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Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 408	Posted - 2014.08.14 09:11:00 - [1] - Quote Here we go again. Everything is happening again. before FanFest 2014 where were dead silence from devs and CPM and BAM! - Dust is dead, we were working on new project. After that we got all back, with full devs and CPM support... for a while. Where our promised progression dev blog? And other dev blogs to Legion? Awesome news? Bad news? Any news? And now they are again in silence. What are they doing? They are still working 5 days in a week. It's a business - they have to. But the question is on what they are working? Dust? Legion? New project? Incarna? Did Project Legion did not got green light? And the other question - WHEN they will tell us on what project they are working. If CCP is working again on infamous NDA, at least maybe you can tell us when NDA is lifting off, and you can tell us on what you were working? I hope it will not be FanFest 2015 and the message be "Legion is in the past, we are working on a new project" I support EVE Legion, but the message was very badly delivered...
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 337	Posted - 2014.08.14 09:48:00 - [2] - Quote http://youtu.be/qIMvntC6pBc?t=10s Just look at that, and let your troubles melt away... Following Stanley, to ADVENTURE! (Courtesy of The Adventure LineGäó)
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 891	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:21:00 - [3] - Quote Hawk-eye Occultus wrote: http://youtu.be/qIMvntC6pBc?t=10s Just look at that, and let your troubles melt away... How can anything be so cute? Back to the main topic. Everyone is wondering what the hell is going on with Legion. DEVs were unsilenced and discussed Legion freely. Now they are silent again. One cannot help but speculate something has gone awry. Medium frame EHP is not medium
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3273	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:21:00 - [4] - Quote I think the projects dead in the water, the dont have the funds or the staff to pull of an exchangeing shooter, sadly they missed the window. Odds are all resources are being thrown into valk. Thats a non risk win. Legion will have to fight with rainbow six, destiny, and devision they just wont get anywhere in that kind of market You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3049	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:29:00 - [5] - Quote I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Banjo Robertson Evzones 259	Posted - 2014.08.15 02:46:00 - [6] - Quote It would be nice to hear from anyone who is working on legion how the progress is coming along, whether they have already gotten the green light, or how close to making a presentation for green light approval they are.
DaReaperPW Net 7 The Last Brigade 31	Posted - 2014.08.15 06:16:00 - [7] - Quote Its been just over a month since the last actual real update. A month... take a mild chill pill. IF legion is dead, which i doubt, you will prolly know around eve vegas, in 2 months. TBH they are prolly working on something, they got quite at fan fest cause they were working on something. But honestly, chill. You want to know how many updates Valk has made about there actual progress since fan fest? 0. A dev talks on the forums but no real updates. Relax a bit. They will inform when they are ready, just go back to playing dust or whatever other game you play in the mean time. And IF its dead then meh. point is you can;t do anything about it so why worry?
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3273	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:26:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. You are aware that the cpm have zero creditably after what youre former peers did so snarky comments will just further fule mistrust and strengthen the feeling that you're a joke and just free cheerleaders You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3067	Posted - 2014.08.15 14:52:00 - [9] - Quote By what they "did", I assume you mean their legally-mandated jobs, right? And while they omitted, as they were required to, as far as I know, they didn't outright lie. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4044	Posted - 2014.08.15 15:20:00 - [10] - Quote I expect the Green Light announcement will be used to gain as much publicity and hype as possible. If we are lucky the announcement will come at EVE Vegas, but we might have to wait for Fanfest. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 299	Posted - 2014.08.16 09:52:00 - [11] - Quote Oooh a tinfoil hat thread. Can I play too? /me puts on tinfoil I predict that Legion has not been greenlit. CCP after viewing the "OMG TAKE ALL MY MONIES" nerd fest surrounding Star Citizn have decided to make Legion a part of the EVE client. Keys to open the door will start at $500
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4050	Posted - 2014.08.16 11:48:00 - [12] - Quote Ghural wrote: Oooh a tinfoil hat thread. Can I play too? /me puts on tinfoil I predict that Legion has not been greenlit. CCP after viewing the "OMG TAKE ALL MY MONIES" nerd fest surrounding Star Citizn have decided to make Legion a part of the EVE client. Keys to open the door will start at $500 EVE runs on my Mac. That would be a lot less expensive for me than having to buy a gaming PC. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
emm kay New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:52:00 - [13] - Quote The reason that they are silent is most likely because corprate has told them not to leak anything before the green light, as it would be a HUGE hit to their fanbase if they kept a blog and then one day it was like "whoop upper management cancelled this project, sorry". -- You called, sir?
