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H0riz0n Unlimit
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:14:00 -
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6 shot of a particle cannon railgun with 2 complex dam mode for a installation? And i get only 100 wp? Who is the genius who made this possible? I really want to know him
Tanker since I was born -- Want back my blaster -- Madrugar 1125/6753 -- Reduce weakspot dimension
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Zindorak
1.U.P
606
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:17:00 -
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H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:6 shot of a particle cannon railgun with 2 complex dam mode for a installation? And i get only 100 wp? Who is the genius who made this possible? I really want to know him
I laughed at this. I don't know maybe cuz the way you said it. "Who is the genius that made this possible"  It was that line
Pokemon master
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anaboop
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:23:00 -
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Nothing wrong with that, 24 misiles adv to take it down, seems fine to me.
Fully sick Anaboop trading card
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2616
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:29:00 -
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H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:6 shot of a particle cannon railgun with 2 complex dam mode for a installation? And i get only 100 wp? Who is the genius who made this possible? I really want to know him
Turret installations were basically made of paper mache and dryer lint prior to today. They were easily taken out and awarded as many war points as killing two players. That does not fit the risk vs. reward design that CCP uses. Turret installations were made more durable and their AI was updated. Now they are worth those 100 WP's.
TL;DR - HTFU cupcake
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1313
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:33:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote: That does not fit the risk vs. reward design that CCP uses.
TL;DR - HTFU cupcake
In a game with unlimited ISK and a history of scrubby OP suits, risk and reward is not a part of the Dust philosophy.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1057
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Posted - 2014.08.13 12:53:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Ripley Riley wrote: That does not fit the risk vs. reward design that CCP uses.
TL;DR - HTFU cupcake In a game with unlimited ISK and a history of scrubby OP suits, risk and reward is not a part of the Dust philosophy.
OP suits and OP @SS guns as well , totally agree with you GBN .
" Live with your choices " ... is totally thrown out the window from the FOTM chasing community where items are mishandled and unbalanced by those who choose to ruin the game threw complaining as well as indecisiveness of the direction of the state of the game by management as well .
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1315
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:02:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:
OP suits and OP @SS guns as well , totally agree with you GBN .
It wasn't just the suits and guns, to be clear.
The tank rebalance pass was a total **** up. There was no need for them to become as OP as they did, and anyone with a lick of sense would have seen that, in fact plenty of us did.
When people first saw the flaylock, we all knew it was going to be a big problem. When I first heard "waves of opportunity' I knew tanks were due for a serious nerf afterwards to compensate.
The only upside is that a year of playing ping pong with the meta has every long term player with a nice spread of suits, able to adapt to whatever crazy CCP comes up with.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2620
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:31:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:In a game with unlimited ISK
Please explain "unlimited ISK" to me. Are you inferring that public contracts provide unlimited ISK? Well technically so does PvE missions/bounties in Eve Online. There has to be some way for ISK to enter the economy. The incentive to risk is in Dust; you make much more ISK/SP actually trying to win vs. AFK'ing in the warbarge.
GeneralButtNaked wrote:History of scrubby OP suits
This is New Eden, pumpkin. Players can counter other players with the right fittings. I've run squads using MIL/STD (some with ADV weapons admittedly) gear against FotM squads and held my own just fine and I suck at this game. Teamwork > OP FotM all day, e'rry day.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1320
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:41:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:In a game with unlimited ISK Please explain "unlimited ISK" to me. Are you inferring that public contracts provide unlimited ISK? Well technically so does PvE missions/bounties in Eve Online. There has to be some way for ISK to enter the economy. The incentive to risk is in Dust; you make much more ISK/SP actually trying to win vs. AFK'ing in the warbarge. GeneralButtNaked wrote:History of scrubby OP suits This is New Eden, pumpkin. Players can counter other players with the right fittings. I've run squads using MIL/STD (some with ADV weapons admittedly) gear against FotM squads and held my own just fine and I suck at this game. Teamwork > OP FotM all day, e'rry day.
You don't have to play to get unlimited ISK. Do your basic reading. The information is out there, and it is a part of why this game could never be connected to EvE in a meaningful way.
Your argument regarding counters falls apart against competent players. There is a reason why groups from Nyain were able to enforce a meta, because teamwork and the meta is too potent to be ignored. Maybe you forget the sheer hilarity(and absolute scrub factor) of dual flaylocks. Or the brief time where MD's were the best option for an anti infantry weapon because the hit detection went to crap. Or how about old Manus Peak and the Laser light shows? Remember trying those matches in anything other than a laser or a tank? Heck, what about old Manus Peak with the peak and the only accesible from one side peak?
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3737
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:51:00 -
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It means that turrets have to be killed before you can do anything now espc if you want to DS in safety without a random AI turret locking on to you
They could have kept it how it was and everytime a turret got destroyed 30sec later a new one is dropped so it keeps ppl on there toes
But now all you have to do is queue sync with someone, like in FW and 1 on each side, find a nice turret out of the way and play hacking games, get a load of SP for free without having to do anything |
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2621
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:00:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:You don't have to play to get unlimited ISK. Do your basic reading. The information is out there, and it is a part of why this game could never be connected to EvE in a meaningful way.
