has a module that basically turns it into a mobile nanohive. It would also be nice to have a turret that heals targets.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 1010	Posted - 2014.08.18 12:03:00 - [15] - Quote I don't remember which vehicle it was but this thread just sparked a memory of invincible LAVs. They were harder to kill than tanks shudders at the memory Knights of Ender Director Logi 4 Life \| Youtube Vids
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1430	Posted - 2014.08.18 12:30:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute Good ideas. I say, If you guys brought back actual LOGISTICS vehicles, that would make me play again tomorrow! I sorely miss being able to repair infantry and other tanks. Yes murder taxis were too much but if you are considering a speed reduction for increased support and defensive capabilities - at least for the Logi LAV - hell yes I think the community can get behind that :) -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 389	Posted - 2014.08.18 13:17:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute I like your ideas Rattati. The only thing that concerns me is your LLAV movement speed. I understand this is to prevent murder taxis with large eHP but with such a slow speed it will be a sitting duck, and left behind if the troops decide to sprint. It should still be fast enough to act as a transport, so it can ferry infantry to where they (or it) needs to be. Can't provide logistics if your team are dead before you get there. Maybe slower acceleration, lower top speed (not sure on a fair number here) and handling like a slug. Making it much easier for infantry to get out the way, while being fast enough to change locations.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 995	Posted - 2014.08.18 14:32:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute I'm going to restrain myself here... Yes,walking speed doesn't sound like a dumb idea at all especially for a LIGHT armor vehicle. Even though LAVs are chosen for speed over tank. And ya know,unlike HAVs,the driver would be easy fodder for absolutely anyone breathing in their direction. But who cares? Amirite? It's only logistics,it's not important. Sure,make the drivers easily killable,you'll see 0 being used unless people are bored. I was going to spec into LLAVS before they were removed,but if you actually decide to go through with your whimsical idea,i'll avoid them like the plague. Easily killed suit + insane costs + Easily killed driver + insane costs = Total desire to play as? 0 I do like the LDS idea though. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2611	Posted - 2014.08.18 14:38:00 - [19] - Quote With the logi dropships, we should also introduce points for mobile cru spawns And lets not forget all the moduels we used to have... ALL OF THEM. Vehicle play should be complex with very deep customizations, Also we need to reintroduce the 1.6 shield boosters, Or at least fix our current boosters. As it stands right now if we are being hit by AV or turrets or boosters poop on us. *Bring These Back*
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 750	Posted - 2014.08.18 15:27:00 - [20] - Quote i dont want my logi dropships to have no turret hardpoints, dont take the guns off of logi dropships.

Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5794	Posted - 2014.08.18 17:09:00 - [21] - Quote The scout LAVs were the Abron (Gal) and Calisto (?) (Cal) Max speed was the same as other LAVs, but way more torque- blew hills away. The turrets also got a bonus to tracking speed. Thing is, everything else on them was the same as militia LAVs. The gallente enforcer was called the Vaiyu, or something along the lines, btw. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5794	Posted - 2014.08.18 17:12:00 - [22] - Quote Btw, the reps on logi LAVs were super ****** (difficult to lock on, super easy to break the lock, super long cooldown), and they just plain weren't there in chromosome. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2612	Posted - 2014.08.18 18:34:00 - [23] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: i dont want my logi dropships to have no turret hardpoints, dont take the guns off of logi dropships. Yes, Just by using turrets we sacrifice very precious tank or equipment (We need remote reps back) Besides repairing vehicles, mobile spawns, and scanners, What are we going to do, Become free flying wp? No, We get blueberries or squadmates and we attempt to lay down suppressive fire. Logi dropships are fine with turrets Bring These Back Tanker Turned Ads Pilot
james jared The Phoenix Federation Dark Taboo 17	Posted - 2014.08.18 19:22:00 - [24] - Quote Wow if ccp actually put these back in the game I would s*** bricks. It would be the best thing to make ppl wanna play agen.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 997	Posted - 2014.08.19 01:36:00 - [25] - Quote A simple balance for LLAVS.. Give decent tank + regen (Built in reps for armor) + speed. Then lock all the slots to equipment and ewar mods. Since the tank + speed + regen are decent (you can survive with them). LLAVS could focus on support,and (literally) be forced to excell at it. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7305	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:13:00 - [26] - Quote They made Logistics vehicles do either 25% or 50% less damage to small turrets back then. Lucent Echelon -The Brightest Ranks Gallente Faction Warfare Chanel
Deathonswift UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 23	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:47:00 - [27] - Quote My alts and I support this. Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 68	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:58:00 - [28] - Quote I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Siege Mode for Enforcers/Marauders. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
VALCORE72 Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 208	Posted - 2014.08.19 07:20:00 - [29] - Quote logie lav ....... buildt in crew 7 secs .. logie drop ship . same but would have nooooo front gun but 2 guns per side ...... BOTH should have slow take off and turning it should feel like a shool bus . slots very limited . its there abilities that should draw ppl not how best to exploit it.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 569	Posted - 2014.08.19 07:39:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks, I do remember them because I have played since pre-Alpha, even if I wasn't working directly on Dust until recently. This is definitely something we are interested in, and the plan was always to bring them back piecemeal, and balanced. My personal preferences would be some of these playstyles, regardless of the old roles. Real glass cannons - Artillery with massive Alpha damage, tiny ehp, line three of them up and instapop with teamwork Super slow heavy tanks - Pershing or King Tiger Slow moving LLAVs with more ehp to support infanfry, not zip around and murder infantry, im thinking walking speed. Non weapon logistics dropships with more ehp, maybe fixed small blasters as in infantry dropoff support - Hueys I'm just having some fun with this, jetlagged at 6 am, not slept a minute walkign speed is Potato.. they will get RE'd and swarmed/PLCed to hell if not bent over by tanks [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah



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