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 934	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:50:00 - [14] - Quote The tin foil is so very, very real. Likely we haven't heard anything about Legion for awhile because of a double whammy of: (1) CCP dissolved their Dust specific community department and let go some of our best community managers in the process. This was a business decision, but basically the only community manager from whom I get the vibe that he really cares about Dust is...Logibro. For the last while Logibro has probably been very busy making arrangements for the CPM elections, and likely has time absorbed by Eve-related tasks as well. The only other community rep I ever see posting Dust related stuff is Falcon, and it always seems like he's doing that out obligation rather than desire. (2) They legit don't have that much to say. As mentioned, CCP just let go quite a few staff members. They announced who remained out of the community team because we'd be able to figure that out anyways. The development team? Not so much. There's no way of knowing how many devs Shanghai lost, and no way that CCP are going to release those numbers to us. The CPM probably know, so that's interesting. In this interview, before the layoffs, Atli said that Shanghai had approximately 60 developers. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2014/05/03/project-legion-eve-online-preview-interview/ . That number has probably shrunk. That means there are fewer people producing news that can be delivered to the community, fewer people to facilitate delivering that news, and probably more work per person to do internally. Legion is the most back-burner of back-burner projects out of CCP's New Eden games. Valkyrie has buzz, it could be their next money spinner. Eve is potentially a bit stagnant at the moment, but it's nowhere near dead. Legion? Legion is a dream in a few people's heads- an attempt to salvage sunk costs from ruining Dust with bad decisions for two straight years. Don't be surprised if news is extremely slow about Legion until Valkyrie gets into people's hands. That being said, the tin-foil about them not making it is absurd. If that were the case, they wouldn't have obligated themselves to flying 7 CPM members to China for practically no return on that value for CCP. Have a pony
Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 299	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:33:00 - [15] - Quote I'm pretty sure that CCP is no under no obligation to fly the CPM members anywhere. Except to madness .
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 936	Posted - 2014.08.17 17:21:00 - [16] - Quote Ghural wrote: I'm pretty sure that CCP is no under no obligation to fly the CPM members anywhere. Except to madness . You're right, their under no explicit obligation as far as I'm aware. I don't think they agree to a contract with the CxM members despite there being an NDA involved. That being said, there's no way they're going to sign up a CPM, put resources into holding elections, take their volunteer hours, deal with interacting with them, and then they're going to pull a Lannister and not fly them out to Shanghai in several months. For a company in a slump like CCP, it's not okay to do things like that. Any more significant PR blunders that end up being public-facing (such as screwing over the people involved in one of their most-cited PR points) just aren't tenable at the moment. I now sell tin foil wholesale. We even do installation for your whole house. Have a pony
Hector Carson Hellz Gate of Awakening 2	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:18:00 - [17] - Quote I don't even know why there making another game like Dust why not finish what they started, this game has potential, it just needs to be taken care of like a puppy or it will die off, don't start another project before you get the first one done. I'm also kind of glad Legion didn't work out maybe they can go back to focusing on this game.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 342	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:39:00 - [18] - Quote Hector Carson wrote: I don't even know why there making another game like Dust why not finish what they started, this game has potential, it just needs to be taken care of like a puppy or it will die off, don't start another project before you get the first one done. I'm also kind of glad Legion didn't work out maybe they can go back to focusing on this game. PS3 itself is dying, DUST is optimized for the PS3, so that code is going to be nasty for other things, ergo you must salvage your assets and get with the times. I also like how you refer to the failure of legion in the past tense, just wait for Vegas, then you will know. They can't not talk about it. Following Stanley, to ADVENTURE! (Courtesy of The Adventure LineGäó)
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 724	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:17:00 - [19] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. You're worse than Jenza. Congratulations on being a substancless lackey, the community will never trust you. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4701	Posted - 2014.08.18 06:31:00 - [20] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I expect the Green Light announcement will be used to gain as much publicity and hype as possible. If we are lucky the announcement will come at EVE Vegas, but we might have to wait for Fanfest. It will most definitely be used to generate hype. Mostly because CCP doesn't actually do anything legitimate to generate hype.

