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iliel
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:09:00 -
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The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:09:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
I'm cool with a respec for everyone!.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:09:00 -
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Here we go again. 
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Enlist in XCOM
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:12:00 -
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Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:18:00 -
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iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change.
This is not to say I'm against a full respec. I am in fact all for one. But this thread is not about a full respec (at least not explicitly  ). |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:19:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Here we go again.
I know, right? CCP and their invalidation of "permanent" choice... Sheesh.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3839
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:28:00 -
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For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
94
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:30:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr. |
Arcturis Vanguard
Murphys-Law
235
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:31:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
I skilled into calscout day one of 1.8 after the first few matches being shotgunned in the back by invisible scouts. This was well before the cries of calscout being Fotm and before majority of the community knew about its potential at protecting its squad mates.
Yes I am very unhappy that what I skilled into and the purpose of why I skilled into it is being changed and moved to another race because CCP does not want to invest money into having a client side change to remove shared passive scans from the game.
The reason I'm not in uproar about this is because I'm kinda excited about the new bonuses. I think it's hilarious that people cried about the amount of shields that a cal scout could have though most builds with the pre Charlie hot fix, individuals were adding at least two precision enhancers cutting down on their primary tank. Now your going to see a lot more calscouts who will be invisible rocking max tank because why the f u k not? Sure precision mods could be useful to pick up a few weak build scouts but true scouts will be building their suit to be as close to invisible to other scouts as possible making the need to hunt other scout, now a non priority for the calscout.
Now I won't turn down a respec but I won't be asking for one either. GG community
Amarr Heavy V
Amarr Assault V
Caldari Scout V
Caldari logistic IV
Prof V HMG & FORGE
Prof IV CR, SMG
Prof III ScR
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
166
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:32:00 -
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iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change.
I thought Cal Scouts wanted to be Cal Scouts. Anyway in terms of precedent this will never happen, but don't worry I have the solution.
"All Aurum items are now 40% off, in case you want to be placed into a different suit for reasons unrelated to CCP's doing, it could all be yours for the low, low price of 10-20$or euros, or whatever your country uses..."
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
94
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:33:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. I skilled into calscout day one of 1.8 after the first few matches being shotgunned in the back by invisible scouts. This was well before the cries of calscout being Fotm and before majority of the community knew about its potential at protecting its squad mates. Yes I am very unhappy that what I skilled into and the purpose of why I skilled into it is being changed and moved to another race because CCP does not want to invest money into having a client side change to remove shared passive scans from the game. The reason I'm not in uproar about this is because I'm kinda excited about the new bonuses. I think it's hilarious that people cried about the amount of shields that a cal scout could have though most builds with the pre Charlie hot fix, individuals were adding at least two precision enhancers cutting down on their primary tank. Now your going to see a lot more calscouts who will be invisible rocking max tank because why the f u k not? Sure precision mods could be useful to pick up a few weak build scouts but true scouts will be building their suit to be as close to invisible to other scouts as possible making the need to hunt other scout, now a non priority for the calscout. Now I won't turn down a respec but I won't be asking for one either. GG community
Hence, it being optional. So long as other Cal Scouts in general realize they're getting a new suit, then any Cal Scout should have the choice to change to a precision-oriented scout (I guess the Gallente now qualifies for this as well but the Amarr really maintains the spirit of the current Cal). |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3840
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:34:00 -
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iliel wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr.
FOTM = Flavor of the Month
In early Uprising, it was Slayer Logi all the way.
After 1.8, it became GalScouts and CalScouts.
It recently became Gallente and Amarr Sentinel.
What stinks, is the "season pass" wouldn't even put you in a Scout suit after Charlie. You'd either end up in an Assault Suit or flying a Python.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
94
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:37:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. I thought Cal Scouts wanted to be Cal Scouts. Anyway in terms of precedent this will never happen, but don't worry I have the solution. "All Aurum items are now 40% off, in case you want to be placed into a different suit for reasons unrelated to CCP's doing, it could all be yours for the low, low price of 10-20$or euros, or whatever your country uses..."
This would work, but a suit's bonus is dependent on the skill level. An Aur suit therefore does not satisfy the change.