The ability to biomass character's for their starting ISK? Yeah, you can do that in Eve Online too... that isn't new. You can make much more ISK by actually playing the game.
GeneralButtNaked wrote:Your argument regarding counters falls apart against competent players. There is a reason why groups from Nyain were able to enforce a meta, because teamwork and the meta is too potent to be ignored. Maybe you forget the sheer hilarity(and absolute scrub factor) of dual flaylocks. Or the brief time where MD's were the best option for an anti infantry weapon because the hit detection went to crap. Or how about old Manus Peak and the Laser light shows? Remember trying those matches in anything other than a laser or a tank? Heck, what about old Manus Peak with the peak and the only accessible from one side peak?
So basically you are arguing that because things were unbalanced in the past, CCP's risk vs. reward design philosophy is void? CCP Rattati and Logibro have rolled out three hotfixes to balance things. Can you think of anything in the game right now that is as ridiculous as the dual flaylock or MD? You could make an argument for sentinels and scouts being over used, but Charlie should help alleviate that.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
203
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:03:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:
OP suits and OP @SS guns as well , totally agree with you GBN .
It wasn't just the suits and guns, to be clear. The tank rebalance pass was a total **** up. There was no need for them to become as OP as they did, and anyone with a lick of sense would have seen that, in fact plenty of us did. When people first saw the flaylock, we all knew it was going to be a big problem. When I first heard "waves of opportunity' I knew tanks were due for a serious nerf afterwards to compensate. The only upside is that a year of playing ping pong with the meta has every long term player with a nice spread of suits, able to adapt to whatever crazy CCP comes up with.
Salutations!
General, while I don't agree with all you've posted here, what you say in this quote, from Flaylock, to "Waves of Opportunity" (uuck,... my nemesis of Dust gameplay philosophy), to the upside benefit that long-term players... has a righteous truth.
I joined Dust LATE in Beta stage (about 50 days before the May release), and took what the Beta-Vets had learned as my guide for getting through this game: "Keep frugal with your ISK, and resourceful/ adaptable with your equipment".
You are right,... a wise, long term player spent his time just adapting to every flip-flop change (rather than joining the camps that were unintentionally instigating those flop-changes), and now he tends to be a wealthy member with a handful of truly adaptable successful suit fittings.
 Dust originally was about reinforcing that Risk-vs-Reward component that seems to work so well in EVE-Online.
 All the back-to-forth demands of players (...and CCP's tendence to relent to some of the bad requests--yes, likethe HAV improvements), eroded that "R-v-R" concept over time... and now only those wisest vets among us can sit back and enjoy this game without being torn apart by each new Uprising or Hotfix to come.
...I am ALMOST one of those players.  Only Almost.
Thanks for your post, General.
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
No story can have life without writers and publishers.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2353
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:10:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:You don't have to play to get unlimited ISK. Do your basic reading. The information is out there, and it is a part of why this game could never be connected to EvE in a meaningful way. The ability to biomass character's for their starting ISK? Yeah, you can do that in Eve Online too... that isn't new. You can make much more ISK by actually playing the game.
Actually the math works out to like 48 mil a day for about an hour of work.
If you can make more ISK by playing Pubs I call bullshit.
Best I had was a 68 mil day when Ancient Exiles where hired Mercenaries and I was making 10-15 mil a PC in wage plus match winnings.
I have said, Chribba has proven with math..
The amount of ISK generated from new character creation has eclipsed PC revenues for months and months.
All you have to do is look at the new players created everyday on EVE offline... That number has been static high for nearly a year. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2621
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:16:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Actually the math works out to like 48 mil a day for about an hour of work.
Interested in seeing the math to back this up.
Off the top of my head...
An account has three character slots. Let's assume all three are being used to farm starting ISK. It takes 10 hours to biomass one character; that means each slot can be biomassed twice each day. Each character has 500,000 ISK to start.
(Number of slots * starting ISK) * 2
(3 * 500,000) * 2 = 3,000,000 ISK
That is a healthy chunk of change, but "eclipsing PC" it is not.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
2176
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:21:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:It means that turrets have to be killed before you can do anything now espc if you want to DS in safety without a random AI turret locking on to you
They could have kept it how it was and everytime a turret got destroyed 30sec later a new one is dropped so it keeps ppl on there toes
But now all you have to do is queue sync with someone, like in FW and 1 on each side, find a nice turret out of the way and play hacking games, get a load of SP for free without having to do anything
The new AI now has a "lock on" range of only 75 meters. Learn to stay away from them and dropshipping should be fine. 75 meters looks like almost nothing when flying anyways.
Sorry Taka, but your complaining has no merit.