TooL 10000dayz Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2014.08.18 19:34:00 - [21] - Quote legion cancelled ? Use the blood of your enemies to cool off your imperial rifle - Lost field manual Amarr FW enthusiast :D
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3533	Posted - 2014.08.18 19:45:00 - [22] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. You're worse than Jenza. Congratulations on being a substancless lackey, the community will never trust you. /me Passes the rage torch to Soraya Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 111	Posted - 2014.08.18 20:45:00 - [23] - Quote cant seem to find my tin foil Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3535	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:10:00 - [24] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: cant seem to find my tin foil Borrow Pyrex's. He always has plenty to spare. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3132	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:12:00 - [25] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. You're worse than Jenza. Congratulations on being a substancless lackey, the community will never trust you. /me Passes the rage torch to Soraya /takes the torch I'll pass this on to CPM2 when it's time. Thanks. Okay, but seriously, there's no substance to suggestions that Legion has been cancelled. They are very busy, doing things. I'd like to see more out of them, but there's not much I can say on that yet. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 118	Posted - 2014.08.19 17:32:00 - [26] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Okay, but seriously, there's no substance to suggestions that Legion has been cancelled. They are very busy, doing things. I'd like to see more out of them, but there's not much I can say on that yet. Are they laser focused on it? (only kidding) Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9092	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:19:00 - [27] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Okay, but seriously, there's no substance to suggestions that Legion has been cancelled. They are very busy, doing things. I'd like to see more out of them, but there's not much I can say on that yet. Are they laser focused on it? (only kidding) Do they need more psssh? LOL, sorry. I just wanted to join in on the jokes. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9092	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:22:00 - [28] - Quote My Dream, My Melody On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 416	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:17:00 - [29] - Quote ummm, I assume, and this is a wild guess, but that since it was a early project, and that we've given them tons of feedback so far, that they are gathering all of it up, and working on it?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3150	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:53:00 - [30] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: Are they laser focused on it? Whatever CCP is up to, I always assume they are laser-focused on it. :) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9093	Posted - 2014.08.20 04:33:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Lady MDK wrote: Are they laser focused on it? Whatever CCP is up to, I always assume they are laser-focused on it. :) Like an underpowered laser rifle? On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 301	Posted - 2014.08.20 09:07:00 - [32] - Quote It's frustrating. But you have to remember that CCP has destroyed a lot of goodwill with the community through making big promises and not delivering. So maybe, just maybe, they have learned their lesson. Rebuilding that trust will take time though. And it needs to be built by actually delivering a good game, not just promises.
Jathniel G I A N T 1150	Posted - 2014.08.20 11:13:00 - [33] - Quote Ghural wrote: It's frustrating. But you have to remember that CCP has destroyed a lot of goodwill with the community through making big promises and not delivering. So maybe, just maybe, they have learned their lesson. Rebuilding that trust will take time though. And it needs to be built by actually delivering a good game, not just promises. I'd say that failure to deliver on those promises potentially came from 2 things: 1. A lack of familiarity with developing under console constraints, and not using their in-house engine. This is completely reasonable and understandable. During Fanfest, some devs were regularly stating how they would make certain changes to cope with the PS3's limited capacities. Or how they had to take more time coding new tools to work within the Unreal engine, because it simply didn't come with the tools they needed. For example, they have a lot of maps developed that they can't release, because they have to stay within a budget on hard drive space (and let's be honest, most PlayStation owners have no clue how to upgrade and reformat their PS3 hard drives). 2. Someone felt that developing Dust on the aged PS3 was a good idea, and disregarded all advice from people in his team to the contrary, as pedantic. This is just speculation, of course. Forbes contributer Kathy Caprino helps employees have a good perspective on such bosses. To the boss narcissist's credit though, I'll say this... "If Dust514 was a PS3 LAUNCH game, then your idea would have been ahead of the curve. People coming from PS2 games to Dust, would have been amazed with it. Your timing was simply bad." If CCP Shanghai stays focused on Legion 'like a weak laser rifle', and they deliver on making Legion play the way Dust was envisioned... they will NOT fail. Legion would very well be the game that infuses the EVE universe with the injection of ground players that they want. As long as they remember the VISION. I still find that E3 trailer more appealing than Destiny or Star Citizen. All this time later, and there's still nothing like it. smh Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 301	Posted - 2014.08.20 13:03:00 - [34] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Ghural wrote: It's frustrating. But you have to remember that CCP has destroyed a lot of goodwill with the community through making big promises and not delivering. So maybe, just maybe, they have learned their lesson. Rebuilding that trust will take time though. And it needs to be built by actually delivering a good game, not just promises. I'd say that failure to deliver on those promises potentially came from 2 things: 1. A lack of familiarity with developing under console constraints, and not using their in-house engine. This is completely reasonable and understandable. During Fanfest, some devs were regularly stating how they would make certain changes to cope with the PS3's limited capacities. Or how they had to take more time coding new tools to work within the Unreal engine, because it simply didn't come with the tools they needed. For example, they have a lot of maps developed that they can't release, because they have to stay within a budget on hard drive space (and let's be honest, most PlayStation owners have no clue how to upgrade and reformat their PS3 hard drives). 