Anyway, your point is taken. There are Boosters available, so I could double my weekly cap and get the new suit. Should Rattati himself respond in this way, I'll be satisfied - - knowing explicitly what it is I am dealing with. |
gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:43:00 -
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iliel wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. I thought Cal Scouts wanted to be Cal Scouts. Anyway in terms of precedent this will never happen, but don't worry I have the solution. "All Aurum items are now 40% off, in case you want to be placed into a different suit for reasons unrelated to CCP's doing, it could all be yours for the low, low price of 10-20$or euros, or whatever your country uses..." This would work, but a suit's bonus is dependent on the skill level. An Aur suit therefore does not satisfy the change. Anyway, your point is taken. There are Boosters available, so I could double my weekly cap and get the new suit. Should Rattati himself respond in this way, I'll be satisfied - - knowing explicitly what it is I am dealing with.
The boosters would also be 40%,off because they cost aurum...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
95
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:iliel wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr. FOTM = Flavor of the Month Uprising 1.0 thru 1.6 - Go Slayer Logi or go home. Uprising 1.7 - The HAV ... "waves of opportunity" my arse. Uprising 1.8 - GalScout and CalScout Uprising 1.8B - Gallente and Amarr Sentinel What stinks, is the "season pass" wouldn't even put you in the Amarr Scout suit after Charlie. You'd either end up in an Assault Suit or flying a Python.
Lol. Anyway, I knew what FOTM meant but was trying to say that I think the phrase Flavor of the Month or Fit of the Month is vague. And I think those who dislike FOTM chaser are the people who regardless of whether they are the FOTM will be killed. At some point in this game, the suit doesn't matter; the player does. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.10 23:03:00 -
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iliel wrote:
Lol. Anyway, I knew what FOTM meant but was trying to say that I think the phrase Flavor of the Month or Fit of the Month is vague. And I think those who dislike FOTM chaser are the people who regardless of whether they are the FOTM will be killed. At some point in this game, the suit doesn't matter; the player does.
You should checkout some KingThunderbolt videos. Not only are they painfully entertaining, the guy kicks ass without a modicum of sense or skill. I will concede that sense and skill make OP gear better, but a merc can do quite well without either running an HMG Heavy at the moment.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
96
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Posted - 2014.08.10 23:17:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:iliel wrote:
Lol. Anyway, I knew what FOTM meant but was trying to say that I think the phrase Flavor of the Month or Fit of the Month is vague. And I think those who dislike FOTM chaser are the people who regardless of whether they are the FOTM will be killed. At some point in this game, the suit doesn't matter; the player does.
You should checkout some KingThunderbolt videos. Not only are they painfully entertaining, the guy kicks ass without a modicum of sense or skill. I will concede that sense and skill make OP gear better, but a merc can do quite well without either running an HMG Heavy at the moment.
Agreed. Some suits are clearly more difficult to use - - especially in pub matches (for example, the commando). However, in more competitive matches, these suits prove to be incredibly valuable and not overly difficult to use given the right teammates.
Anyway, I think CCP ought to give every player a dropsuit command respec given the extent of changes to dropsuits during this hotfix. I think changes to the Cal Scout, however, are especially significant and that Cal Scout users should at the very least get their points back.
I think a full respec might be excessive (though I would greatly appreciate one  ). But just dropsuits seems necessary to keeping the game fun and, if not that, consistent. |
Vapor Forseti
Nyain Chan
General Tso's Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2014.08.10 23:22:00 -
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I'm actually glad that Ratty decided to change the CalScout's bonus to scan radius so now I'll have a valid excuse to scrap rng amps for dampeners.
"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes."
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
98
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:14:00 -
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Vapor Forseti wrote:I'm actually glad that Ratty decided to change the CalScout's bonus to scan radius so now I'll have a valid excuse to scrap rng amps for dampeners.
That's great. But for anyone who isn't glad, they should still get to keep their precision in some form. |
ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
3189
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:40:00 -
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They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now?
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:47:00 -
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If they do this for scouts people would say you need to do it for heavies since suit layouts will be changing
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
98
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:54:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now?
Did you chose the Cal Logi rather than the Gal, Amarr, or Min logis because of the CPU? |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
98
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:19:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:If they do this for scouts people would say you need to do it for heavies since suit layouts will be changing
I actually asked for the heavy suit as well. Naturally, I would agree. 