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3744
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:24:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:It means that turrets have to be killed before you can do anything now espc if you want to DS in safety without a random AI turret locking on to you
They could have kept it how it was and everytime a turret got destroyed 30sec later a new one is dropped so it keeps ppl on there toes
But now all you have to do is queue sync with someone, like in FW and 1 on each side, find a nice turret out of the way and play hacking games, get a load of SP for free without having to do anything The new AI now has a "lock on" range of only 75 meters. Learn to stay away from them and dropshipping should be fine. 75 meters looks like almost nothing when flying anyways. Sorry Taka, but your complaining has no merit.
Oh they actually changed it
Hm wonder how long it will take a python to kill it then |
buzzzzzzz killllllllll
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
663
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:29:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bethhy wrote:Actually the math works out to like 48 mil a day for about an hour of work. Interested in seeing the math to back this up. Off the top of my head... An account has three character slots. Let's assume all three are being used to farm starting ISK. It takes 10 hours to biomass one character; that means each slot can be biomassed twice each day. Each character has 500,000 ISK to start. (Number of slots * starting ISK) * Biomasses each day (3 * 500,000) * 2 = 3,000,000 ISK That is a healthy chunk of change, but "eclipsing PC" it is not.
starting isk is actually 250k, about what you make in one average match, sp is 500k. how is this a better money earning method than playing the game? |
RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
194
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:47:00 -
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H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:6 shot of a particle cannon railgun with 2 complex dam mode for a installation? And i get only 100 wp? Who is the genius who made this possible? I really want to know him
No more free wp.
Turrets are now useful.
How does that reflect on you?.
Stop whining like a scrub, its painful to see a decent player like this.
Service with a smile
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
9038
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:48:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Harpyja wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:It means that turrets have to be killed before you can do anything now espc if you want to DS in safety without a random AI turret locking on to you
They could have kept it how it was and everytime a turret got destroyed 30sec later a new one is dropped so it keeps ppl on there toes
But now all you have to do is queue sync with someone, like in FW and 1 on each side, find a nice turret out of the way and play hacking games, get a load of SP for free without having to do anything The new AI now has a "lock on" range of only 75 meters. Learn to stay away from them and dropshipping should be fine. 75 meters looks like almost nothing when flying anyways. Sorry Taka, but your complaining has no merit. Oh they actually changed it Hm wonder how long it will take a python to kill it then
They will still shoot back at you when you shoot at them, regardless of range.
Also, the Rail installation will as previously not automatically start attacking air vehicles, just the missile and blaster installations.
CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2675
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Posted - 2014.08.13 14:57:00 -
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I haven't tried tanks yet, but i think 10k HP are a little too much, 5k seems more appropriate.
PSN: ogamega
"Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
Uncesored FUCK
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3746
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Posted - 2014.08.13 15:09:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Harpyja wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:It means that turrets have to be killed before you can do anything now espc if you want to DS in safety without a random AI turret locking on to you
They could have kept it how it was and everytime a turret got destroyed 30sec later a new one is dropped so it keeps ppl on there toes
But now all you have to do is queue sync with someone, like in FW and 1 on each side, find a nice turret out of the way and play hacking games, get a load of SP for free without having to do anything The new AI now has a "lock on" range of only 75 meters. Learn to stay away from them and dropshipping should be fine. 75 meters looks like almost nothing when flying anyways. Sorry Taka, but your complaining has no merit. Oh they actually changed it Hm wonder how long it will take a python to kill it then They will still shoot back at you when you shoot at them, regardless of range. Also, the Rail installation will as previously not automatically start attacking air vehicles, just the missile and blaster installations.
So the blaster/missile will still lock onto me and only the rail will lock on when i try and kill it
Looks like gonna need 2+tanks to whack all the turrets
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
2177
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Posted - 2014.08.13 15:15:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Harpyja wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:It means that turrets have to be killed before you can do anything now espc if you want to DS in safety without a random AI turret locking on to you
They could have kept it how it was and everytime a turret got destroyed 30sec later a new one is dropped so it keeps ppl on there toes
But now all you have to do is queue sync with someone, like in FW and 1 on each side, find a nice turret out of the way and play hacking games, get a load of SP for free without having to do anything The new AI now has a "lock on" range of only 75 meters. Learn to stay away from them and dropshipping should be fine. 75 meters looks like almost nothing when flying anyways. Sorry Taka, but your complaining has no merit. Oh they actually changed it Hm wonder how long it will take a python to kill it then They will still shoot back at you when you shoot at them, regardless of range. Also, the Rail installation will as previously not automatically start attacking air vehicles, just the missile and blaster installations. So the blaster/missile will still lock onto me and only the rail will lock on when i try and kill it Looks like gonna need 2+tanks to whack all the turrets
Nope, just one if you know what you're doing. Otherwise, it probably will take more than two scrub tanks to take out any number of turrets.
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3746
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Posted - 2014.08.13 15:18:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:
Nope, just one if you know what you're doing. Otherwise, it probably will take more than two scrub tanks to take out any number of turrets.
2 is quicker
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