2. Someone felt that developing Dust on the aged PS3 was a good idea, and disregarded all advice from people in his team to the contrary, as pedantic. This is just speculation, of course. Forbes contributer Kathy Caprino helps employees have a good perspective on such bosses. To the boss narcissist's credit though, I'll say this... "If Dust514 was a PS3 LAUNCH game, then your idea would have been ahead of the curve. People coming from PS2 games to Dust, would have been amazed with it. Your timing was simply bad." But I admit, that would have been impossible.... EVE was at its infancy (and struggling) when the PS3 came out. If CCP Shanghai stays focused on Legion 'like a weak laser rifle', and they deliver on making Legion play the way Dust was envisioned... they will NOT fail. Legion would very well be the game that infuses the EVE universe with the injection of ground players that they want. As long as they remember the VISION. I still find that E3 trailer more appealing than Destiny or Star Citizen. All this time later, and there's still nothing like it. smh Actually CCP have a long history of promising lots and delivering less even on the PC. EVE's history is full of examples. My personal suspicion is that it has more to do with the way CCP is run as an organisation that any technical limitation (though they exist too) In any case. The only way we can judge CCP is by what they actually deliver ... Star Citizen looks pretty cool in my opinion. Of course it could end up the victim of it's own hype balloon, but time will tell.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2014.08.22 13:55:00 - [35] - Quote Ghural wrote: Jathniel wrote: Ghural wrote: It's frustrating. But you have to remember that CCP has destroyed a lot of goodwill with the community through making big promises and not delivering. So maybe, just maybe, they have learned their lesson. Rebuilding that trust will take time though. And it needs to be built by actually delivering a good game, not just promises. I'd say that failure to deliver on those promises potentially came from 2 things: 1. A lack of familiarity with developing under console constraints, and not using their in-house engine. This is completely reasonable and understandable. During Fanfest, some devs were regularly stating how they would make certain changes to cope with the PS3's limited capacities. Or how they had to take more time coding new tools to work within the Unreal engine, because it simply didn't come with the tools they needed. For example, they have a lot of maps developed that they can't release, because they have to stay within a budget on hard drive space (and let's be honest, most PlayStation owners have no clue how to upgrade and reformat their PS3 hard drives). 2. Someone felt that developing Dust on the aged PS3 was a good idea, and disregarded all advice from people in his team to the contrary, as pedantic. This is just speculation, of course. Forbes contributer Kathy Caprino helps employees have a good perspective on such bosses. To the boss narcissist's credit though, I'll say this... "If Dust514 was a PS3 LAUNCH game, then your idea would have been ahead of the curve. People coming from PS2 games to Dust, would have been amazed with it. Your timing was simply bad." But I admit, that would have been impossible.... EVE was at its infancy (and struggling) when the PS3 came out. If CCP Shanghai stays focused on Legion 'like a weak laser rifle', and they deliver on making Legion play the way Dust was envisioned... they will NOT fail. Legion would very well be the game that infuses the EVE universe with the injection of ground players that they want. As long as they remember the VISION. I still find that E3 trailer more appealing than Destiny or Star Citizen. All this time later, and there's still nothing like it. smh Actually CCP have a long history of promising lots and delivering less even on the PC. EVE's history is full of examples. My personal suspicion is that it has more to do with the way CCP is run as an organisation that any technical limitation (though they exist too) In any case. The only way we can judge CCP is by what they actually deliver ... Star Citizen looks pretty cool in my opinion. Of course it could end up the victim of it's own hype balloon, but time will tell. The only two things I can think of that CCP really, truly dropped the ball on Was Walking in Stations and Monoclegate, which we're both the Incarna release (IIRC) Sure, they've had some other, ahem, technical issues (Boot.ini) but straight up wiffing a slow pitch soft ball over the plate, I can't think of others other than the 2 listed above.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4772	Posted - 2014.08.22 17:39:00 - [36] - Quote Ghural wrote: It's frustrating. But you have to remember that CCP has destroyed a lot of goodwill with the community through making big promises and not delivering. So maybe, just maybe, they have learned their lesson. No.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 757	Posted - 2014.08.22 20:09:00 - [37] - Quote they should just forget about a pc vrsion and stick with dust, using this time left on the ps3 to familiarize themselvs with the console market and port dust over to ps4 when ps3 officially goes offline, and continue development there on the ps4.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 349	Posted - 2014.08.22 21:03:00 - [38] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: they should just forget about a pc vrsion and stick with dust, using this time left on the ps3 to familiarize themselvs with the console market and port dust over to ps4 when ps3 officially goes offline, and continue development there on the ps4. Yea- No. Following Stanley, to ADVENTURE! (Courtesy of The Adventure LineGäó)