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
189
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:23:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ANOTHER FOTM CHASER CRYING FOR A RESPEC. STFU AND GTFO AND GTFM |
Dj grammer
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:40:00 -
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If it is just a dropsuit respec then fine but realize that this will create chaos which is good or bad for the game.
Darkness is a Beginning, you see, not an end.
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
3189
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:43:00 -
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iliel wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now? Did you chose the Cal Logi rather than the Gal, Amarr, or Min logis because of the CPU?
I chose it for several reasons, including its slot layout, the shield bonus, and it's relatively capable (but not overpowered) fitting capability. It lost two of three of them, only being viable at the time due to shields being so much more powerful than armor. After armor buffs, it eventually became the worst logi suit of the bunch in 1.8 after getting a relatively weak racial bonus when compared to the other logi suits.
I quite happily specced out of the suit in 1.8 when we got the DSC respec and never looked back.
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:43:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ANOTHER FOTM CHASER CRYING FOR A RESPEC. STFU AND GTFO AND GTFM
Yep, I'm a scrub. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:51:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:iliel wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now? Did you chose the Cal Logi rather than the Gal, Amarr, or Min logis because of the CPU? I chose it for several reasons, including its slot layout, the shield bonus, and it's relatively capable (but not overpowered) fitting capability. It lost two of three of those. The suit became the worst of them after being nerfed so heavily, only being viable at the time due to shields being so much more powerful than armor. After armor buffs, it eventually became the worst logi suit of the bunch in 1.8 after getting a relatively weak racial bonus when compared to the other logi suits. I quite happily specced out of the suit in 1.8 when we got the DSC respec and never looked back.
Cal Logi was the worst of the bunch? It is the worst of the bunch? Ok.
Anyhow, if you felt that you had chosen the Cal Logi because of its CPU, then you should have argued that you deserved to have those skills reallocated into a different logi suit. I, for one, would have support you. |
NO U TURN
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
652
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:54:00 -
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Why should just cal scouts get a respec?
I chose Amarr heavy because of all the low slots. They moved a slot to high and now its going back. Sure I was pissed 'at first' untill I found out it could survive an RE. Now I wont be able to survive an RE.
Gimme Respect damn it! |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:55:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:If it is just a dropsuit respec then fine but realize that this will create chaos which is good or bad for the game.
I'm pretty sure chaos is always a good thing.  |
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NO U TURN
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
652
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:55:00 -
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Scouts OP, nerf em all! |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:58:00 -
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NO U TURN wrote:Why should just cal scouts get a respec? I chose Amarr heavy because of all the low slots. They moved a slot to high and now its going back. Sure I was pissed 'at first' untill I found out it could survive an RE. Now I wont be able to survive an RE. Gimme Respect damn it!
I also have Amarr heavy and also asked that I receive a respec for it too. I definitely agree with you.
I dedicated this thread to the Cal Scout because I think the change being made to it fundamentally will change my playstyle and fundamentally contradicts the choice I made when I skilled into it. |
Soul Cairn
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
10
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:59:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:iliel wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr. FOTM = Flavor of the Month Uprising 1.0 thru 1.6 - Go Slayer Logi or go home. Uprising 1.7 - The HAV ... "waves of opportunity" my arse. Uprising 1.8 - Everyone's a Scout! Uprising 1.8B - Mostly Heavies, still Scouts What stinks, is the "season pass" wouldn't even put you in the Amarr Scout suit after Charlie. You'd either end up in an Assault Suit or flying a Python.
I don't want my Python to be FOTM, it doesn't deserve to go the same way my precious pre-1.8 scout went. 
Kick reason out to the curb.
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:06:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
LOL
Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:17:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. LOL
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:19:00 -
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Soul Cairn wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:iliel wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr. FOTM = Flavor of the Month Uprising 1.0 thru 1.6 - Go Slayer Logi or go home. Uprising 1.7 - The HAV ... "waves of opportunity" my arse. Uprising 1.8 - Everyone's a Scout! Uprising 1.8B - Mostly Heavies, still Scouts What stinks, is the "season pass" wouldn't even put you in the Amarr Scout suit after Charlie. You'd either end up in an Assault Suit or flying a Python. I don't want my Python to be FOTM, it doesn't deserve to go the same way my precious pre-1.8 scout went.
