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Hawkin P
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:43:00 -
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So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) |
Vapor Forseti
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1258
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:46:00 -
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I do respect Caldari scouts, yes.
I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
1372
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:55:00 -
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http://youtu.be/6FOUqQt3Kg0
Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
440
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:56:00 -
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I have no respect for Cal scouts, sorry. |
Shooter Somewhere
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:57:00 -
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I have 22mil SP in tanks and they are useless outside of PC. Can I have a respect to please? I wanna be a proto stomper to :D
HEADSHOT! HEADSHOT!! HEADSHOT!!! HEADSHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=earCbU6vgAo
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Stryker Syx Vector
D3ATH CARD
3
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:59:00 -
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I've noticed that gallente heavies don't complain about a respec even though their entire slot layout has changed. |
Bazookah Tooth
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:02:00 -
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Stryker Syx Vector wrote:I've noticed that gallente heavies don't complain about a respec even though their entire slot layout has changed.
Lol I specced into proto gal sentinel and stopped using it prior to 1.8. Now I have a proto Amarr suit layout that I didn't even have to work for. Thanks CCP ! 
"I believe it's a sin not to rule the world if you've been blessed with the strength!"
Justice
HMG for life
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Stryker Syx Vector
D3ATH CARD
3
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:03:00 -
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Bazookah Tooth wrote:Stryker Syx Vector wrote:I've noticed that gallente heavies don't complain about a respec even though their entire slot layout has changed. Lol I specced into proto gal and stopped using it prior to 1.8. Now I have a proto Amarr suit layout that I didn't even have to work for. Thanks CCP !
See lol. No complaining |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
117
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:06:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.)
We tried Hawkin: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171473. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
195
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:14:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.)
Sounds more like a FoTM chaser looking to get a respec just to get the next FoTM.
Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released.
Stop whining about lost SP and just play the game because with the amount of skills in the game, we were never supposed get any respecs after uprising was released ( back then CCP declared that there were no respecs intended, but since they added stuff to the game they were nice enough to respec just the weapons and drop suits when they were added ) so if you want to change your drop suit, save up more sp and the get your new suit. |
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
General Tso's Alliance
454
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:16:00 -
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Amarr needed a Bonus to Melee damage per level. Caldari scout does not have enough lows to take advantage of the stealth bonus.
The Amarr with that extra stamina could grab onto a mimitar slave and literal beat the clone stuffing out of him.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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RECON BY FIRE
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
433
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:18:00 -
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Awwwwwwe, you poor widdle baby. Stop whining, the cal scout is still one of the best suits in the game. Good health, great regen, and can still get pretty good scans with its range bonus. Youll just have to.... wait for it..... wait for it..... use precision modules to do it now! What a ******* concept!
Stuff....?
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5127
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:57:00 -
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Iv enjoyed farming the ones who have forgotten that they now have to actually use awareness and be observant now.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5127
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:58:00 -
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RECON BY FIRE wrote:Awwwwwwe, you poor widdle baby. Stop whining, the cal scout is still one of the best suits in the game. Good health, great regen, and can still get pretty good scans with its range bonus. Youll just have to.... wait for it..... wait for it..... use precision modules to do it now! What a ******* concept!
Ah blad, that is like, so unfair ya na.
Now manz gotta be like next man innit fam, you get me?.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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Dust User
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
451
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:15:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.)
Should have just went Minmatar to begin with. |
Frank Byers
Murphys-Law
1
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:16:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171985&find=unread
Space, the final frontier.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
349
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:16:00 -
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Hate to break it to you Hawk but CCP has made changes like that in EVE without respecs before.
The only respec I can remember wasn't even a respec, it was a 'returning of SP' when the learning skills were removed. Even now, the bast you can do is adjust your attributes to train certain things faster.
I'm still of the "No respecs ever" school of thought. They didn't take your mustang and turn it into a fiesta, they took your V8 and put a governor on it.
If I started to list all the ship changes that have completely altered my ships in EVE, I'd hit the character limit. Which currently stands at, 5394....