Your Absolut End Murphys-Law 600	Posted - 2014.08.22 22:13:00 - [39] - Quote yeah, Ccp will surely deliver.... one day.... maybe another day.... okay, sorry it had to be delayed..... ......... ...... soon..... soon(tm)...... sorry we had to cancel the project not because of hardware limitations but because of limitations within our development team, but hey we kind of maybe have an idea how this new project probably maybe one day will pay out like the dream game we all envisioned for dust. Just on case it gets grrenlit, which is not quiet sure right now, or in a couple of momths. maybe you wont hear a long time from us, but maybe we actually do something or maybe not. But hey dust ist still kindof running I guess, or maybe not, we will see. Dust was a nice idea, starting the project on ps3 while it was in its ending cicle was plain stupid. Promising and not deliviring was also stupid. The whole Ff presentations should be taken and used as showcase material on advertisement schools to show how to NOT deal with your customer base. And once again:Silence. Ccp screwed up Dust and definately will screw up legion. even IF they are working non stop on legion, their great ideas womt pay out. They already said Legion will not start eith eve connection which was the biggest selling factor on dust. So all this ideas Ccp has or had for Dust are now not anymore in a "universe" they are in a stand alone game. But its gonna be awesome! Its gonna have Pve and Pvp, and cool scifi stuff.... But wait, isnt there a game which is not only "envisioned" and dreamt of coming out on 9/9 with exactly this? oh and wait? its also getting released on the limited ps3? oh well, too bad :( My whole point is simple: ccp screwed up, and they will once again with legion. And while ccp envisions their new project other companies are out there and RELEASING awesome games. Games with similiar ideas, which are not buggy as f*ck. Ccp had the chance to bring Dust to something awesome. I'm pretty sure Sony would not have denied Dust enterimg the Ps4 which is much less limited, but instead they backed off to start all over again. All the ideas they have NOW, are done in other games, and when ccp one day will show up with legion, nobody will care anout it anymore since all this new content is already old again. its a sad story, Imwould really loved to see dust grow, but I just lost all hopemin ccp, not because of the constant screw ups they delivered with dust, not because of this god awful presentation on ff, but because they are already screwing up with legion again. The community asked for a transparent development process since day one for Dust. Legion was their chance to do everything rigjht. Get int ouch, blogs, screenshots, videos, vlogs, but instead we once again get silence. To me thats a clear sign that ccp clearly doesnt care about their community, so why should we care about them anymore? Other mothers (devs) habe pretty daughters (games) too, so why wait till ccp finally gets their ass up to deliver?
Kovinis Sparagas Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 409	Posted - 2014.08.22 22:26:00 - [40] - Quote Your Absolut End wrote: yeah, Ccp will surely deliver.... one day.... maybe another day.... okay, sorry it had to be delayed..... ......... ...... soon..... soon(tm)...... sorry we had to cancel the project not because of hardware limitations but because of limitations within our development team, but hey we kind of maybe have an idea how this new project probably maybe one day will pay out like the dream game we all envisioned for dust. Just on case it gets grrenlit, which is not quiet sure right now, or in a couple of momths. maybe you wont hear a long time from us, but maybe we actually do something or maybe not. But hey dust ist still kindof running I guess, or maybe not, we will see. Dust was a nice idea, starting the project on ps3 while it was in its ending cicle was plain stupid. Promising and not deliviring was also stupid. The whole Ff presentations should be taken and used as showcase material on advertisement schools to show how to NOT deal with your customer base. And once again:Silence. Ccp screwed up Dust and definately will screw up legion. even IF they are working non stop on legion, their great ideas womt pay out. They already said Legion will not start eith eve connection which was the biggest selling factor on dust. So all this ideas Ccp has or had for Dust are now not anymore in a "universe" they are in a stand alone game. But its gonna be awesome! Its gonna have Pve and Pvp, and cool scifi stuff.... But wait, isnt there a game which is not only "envisioned" and dreamt of coming out on 9/9 with exactly this? oh and wait? its also getting released on the limited ps3? oh well, too bad :( My whole point is simple: ccp screwed up, and they will once again with legion. And while ccp envisions their new project other companies are out there and RELEASING awesome games. Games with similiar ideas, which are not buggy as f*ck. Ccp had the chance to bring Dust to something awesome. I'm pretty sure Sony would not have denied Dust enterimg the Ps4 which is much less limited, but instead they backed off to start all over again. All the ideas they have NOW, are done in other games, and when ccp one day will show up with legion, nobody will care anout it anymore since all this new content is already old again. its a sad story, Imwould really loved to see dust grow, but I just lost all hopemin ccp, not because of the constant screw ups they delivered with dust, not because of this god awful presentation on ff, but because they are already screwing up with legion again. The community asked for a transparent development process since day one for Dust. Legion was their chance to do everything rigjht. Get int ouch, blogs, screenshots, videos, vlogs, but instead we once again get silence. To me thats a clear sign that ccp clearly doesnt care about their community, so why should we care about them anymore? Other mothers (devs) habe pretty daughters (games) too, so why wait till ccp finally gets their ass up to deliver? Golden words my friend... I support EVE Legion, but the message was very badly delivered...

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16227	Posted - 2014.08.22 22:30:00 - [41] - Quote /me uses tin foil to bake some potatoes. CPM 0 Secretary, CPM 1 Elect Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Advanced Minmatar Logistics =// Unlocked
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 204	Posted - 2014.08.24 05:45:00 - [42] - Quote Click-bait, blocked and reported
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1912	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:19:00 - [43] - Quote Muhaaaaaaa hahahaahahah, called it, legion is dead, hahahahhhahahah.... I am Dust Free, found fun in gaming again, Destiny, hell yes, Planetside2? Makes dust look like what it is, crap.