Right, they should subtract 500 shield from the Python rather than add it.
But yeah, please provide a reallocation option for Cal Scout SP. |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2446
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:26:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:If it is just a dropsuit respec then fine but realize that this will create chaos which is good or bad for the game.
So wait, it's either good or bad? Fascinating!
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
3156
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:32:00 -
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Translating...
CCP please don't take away my wall hacks. How will I ever be competitive without them
Escrow Removal and Acquisition- Our ERA has only just begun...
Gym Bro/ Meat Head -- CrossFit enthusiast
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:37:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Translating... CCP please don't take away my wall hacks. How will I ever be competitive without them
This is not untrue. |
Morathi III
Pro Hic Immortalis
193
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:47:00 -
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iliel wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. This is not to say I'm against a full respec. I am in fact all for one. But this thread is not about a full respec (at least not explicitly ).
so all OH want a respect to use FOTM... HAHAHA no way scrubs!!!!
Cal scout will come back with a fix to shield vs armor balance
French Canadian Scrubs scout
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.11 03:54:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:iliel wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. This is not to say I'm against a full respec. I am in fact all for one. But this thread is not about a full respec (at least not explicitly ). so all OH want a respect to use FOTM... HAHAHA no way scrubs!!!! Cal scout will come back with a fix to shield vs armor balance
Yes, all OH run cal scouts. |
Jaselyn Cabellos
Kitties of Doom
78
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Posted - 2014.08.11 03:58:00 -
[42] - Quote
iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
From Brick tanked Scout to the next Race of brick tanked scouts. Pfft
Knifing Tanks to Death - Since 2016
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Morathi III
Pro Hic Immortalis
194
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Posted - 2014.08.11 04:01:00 -
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iliel wrote:Morathi III wrote:iliel wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. This is not to say I'm against a full respec. I am in fact all for one. But this thread is not about a full respec (at least not explicitly ). so all OH want a respect to use FOTM... HAHAHA no way scrubs!!!! Cal scout will come back with a fix to shield vs armor balance Yes, all OH run cal scouts.
lot of you, like other competitive corp aanyway, it was OP to be realistic. sadly it will be not good for competitive gameplay until they balance shield vs armor and yes they change the role drastically to give it to an other class. To be fair you may have the choice to choose in between keeping cal scout or transfer the point in amarr scout. will not happen add to this if you have the choice to skill in anything else and i see your become an assault... i will be really pissed so im not agree with a respec
French Canadian Scrubs scout
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 04:26:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:iliel wrote:Morathi III wrote:iliel wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. This is not to say I'm against a full respec. I am in fact all for one. But this thread is not about a full respec (at least not explicitly ). so all OH want a respect to use FOTM... HAHAHA no way scrubs!!!! Cal scout will come back with a fix to shield vs armor balance Yes, all OH run cal scouts. lot of you, like other competitive corp aanyway, it was OP to be realistic. sadly it will be not good for competitive gameplay until they balance shield vs armor and yes they change the role drastically to give it to an other class. To be fair you may have the choice to choose in between keeping cal scout or transfer the point in amarr scout. will not happen add to this if you have the choice to skill in anything else and i see your become an assault... i will be really pissed so im not agree with a respec
Yes sir, this is all I want - - a choice . |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 04:28:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. From Brick tanked Scout to the next Race of brick tanked scouts. Pfft
Sorry, but my triple precision Cal scout is the opposite of brick tanked. Annoying yes, but not ehp heavy.
I can't help it that the Amarr scout has that brick aspect. But I can assure you, should I get it, I'll run two range and two damps. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
100
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Posted - 2014.08.11 15:06:00 -
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Come on Rattati ... you know you want to give us a quick dropsuit respec or Cal Scout sp reallocation. |
Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
155
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Posted - 2014.08.11 15:44:00 -
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Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:12:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too.
This is why VU has such a competitive team. |
Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
156
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:13:00 -
[49] - Quote
What does my corp have to do with your thread? please point this out to me. And you did not really answer my question. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1939
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:16:00 -
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I hope CCP ignores this and forces you to spend your SP elsewhere like the rest of us.