No, 5380
wait, 5364 |
calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
2131
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:17:00 -
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As long as I have been here I have been promised, fighter jets, hover bikes, and all racial weapons and suits. So dont hold your breath . CCP has changed so much and has rarely refunded anything, so I hate to tell you this but its not going to happen. The only thing to do is try and have fun before they turn off the lights for a game that might be developed called legion.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
727
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:20:00 -
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Once you go calscout, you're stuck with it like gout.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3990
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:23:00 -
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Sure I'd like to spec out of my Amarr scout.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3186
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:24:00 -
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All or none. Including vehicles.. Sorry this isn't scout 514.
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1955
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:27:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.)
Welcome to CCP... If IWS can get elected again lol then anything is possible... They changed the Role of Caldari completely and then some more lol... From a scout hunter i became a Tanked scout... Good for me in a way, cause i can play the "Solo selfish role again" lol
Forget about Respec, a simple "Sorry we changed our mind, because that's how we thought we can fix scouts, HTFU" would be nice too...
At least the cal scout is usable... Think about all those Gal Heavies... |
Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:32:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) Sounds more like a FoTM chaser looking to get a respec just to get the next FoTM. Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released. Stop whining about lost SP and just play the game because with the amount of skills in the game, we were never supposed get any respecs after uprising was released ( back then CCP declared that there were no respecs intended, but since they added stuff to the game they were nice enough to respec just the weapons and drop suits when they were added ) so if you want to change your drop suit, save up more sp and the get your new suit.
Man, how the hell is he a FOTM chaser. He skilled into something for the bonuses of the suit and now the bonuses have been changed. His reason for skilling intot he suit is gone. That same bonus is now on another suit so it makes perfect sense that he'd want that instead. If precision was swtiched over to minmatar then he'd be asking for that one instead. He's not a FOTM chaser he is just trying to keep his play style (that he spent weeks making) in tact. |
Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:35:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:[quote=Hawkin P]So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.)
"Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released."
And what is this bs? So every player that goes into a new suit is automatically a FOTM chaser? No1 can choose it because they like it anymore huh? Basically if you weren't a scout at the start you can never in your life be a scout without being down for chasing an op suit. |
Frank Byers
Murphys-Law
2
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:37:00 -
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The Caldari scout is based on the bonus of scan precision.
With CCP trying to rebalance everything in Hotfix Charlie,
they definitely made the Caldari scout the most worthless fragile piece of crap suit in the game.
They wasn't thinking, they was just doing what can to make all the sore vaginas from overpropulsing.
The Caldari scout will soon be the hunter killer again after all the sore vaginas are done overpropulsing.
Space, the final frontier.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
196
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:37:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) Sounds more like a FoTM chaser looking to get a respec just to get the next FoTM. Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released. Stop whining about lost SP and just play the game because with the amount of skills in the game, we were never supposed get any respecs after uprising was released ( back then CCP declared that there were no respecs intended, but since they added stuff to the game they were nice enough to respec just the weapons and drop suits when they were added ) so if you want to change your drop suit, save up more sp and the get your new suit. Man, how the hell is he a FOTM chaser. He skilled into something for the bonuses of the suit and now the bonuses have been changed. His reason for skilling intot he suit is gone. That same bonus is now on another suit so it makes perfect sense that he'd want that instead. If precision was swtiched over to minmatar then he'd be asking for that one instead. He's not a FOTM chaser he is just trying to keep his play style (that he spent weeks making) in tact.
Quite simple, he wan't a scout until scouts got good, and then he chose to most op scout suit of them all, and that my friiend is a FoTM chaser in all aspects. |
TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5128
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:38:00 -
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Some people clearly haven't played long enough to spot the obvious fotm.
I knew right off the bat that it was headed for a nerf, its just obvious and shame on anyone who has played for at least a year and a half and not spotted this.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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Glitch116
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
136
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:40:00 -
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no the cal suit is fine with the right number of percision enhancers you can still get a nice low scan on top of great range means the cal scout is still a strong ewar platform
plus that damp bonus now makes the few damps i can fit on it SO much better
I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!!
deal with it
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5128
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:43:00 -
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Beastlina - created 2014.06.18 10.15 to this day.