Nrabatar Zorig Nos Nothi 234	Posted - 2014.08.25 07:59:00 - [44] - Quote I think I had some tinfoil here somewhere, I really feel like this is necessary to wear around your head while participating in this thread. Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2419	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:18:00 - [45] - Quote emm kay wrote: The reason that they are silent is most likely because corprate has told them not to leak anything before the green light, as it would be a HUGE hit to their fanbase if they kept a blog and then one day it was like "whoop upper management cancelled this project, sorry". Personally, and this is just a guess, CCP is busily trying to figure out how they're going to weather the next 3 years and stay afloat.
Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 302	Posted - 2014.08.26 06:33:00 - [46] - Quote I backed star citizen, mainly because they aspire to be the complete scifi simulation that EVE once aspired to be. And if it flops, well it's hardly the first time I've wasted money on a game that failed to live up to expectations looks at Dust. Also CCP please create a tinfoil drop suit variant.
Shadow of War88 0uter.Heaven 439	Posted - 2014.08.26 09:19:00 - [47] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. You're worse than Jenza. Congratulations on being a substancless lackey, the community will never trust you. /me Passes the rage torch to Soraya /takes the torch I'll pass this on to CPM2 when it's time. Thanks. Okay, but seriously, there's no substance to suggestions that Legion has been cancelled. They are very busy, doing things. I'd like to see more out of them, but there's not much I can say on that yet. As CPM you are the voice of the people. We have a right to know where the product stands. Go fetch some answers. Its not hard to come here as a DEV and give a brief status update. & justice for all
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3199	Posted - 2014.08.26 14:26:00 - [48] - Quote We have meetings on the schedule. But I can't promise miracles. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3556	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:41:00 - [49] - Quote Shadow of War88 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. You're worse than Jenza. Congratulations on being a substancless lackey, the community will never trust you. /me Passes the rage torch to Soraya /takes the torch I'll pass this on to CPM2 when it's time. Thanks. Okay, but seriously, there's no substance to suggestions that Legion has been cancelled. They are very busy, doing things. I'd like to see more out of them, but there's not much I can say on that yet. As CPM you are the voice of the people. We have a right to know where the product stands. Go fetch some answers. Its not hard to come here as a DEV and give a brief status update. your sense of entitlement is adorable! Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 944	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:59:00 - [50] - Quote Shadow of War88 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: jenza aranda wrote: Spectre-M wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. You're worse than Jenza. Congratulations on being a substancless lackey, the community will never trust you. /me Passes the rage torch to Soraya /takes the torch I'll pass this on to CPM2 when it's time. Thanks. Okay, but seriously, there's no substance to suggestions that Legion has been cancelled. They are very busy, doing things. I'd like to see more out of them, but there's not much I can say on that yet. As CPM you are the voice of the people. We have a right to know where the product stands. Go fetch some answers. Its not hard to come here as a DEV and give a brief status update. The time investment it takes you to post and the time investment it takes to make a good post are distinctly different. Make sure you're approaching this with the proper frame of reference. Have a pony

A Cactuar Trollolol .inc 0	Posted - 2014.08.27 11:48:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. I would like to issue you a complimentary blindfold. Kind Regards Chunky Munkey
A Cactuar Trollolol .inc 0	Posted - 2014.08.27 12:01:00 - [52] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: they should just forget about a pc vrsion and stick with dust, using this time left on the ps3 to familiarize themselvs with the console market and port dust over to ps4 when ps3 officially goes offline, and continue development there on the ps4. What they should have done is release it on PC in the first place, and they never would have been faced with an entire platform's worth of potential new customers that will never touch anything they make again. Kind Regards Chunky Munkey
Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 306	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:36:00 - [53] - Quote A Cactuar wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I would like to issue you some complimentary tin foil. I would like to issue you a complimentary blindfold. Lol. Snappy comeback I'll admit.
Mex-0 Comander's Capital 39	Posted - 2014.08.27 20:13:00 - [54] - Quote I'm more concerned over the future of Dust than legion... i heard from someone that our SP, ISK, and items will carry over, but it's kinda useless if I can't use my ps3 controller with it, my mac can't run it, or if the computer requirements are scary... I don't use OP weapons, I AM OP.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 437	Posted - 2014.08.27 20:55:00 - [55] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: We have meetings on the schedule. But I can't promise miracles. What constitutes a miracle? Them saying anything at ALL about what's going on with Legion?