It's absolutely childish to demand a respec only for your suit class because it's not special snowflake enough anymore.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
189
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:33:00 -
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AGAIN FTOM CHASERS STOP CRYING FOR A RESPEC JUST BECAUSE A HOTFIX CHANGES THE FOTM....TRY BEING A REAL PLAYER AND ADAPT TO THE GAME INSTEAD OF ADAPT THE GAME TO YOU |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:23:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:I hope CCP ignores this and forces you to spend your SP elsewhere like the rest of us.
It's absolutely childish to demand a respec only for your suit class because it's not special snowflake enough anymore.
Good news. They've ignored me. Bad news. I've saved 3mil sp for the suit I want come Charlie. |
Zindorak
1.U.P
586
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:25:00 -
[53] - Quote
2 bad 4 u. You should of know better that an op suit will be nerfed
Pokemon master
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:25:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:AGAIN FTOM CHASERS STOP CRYING FOR A RESPEC JUST BECAUSE A HOTFIX CHANGES THE FOTM....TRY BEING A REAL PLAYER AND ADAPT TO THE GAME INSTEAD OF ADAPT THE GAME TO YOU
Ok. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:26:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:2 bad 4 u. You should of know better that an op suit will be nerfed
Agreed. |
Zindorak
1.U.P
586
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:27:00 -
[56] - Quote
iliel wrote:843-Vika wrote:AGAIN FTOM CHASERS STOP CRYING FOR A RESPEC JUST BECAUSE A HOTFIX CHANGES THE FOTM....TRY BEING A REAL PLAYER AND ADAPT TO THE GAME INSTEAD OF ADAPT THE GAME TO YOU Ok.
Lol
Pokemon master
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:35:00 -
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Jack 3enimble wrote:
Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too.
Jack 3enimble wrote:
What does my corp have to do with your thread? please point this out to me. And you did not really answer my question.
The point of my original post was not that the nerf makes my suit unplayable but that it makes it uncompetitive in relation to its current role.. This is not to say the suit will no longer be competitive in any sense, but that it will no longer be competitive in relation its hunting ability. You've suggested that this untrue: "you can still scan 95% of the players." I think that this suggestion reflects not only on you but your corp as a whole. Does this not answer your question - - "You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here?" |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:40:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:iliel wrote:843-Vika wrote:AGAIN FTOM CHASERS STOP CRYING FOR A RESPEC JUST BECAUSE A HOTFIX CHANGES THE FOTM....TRY BEING A REAL PLAYER AND ADAPT TO THE GAME INSTEAD OF ADAPT THE GAME TO YOU Ok. Lol
I can't lie, I chase FOTM. Amarr Scout with that OP 18 prec and 30 range is the next FOTM, so everyone better get it quickly! |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
3103
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:40:00 -
[59] - Quote
iliel wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:
Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too.
Jack 3enimble wrote:
What does my corp have to do with your thread? please point this out to me. And you did not really answer my question.
The point of my original post was not that the nerf makes my suit unplayable but that it makes it uncompetitive in relation to its current role. This is not to say the suit will no longer be competitive in any sense, but that it will no longer be competitive in relation to its hunting ability. You've suggested that this untrue: "you can still scan 95% of the players." I think that this suggestion reflects not only on you but your corp as a whole. Does this not answer your question - - "You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here?"
I just have to say that this is a classic example of a non answer |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:51:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:iliel wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:
Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too.
Jack 3enimble wrote:
What does my corp have to do with your thread? please point this out to me. And you did not really answer my question.
The point of my original post was not that the nerf makes my suit unplayable but that it makes it uncompetitive in relation to its current role. This is not to say the suit will no longer be competitive in any sense, but that it will no longer be competitive in relation to its hunting ability. You've suggested that this untrue: "you can still scan 95% of the players." I think that this suggestion reflects not only on you but your corp as a whole. Does this not answer your question - - "You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here?" I just have to say that this is a classic example of a non answer
That is the best kind of answer there is. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
3104
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:00:00 -
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iliel wrote:Delta 749 wrote:iliel wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:
Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too.