Ignore.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5128
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:44:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:no the cal suit is fine with the right number of percision enhancers you can still get a nice low scan on top of great range means the cal scout is still a strong ewar platform
plus that damp bonus now makes the few damps i can fit on it SO much better
Precisely, pun intended lol.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3025
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:48:00 -
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Vapor Forseti wrote:I do respect Caldari scouts, yes.
I don't.
Filthy, corporate dogs. |
Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
174
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:50:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.)
A real scout can make the Cal work better than before. Precision and now range and dampening make it better than it was before. You should stop your crying and adapt. Do you even have all your EWAR modules lvl 5? |
Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:57:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Beastlina - created 2014.06.18 10.15 to this day.
Ignore.
Do you know what an alt is? |
Cody Sietz
Evzones
3840
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Posted - 2014.08.15 16:59:00 -
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Should have spoke out when they changed the Gallente scout as well.
Sorry, your only the most recent change.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1955
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:17:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) Sounds more like a FoTM chaser looking to get a respec just to get the next FoTM. Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released. Stop whining about lost SP and just play the game because with the amount of skills in the game, we were never supposed get any respecs after uprising was released ( back then CCP declared that there were no respecs intended, but since they added stuff to the game they were nice enough to respec just the weapons and drop suits when they were added ) so if you want to change your drop suit, save up more sp and the get your new suit. Man, how the hell is he a FOTM chaser. He skilled into something for the bonuses of the suit and now the bonuses have been changed. His reason for skilling intot he suit is gone. That same bonus is now on another suit so it makes perfect sense that he'd want that instead. If precision was swtiched over to minmatar then he'd be asking for that one instead. He's not a FOTM chaser he is just trying to keep his play style (that he spent weeks making) in tact. Quite simple, he wan't a scout until scouts got good, and then he chose to most op scout suit of them all, and that my friiend is a FoTM chaser in all aspects.
^ to that stupidity
He probably didn't have a enough SP to go to a second or may be third suit.... If he had to be a FOTM chaser, he would've gone for a Brick tanked Gal scout with a Shotty... He chose be the Hunter... He read the labels unlike other geniuses here and went for a different suit in Day # 1 when everyone else with SP went for Gal scouts... Most people who went to Gal scouts straight, didn't read the label, they read the forums... LOL |
iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
153
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:18:00 -
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i'm a cal scout and if you read any other thread pertaining to this issue you know why i became cal scout
The changes to my role screwed my fitting options leaving my only viable fitting being pure ewar(don't have enough low slots to run a good ehp fit) and here is why even that got screwed
To compete with the gal scout i have to sacrifice all 4 of my highs for complex precision(where my hp goes) just to see a gal scout with 2 complex dampeners(leaving them with two lows to tank) if they use 3 dampeners i cannot see them ever while they can see me
An amarr scout can see me with 2 complex precision enhancor and can hide from me with 4 complex dampeners(can never see then)
the min was never in the race to begin with(poor little knifers)
so bottom line my only viable fitting(ewar) can be beaten by both amarr and gallente IS THAT BALANCE I THINK F'N NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
117
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:26:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:no the cal suit is fine with the right number of percision enhancers you can still get a nice low scan on top of great range means the cal scout is still a strong ewar platform
plus that damp bonus now makes the few damps i can fit on it SO much better
You can fit a 'few' damps on Cal scout? Last I checked it only has 2 lows. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
117
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:30:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:i'm a cal scout and if you read any other thread pertaining to this issue you know why i became cal scout
The changes to my role screwed my fitting options leaving my only viable fitting being pure ewar(don't have enough low slots to run a good ehp fit) and here is why even that got screwed
To compete with the gal scout i have to sacrifice all 4 of my highs for complex precision(where my hp goes) just to see a gal scout with 2 complex dampeners(leaving them with two lows to tank) if they use 3 dampeners i cannot see them ever while they can see me