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 244	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:39:00 - [56] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: We have meetings on the schedule. But I can't promise miracles. What constitutes a miracle? Them saying anything at ALL about what's going on with Legion? Yes. This basically constitutes as a miracle. After fanfest I'm surprised people still haven't gotten it. Plus legion is dead, it's going the way of WOD. Edit: people still post here, who knew. Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 351	Posted - 2014.08.27 21:49:00 - [57] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: I'm more concerned over the future of Dust than legion... i heard from someone that our SP, ISK, and items will carry over, but it's kinda useless if I can't use my ps3 controller with it, my mac can't run it, or if the computer requirements are scary... Your controller will work with a PC (USB for the win!); mac support likely won't appear until an update after launch; and spec requirements will likely be between 6.7 - 9 on the universal scale of computer hardness. AM. A. M. Cogito Ergo Sum! I think, therefore I AM.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2420	Posted - 2014.08.27 22:47:00 - [58] - Quote Hawk-eye Occultus wrote: Mex-0 wrote: I'm more concerned over the future of Dust than legion... i heard from someone that our SP, ISK, and items will carry over, but it's kinda useless if I can't use my ps3 controller with it, my mac can't run it, or if the computer requirements are scary... Your controller will work with a PC (USB for the win!); mac support likely won't appear until an update after launch; and spec requirements will likely be between 6.7 - 9 on the universal scale of computer hardness. While a controller will work with the PC, it's unlikely to be an effective way of playing Legion, assuming Legion gets made at all.
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 244	Posted - 2014.08.27 22:49:00 - [59] - Quote MOAR TINFOIL! Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3208	Posted - 2014.08.28 01:34:00 - [60] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: We have meetings on the schedule. But I can't promise miracles. What constitutes a miracle? Them saying anything at ALL about what's going on with Legion? I'd like to see them show off more of what they're working on. EDIT: Misread the question entirely. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 307	Posted - 2014.08.28 05:53:00 - [61] - Quote Do you think CCP should follow star citizens approach where players have lots of access to information on stuff in progress. I know that such an approach can potentially create problems in regards to players perceived entitlement and expectations (especially if they don't deliver on promises) but in practice it doesn't seem to have hurt their ability to rake in the cash.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3279	Posted - 2014.08.28 10:23:00 - [62] - Quote The reason its working for SC is that people can see its working. CCP could not get a simple shooter working after 5 years that method wont work there brand name is in the mud at the moment. If SC and elite take off i cant EvE lasting. People are fed up of its abusive nature and abuse from players. You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 244	Posted - 2014.08.28 13:36:00 - [63] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: The reason its working for SC is that people can see its working. CCP could not get a simple shooter working after 5 years that method wont work there brand name is in the mud at the moment. If SC and elite take off i cant EvE lasting. People are fed up of its abusive nature and abuse from players. Oh wait there's More Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3213	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:31:00 - [64] - Quote Ghural wrote: Do you think CCP should follow star citizens approach where players have lots of access to information on stuff in progress. I know that such an approach can potentially create problems in regards to players perceived entitlement and expectations (especially if they don't deliver on promises) but in practice it doesn't seem to have hurt their ability to rake in the cash. I think Star Citizen's approach might be a bit too far. And I think the high expectations Star Citizen has set is going to bite them badly in the rear come release time. I've given them way too much money personally, but I think that's a train wreck in the making, just watch. They may be making a ton of cash now, but when the realities set in, I think they're going to burn a lot of customers, really the same way people have felt burned by DUST. (Sidebar: Elite Dangerous devs were selling a "premium beta" as opposed to the "normal beta", which I feel is the highest tier of doucheiness you can get. I don't care how good the game is, I will not give them money, they make EA look like the patron saint of customer service.) What I'd like to see from the Legion development is a periodic tidbit (like weekly) of something they're currently working on. A screenshot or a little factoid, or whatever. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 442	Posted - 2014.08.28 14:47:00 - [65] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: What I'd like to see from the Legion development is a periodic tidbit (like weekly) of something they're currently working on. A screenshot or a little factoid, or whatever. You weren't elected to "like" things damn you! You were elected to enforce the will of the people by any means necessary!