Jack 3enimble wrote:
What does my corp have to do with your thread? please point this out to me. And you did not really answer my question.
The point of my original post was not that the nerf makes my suit unplayable but that it makes it uncompetitive in relation to its current role. This is not to say the suit will no longer be competitive in any sense, but that it will no longer be competitive in relation to its hunting ability. You've suggested that this untrue: "you can still scan 95% of the players." I think that this suggestion reflects not only on you but your corp as a whole. Does this not answer your question - - "You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here?" I just have to say that this is a classic example of a non answer That is the best kind of answer there is.
I guess if you want to be regarded as a joke it sure is |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
101
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:37:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
I guess if you want to be regarded as a joke it sure is
Given the question, yes, I did want my answer to be regarded as a joke. |
Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
990
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:49:00 -
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Meh, by the time that I get 2.5 mil SP to spent on my Gal Assault the servers will be off.... |
Cass Caul
486
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Posted - 2014.08.12 01:52:00 -
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I skilled into the Gallente Scout suit because. . . it was the only option at the time. Then I re-skilled into it because scouts lost a module from Chromo to Uprising and I needed at least 3 low slots. Then I skilled into Gallente Against becuase it had the best scan range.
I demand my Gallente Scout Skill Points be redistributed into my Caldari Scout.
I Skilled into Caldari Scout because of its bonus to Scan Precision. Now it's losing it and going to Amarr.
I demand my Caldari Scout Skill Points be redistributed to my Amarr Scout.
I skilled into Amarr Scout because. . . I had the other three at proto. You changed the role entirely. Now it's going to be useful. You should put it somewhere else. Redistribute it to Gallente Scout!
*Checks Character Sheet*
Thanks CCP!
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
103
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Posted - 2014.08.12 02:11:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:I skilled into the Gallente Scout suit because. . . it was the only option at the time. Then I re-skilled into it because scouts lost a module from Chromo to Uprising and I needed at least 3 low slots. Then I skilled into Gallente Against becuase it had the best scan range.
I demand my Gallente Scout Skill Points be redistributed into my Caldari Scout.
I Skilled into Caldari Scout because of its bonus to Scan Precision. Now it's losing it and going to Amarr.
I demand my Caldari Scout Skill Points be redistributed to my Amarr Scout.
I skilled into Amarr Scout because. . . I had the other three at proto. You changed the role entirely. Now it's going to be useful. You should put it somewhere else. Redistribute it to Gallente Scout!
*Checks Character Sheet*
Thanks CCP!
Problem with this is that: during the first change (release of uprising and also a month after this), you did get to redistribute your points AND during the second (release of 1.8 and also a month or so after if you wrote a ticket), you again got to redistribute them.
Now, we don't get to change our role to be consistent with past choices.
Honestly, I don't understand your fourth point. I think you are trying to suggest that I just make up reasons to change my suit. Perhaps this is true. But then I don't understand why we had a chance to change it after Chrome and after 1.8. Or, I guess, if CCP is consistent, I don't understand why we had a chance to change them. One can always deny the presupposition here.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2344
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Posted - 2014.08.12 02:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Here we go again.
I would agree.. about "again"
But this was the community and rattati's decision...
People who knew better warned that trying to shuffle and repurpose suit bonuses. is like slapping everyone in the face who made an informed well researched decision to go caldari scout.
The switching around of bonuses instead of making the suits under performing relevant through different means has created this problem.
It didn't need to happen but trying to Be lazy in balancing attempts has yielded this result EVERYTIME. At some point CCP can look back at history and learn.
Doing the same stupid shortsighted bullshit and listening to people who can't even fit half the suits in the game and wouldn't know where to start has created this time and time again.
A Bullshit solution, is still bullshit. |
Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
157
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Posted - 2014.08.12 02:22:00 -
[67] - Quote
Delta 749 wrote:iliel wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:
Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too.
Jack 3enimble wrote:
What does my corp have to do with your thread? please point this out to me. And you did not really answer my question.