An amarr scout can see me with 2 complex precision enhancor and can hide from me with 4 complex dampeners(can never see then)
the min was never in the race to begin with(poor little knifers)
so bottom line my only viable fitting(ewar) can be beaten by both amarr and gallente IS THAT BALANCE I THINK F'N NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agree with what you say. Though, I should note, with four complex prec high, you cannot see a Gal Scout with only ONE complex damp. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1296
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:33:00 -
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FYI, the OP is mostly a tanker. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
198
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:39:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:843-Vika wrote:Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:Hawkin P wrote:So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) Sounds more like a FoTM chaser looking to get a respec just to get the next FoTM. Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released. Stop whining about lost SP and just play the game because with the amount of skills in the game, we were never supposed get any respecs after uprising was released ( back then CCP declared that there were no respecs intended, but since they added stuff to the game they were nice enough to respec just the weapons and drop suits when they were added ) so if you want to change your drop suit, save up more sp and the get your new suit. Man, how the hell is he a FOTM chaser. He skilled into something for the bonuses of the suit and now the bonuses have been changed. His reason for skilling intot he suit is gone. That same bonus is now on another suit so it makes perfect sense that he'd want that instead. If precision was swtiched over to minmatar then he'd be asking for that one instead. He's not a FOTM chaser he is just trying to keep his play style (that he spent weeks making) in tact. Quite simple, he wan't a scout until scouts got good, and then he chose to most op scout suit of them all, and that my friiend is a FoTM chaser in all aspects. ^ to that stupidity He probably didn't have a enough SP to go to a second or may be third suit.... If he had to be a FOTM chaser, he would've gone for a Brick tanked Gal scout with a Shotty... He chose be the Hunter... He read the labels unlike other geniuses here and went for a different suit in Day # 1 when everyone else with SP went for Gal scouts... Most people who went to Gal scouts straight, didn't read the label, they read the forums... LOL
But you see the FoTM for scouts was the cal scout and everyone who is smart knows that, the brick tanked scouts had no chance because of cal scout being able to see everything on the map and being able to cloak as well.
The fact that a cal cout could see everything and their mother at once made them much more a FoTM then the gal scout, just because of the draw backs of being a slow moving bricked out scout vs a fast as hell scout that can see the world |
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1957
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:41:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:i'm a cal scout and if you read any other thread pertaining to this issue you know why i became cal scout
The changes to my role screwed my fitting options leaving my only viable fitting being pure ewar(don't have enough low slots to run a good ehp fit) and here is why even that got screwed
To compete with the gal scout i have to sacrifice all 4 of my highs for complex precision(where my hp goes) just to see a gal scout with 2 complex dampeners(leaving them with two lows to tank) if they use 3 dampeners i cannot see them ever while they can see me
An amarr scout can see me with 2 complex precision enhancor and can hide from me with 4 complex dampeners(can never see then)
the min was never in the race to begin with(poor little knifers)
so bottom line my only viable fitting(ewar) can be beaten by both amarr and gallente IS THAT BALANCE I THINK F'N NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said... But people will try to justify it by saying : FOTM chaser and what not...
I have enough SP to get whatever... BUt i call BS when i see it |
Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:45:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Beastlina - created 2014.06.18 10.15 to this day.
Ignore. Do you know what an alt is?
What's an alt?
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:46:00 -
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PROTIP: Just have all proto scouts, then no one can complain you're a FoTM Chaser. You're just a Role Enthusiast then.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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zzZaXxx
The Hundred Acre Hood
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:49:00 -
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OP, yeah it's crap. Gal sentinals are feeling shafted too, not to mention Cal sentinals. Scouts aren't getting what they invested their SP in, and now logis are even MORE pathetically squishy compared to other suits. Hopefully they'll make a few more changes to dropsuits in Delta, feel settled on the changes, and give us a respec then.
People QQ for respecs too often so it's not taken seriously, but it's just common sense (and courtesy) to give us one in Delta....unless this is CCP's callous way of creating new SP sinks.