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 246	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:41:00 - [66] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: What I'd like to see from the Legion development is a periodic tidbit (like weekly) of something they're currently working on. A screenshot or a little factoid, or whatever. You weren't elected to "like" things damn you! You were elected to enforce the will of the people by any means necessary! He can't enforce anything, he is a courtesy provided by CCP, and the only means he has is being annoying. Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 442	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:44:00 - [67] - Quote I know. I can attest to the power of his annoyingness. ;) ......and you're a douche
lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 246	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:48:00 - [68] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: I know. I can attest to the power of his annoyingness. ;) ......and you're a douche You'll live. Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 443	Posted - 2014.08.28 15:55:00 - [69] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: I know. I can attest to the power of his annoyingness. ;) ......and you're a douche You'll live. My KDR will never forget. I didn't even know what that was until you did it to me in factional. You're probably a rapist in real life.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3216	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:33:00 - [70] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: He can't enforce anything, he is a courtesy provided by CCP, and the only means he has is being annoying. That is why it is excellent for all of you that I am *incredibly freaking annoying*. :D CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

lionshead nebula Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 250	Posted - 2014.08.28 16:51:00 - [71] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: I know. I can attest to the power of his annoyingness. ;) ......and you're a douche You'll live. My KDR will never forget. I didn't even know what that was until you did it to me in factional. You're probably a rapist in real life. I totally forgot that I needlefucked you. Good times. Upon this pedestal two thousand dreams were sacrificed so that their blood might fuel the many, for he is Legion.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3279	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:06:00 - [72] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ghural wrote: Do you think CCP should follow star citizens approach where players have lots of access to information on stuff in progress. I know that such an approach can potentially create problems in regards to players perceived entitlement and expectations (especially if they don't deliver on promises) but in practice it doesn't seem to have hurt their ability to rake in the cash. I think Star Citizen's approach might be a bit too far. And I think the high expectations Star Citizen has set is going to bite them badly in the rear come release time. I've given them way too much money personally, but I think that's a train wreck in the making, just watch. They may be making a ton of cash now, but when the realities set in, I think they're going to burn a lot of customers, really the same way people have felt burned by DUST. (Sidebar: Elite Dangerous devs were selling a "premium beta" as opposed to the "normal beta", which I feel is the highest tier of doucheiness you can get. I don't care how good the game is, I will not give them money, they make EA look like the patron saint of customer service.) What I'd like to see from the Legion development is a periodic tidbit (like weekly) of something they're currently working on. A screenshot or a little factoid, or whatever. Soraya this post is very hard to troll and you even made a smart suggestion at the end, i dont think you get how the CPM thing works plese see anything by iron wolf saber on how to CPM i mean really making useful smart logical posts, next we will be hearing how you got CCP to do somthing smart You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3227	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:25:00 - [73] - Quote lionshead nebula wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: I know. I can attest to the power of his annoyingness. ;) ......and you're a douche You'll live. My KDR will never forget. I didn't even know what that was until you did it to me in factional. You're probably a rapist in real life. I totally forgot that I needlefucked you. Good times. Lions... keep up the good work... Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3227	Posted - 2014.08.28 22:26:00 - [74] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: He can't enforce anything, he is a courtesy provided by CCP, and the only means he has is being annoying. That is why it is excellent for all of you that I am *incredibly freaking annoying. :D Can Confirm he was in my corp and we did evil *** to him for him being as annoying. Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4387	Posted - 2014.08.29 00:46:00 - [75] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: lionshead nebula wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: I know. I can attest to the power of his annoyingness. ;) ......and you're a douche You'll live. My KDR will never forget. I didn't even know what that was until you did it to me in factional. You're probably a rapist in real life. I totally forgot that I needlefucked you. Good times. Lions... keep up the good work... I don't rage,I get even
lateris ablon Commando Perkone Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.08.29 01:37:00 - [76] - Quote I think the whole lack of responses are based on 1.) A reorganization is in process at CCP games. I feel that is fine as it will bring the Eve Universe 100% to the PC. 2.) The teams are very busy and are under a silent development order at this time. =========================================================================================== Now as far as Dust 514 players feeling a bit down. I can understand that but come over to the PC world. I promise we will take care of you. Eve University is a great place to start. But I would argue that this is truly a passionate community. Making a game for the mainstream with the Eve Universe is a mistake. We are here because CCP games represent the individual who wants a hardcore gaming experience. That is what Eve Online is. That is what stands us apart from the typical games we see. There is nothing wrong with a niche audience. We want to be leet and special compared to all the fads and trends. That is why Eve Online is still going. ATC
Ghural Pradox One Proficiency V. 307	Posted - 2014.08.29 08:42:00 - [77] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Ghural wrote: Do you think CCP should follow star citizens approach where players have lots of access to information on stuff in progress. I know that such an approach can potentially create problems in regards to players perceived entitlement and expectations (especially if they don't deliver on promises) but in practice it doesn't seem to have hurt their ability to rake in the cash. I think Star Citizen's approach might be a bit too far. And I think the high expectations Star Citizen has set is going to bite them badly in the rear come release time. I've given them way too much money personally, but I think that's a train wreck in the making, just watch. They may be making a ton of cash now, but when the realities set in, I think they're going to burn a lot of customers, really the same way people have felt burned by DUST. (Sidebar: Elite Dangerous devs were selling a "premium beta" as opposed to the "normal beta", which I feel is the highest tier of doucheiness you can get. I don't care how good the game is, I will not give them money, they make EA look like the patron saint of customer service.) What I'd like to see from the Legion development is a periodic tidbit (like weekly) of something they're currently working on. A screenshot or a little factoid, or whatever. Legion paid Beta confirmed Seriously though. As a minimum I would like CCP to announce how they are going to transition from Dust to Legion. If they do it right and did something similar to guild wars 1's hall of heroes - where achievements in the first game unlocked bonuses in the second - then not only would they give players something to work towards prior to legions launch, but it would give Dust a continued reason to exist after legion has landed.


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