EDIT: by respec I mean dropsuit command respec. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1957
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:53:00 -
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To a flawed argument...
# When CCP gave the Respec and people had the SP for it, People specced into Gal scout thinking
More HP = More Kills... < FOTM chaser
# It's not the Cal scouts fault if other scouts weren't using proper modules.... I use 3 complex PE and 1 range + 1 Dampner on my suit... If the gal scout wants to be armor tanked, it isn't exactly my fault... Amar and Gal scouts used their suits as wanna be assaults and got hunted down for their own stupidity.... Gal scouts were and still are invisible to anyone... Don't try to argue with that... All the amar scouts i've seen before charlie were Brick tanked with CR and SG... They complained, because they didn't want to switch a plate for a dampener...
# Actual FOTM chasers are still the FOTM chaser... If CCP makes min scout powerful, they'd all spec into it and complain about amar and gal scout (Only to get the bonuses)
Next time read the label before speccing into anything... Not that it matters, CCP changes the label every other day due to L33T players who cry "FOTM" "OP" lol |
taxi bastard
uptown456
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:14:00 -
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so what on an advanced suit you now have
2 slots for precision
1 for damp
1 reactive plate
1 shield extender
thats a pretty nice fit with the caldari bonuses vs scouts.
or
2 sheild extenders
1 plate
1 reactive plate
1 precision
thats pretty nice if there is not too much scouts about. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1958
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:20:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:so what on an advanced suit you now have
2 slots for precision
1 for damp
1 reactive plate
1 shield extender
thats a pretty nice fit with the caldari bonuses vs scouts.
or
2 sheild extenders
1 plate
1 reactive plate
1 precision
thats pretty nice if there is not too much scouts about.
If i had to brick tank a scout i would've gone for Cal assault with 3 times more HP than that... |
iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:26:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:so what on an advanced suit you now have
2 slots for precision
1 for damp
1 reactive plate
1 shield extender
thats a pretty nice fit with the caldari bonuses vs scouts.
or
2 sheild extenders
1 plate
1 reactive plate
1 precision
thats pretty nice if there is not too much scouts about.
unfortunately this is still scout 514, though that may change as more ppl skill into assault, and sir those fits don't compare to gal/amarr ehp fits.
"uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:32:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:[quote=Hawkin P]So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) "Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released." And what is this bs? So every player that goes into a new suit is automatically a FOTM chaser? No1 can choose it because they like it anymore huh? Basically if you weren't a scout at the start you can never in your life be a scout without being down for chasing an op suit.
Not true at all. If a person decides to try something new I'm all for that. But if you speced into a suit and cry for a respec as soon as it gets changed then your a FoTM chaser.
I have been in dust since closed beta and i know the signs of a FoTM chaser when i see them.
Specing into the most op suit in the game and then when it gets changed cry for a respec, is the biggest tell tale sign of a FoTM chaser, because now that the FoTM is changed they don't have enough sp to go into the next one and they cry and whine that they need a respec to be able spec into the next FoTM.
Another sign of a FoTM chaser is the fact that they don't have any sp in the skills that are used to support the class they chose i.e eWAR skills for scout, nanohives and rep tools for logi, armor and shield skills for assalut and heavies.
I have played as a scout when they were great in closed and open beta, I have played as a scout when they were crap before 1.8 and i will keep being a scout no matter what and I have never cried for a respec for anything at all, because i am quite happy with the choices i made in the min scout i use. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1959
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:40:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:[quote=Hawkin P]So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) "Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released." And what is this bs? So every player that goes into a new suit is automatically a FOTM chaser? No1 can choose it because they like it anymore huh? Basically if you weren't a scout at the start you can never in your life be a scout without being down for chasing an op suit. Not true at all. If a person decides to try something new I'm all for that. But if you speced into a suit and cry for a respec as soon as it gets changed then your a FoTM chaser. I have been in dust since closed beta and i know the signs of a FoTM chaser when i see them. Specing into the most op suit in the game and then when it gets changed cry for a respec, is the biggest tell tale sign of a FoTM chaser, because now that the FoTM is changed they don't have enough sp to go into the next one and they cry and whine that they need a respec to be able spec into the next FoTM. Another sign of a FoTM chaser is the fact that they don't have any sp in the skills that are used to support the class they chose i.e eWAR skills for scout, nanohives and rep tools for logi, armor and shield skills for assalut and heavies. I have played as a scout when they were great in closed and open beta, I have played as a scout when they were crap before 1.8 and i will keep being a scout no matter what and I have never cried for a respec for anything at all, because i am quite happy with the choices i made in the min scout i use.
To a flawed argument... This was meant for you
# When CCP gave the Respec and people had the SP for it, People specced into Gal scout thinking
More HP = More Kills... < FOTM chaser
# It's not the Cal scouts fault if other scouts weren't using proper modules.... I use 3 complex PE and 1 range + 1 Dampner on my suit... If the gal scout wants to be armor tanked, it isn't exactly my fault... Amar and Gal scouts used their suits as wanna be assaults and got hunted down for their own stupidity.... Gal scouts were and still are invisible to anyone... Don't try to argue with that... All the amar scouts i've seen before charlie were Brick tanked with CR and SG... They complained, because they didn't want to switch a plate for a dampener...
# Actual FOTM chasers are still the FOTM chaser... If CCP makes min scout powerful, they'd all spec into it and complain about amar and gal scout (Only to get the bonuses)
Next time read the label before speccing into anything... Not that it matters, CCP changes the label every other day due to L33T players who cry "FOTM" "OP" lol |
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calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:45:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:[quote=Hawkin P]So a player saves 3 Mil SP (approx. 9 weeks of work) just to skill fully, into a Caldari Scout. He chooses this suit over the others, only because he wants the precision boost that comes with the Caldari.
Now you completely change the bonuses of that suit. How can you not offer the person some sort of respect? Or at least let him choose to switch from the Cardari to the Amarr scout.
It's the electronic equivalent of going to Ford and buying a Mustang only to have some one take the Mustang back a month later and leave you a Ford Festiva, saying this was what Ford meant for the Mustang to really be.
In eve, this is like CCP suddenly deciding that Caldari ships will no longer use missiles. If you want ships with missiles you have to skill into Amarr, because that is the race CCP has decided would be better suited to missiles. (After you have skilled heavily into both missles and Caldari ships.) "Up until all races got a scout suit, were you a scout? No since you stated in your post you saved up sp for a scout, so that mean you never were a scout, just a FoTM chaser that speced into the most OP scout suit and cloak when it was released." And what is this bs? So every player that goes into a new suit is automatically a FOTM chaser? No1 can choose it because they like it anymore huh? Basically if you weren't a scout at the start you can never in your life be a scout without being down for chasing an op suit.
I wasnt a scout before Cal scout either, but I am not a FOTM chaser. I just liked the way the suit looked, call me vain.
Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:50:00 -
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Respect My Authoritah!! I am a Cal Scout!!
Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:44:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Beastlina - created 2014.06.18 10.15 to this day.
Ignore. Do you know what an alt is?
No.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:55:00 -
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Yea this is a problem that CPMs should examine. Suits are presented one way then after complaints flow, it changes. But CCP dont want to give respecs.
I came into this game a CalAss, they changed the bonus and strengthened other racial roles while weakening mines. I then had to tough it out until I became a CalLogi. They changed that and I had to tough it out some more for a CalSen. Now they changed that. Good for me my CalAss is already skilled up so Im not as bad as before.
This is unfair to many who skilled into roles for whatever reason and a forum can screw them over.
I cant help but wonder how many more iterations of roles we are going to see. I know what we have now is not going to stay the same. The impression is CCP dont give a rat ass about their loyal playerbase but want to cater more so to the new players because its more profitable.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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icdedppul
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
145
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Posted - 2014.08.16 03:26:00 -
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psh just spend another 18 weeks grinding and spec into all scouts and then it doesnt matter what they switch around |
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