The point of my original post was not that the nerf makes my suit unplayable but that it makes it uncompetitive in relation to its current role. This is not to say the suit will no longer be competitive in any sense, but that it will no longer be competitive in relation to its hunting ability. You've suggested that this untrue: "you can still scan 95% of the players." I think that this suggestion reflects not only on you but your corp as a whole. Does this not answer your question - - "You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here?" I just have to say that this is a classic example of a non answer
Thank you for pointing this out aswell
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
103
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Posted - 2014.08.12 02:49:00 -
[68] - Quote
Jack 3enimble wrote:Delta 749 wrote:iliel wrote:Jack 3enimble wrote:
Dude, stop talking about "we" Cal scouts. You're giving "us" a bad name. You think you're some kind of spokesperson for all Cal scouts, let me break your bubble here. You're really not. The precision bonus needed a nerf especially in combination with the high slot numbers. You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here? with that setup you can still scan 95% of the players and you can now scan them from a greater distance too.
Jack 3enimble wrote:
What does my corp have to do with your thread? please point this out to me. And you did not really answer my question.
The point of my original post was not that the nerf makes my suit unplayable but that it makes it uncompetitive in relation to its current role. This is not to say the suit will no longer be competitive in any sense, but that it will no longer be competitive in relation to its hunting ability. You've suggested that this untrue: "you can still scan 95% of the players." I think that this suggestion reflects not only on you but your corp as a whole. Does this not answer your question - - "You say you run triple precision enhancers? what is your problem here?" I just have to say that this is a classic example of a non answer Thank you for pointing this out aswell
yes, I agree, I was rude. decided to be rude in response to you being rude which was rude so I apologize.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
1266
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Posted - 2014.08.12 03:09:00 -
[69] - Quote
I'm not for respecs cus it shifts the entire playerbase.
We end up seeing a huge migration instead of a natural curve to new playstyles. This leads to, at the very least, an impression of unbalanced gamplay.
Just look what happend with the release of 1.8. Bang, right out of the gate with proto Cal scouts with inherent skills and we never once saw what the progression was like for new players (which should be the main focus) or for players seeking to start a new role.
Bottom line: Your Cal scouts are still fulfilling the same role, only at the expense of more modules (which you should have anyway) so ultimately there is no grounds for a respec. Amarr scout is indeed getting the bonus but the suit itself does not lend itself to that role, so it isn't going to be the hunter you want. It will only be easier to be a casual scout hunter for any prey stupid enough not to be dampend like most should.
"The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun"
"Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
403
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Posted - 2014.08.12 03:13:00 -
[70] - Quote
Have you not recognized the pattern bro? Put more suits in your closet dude.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Ronan Elsword
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
282
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Posted - 2014.08.12 03:24:00 -
[71] - Quote
ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now?
Because I will give Rattati Cheese
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2014.08.12 03:26:00 -
[72] - Quote
This is the way of GD/dev nerfing. Most taxing, it is. |
Arcturis Vanguard
Murphys-Law
240
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Posted - 2014.08.12 03:57:00 -
[73] - Quote
Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I'm not for respecs cus it shifts the entire playerbase.
We end up seeing a huge migration instead of a natural curve to new playstyles. This leads to, at the very least, an impression of unbalanced gamplay.
Just look what happend with the release of 1.8. Bang, right out of the gate with proto Cal scouts with inherent skills and we never once saw what the progression was like for new players (which should be the main focus) or for players seeking to start a new role.
Bottom line: Your Cal scouts are still fulfilling the same role, only at the expense of more modules (which you should have anyway) so ultimately there is no grounds for a respec. Amarr scout is indeed getting the bonus but the suit itself does not lend itself to that role, so it isn't going to be the hunter you want. It will only be easier to be a casual scout hunter for any prey stupid enough not to be dampend like most should.
Actually the amarr scout with two precision enhancers will practically be a mirror image to the "typical" calscout pre Charlie. Not 100% but Damn near close. With the adjustment to passive bonuses, all scouts will be able to be completely invisible to each other and the focused scanner built right and cloaked.
Amarr Heavy V
Amarr Assault V
Caldari Scout V
Caldari logistic IV
Prof V HMG & FORGE
Prof IV CR, SMG
Prof III ScR
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Maken Tosch
Dust University
Ivy League
9028
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Posted - 2014.08.12 04:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
Wait in the back of the line like the rest of the Eve Online players waiting eternally for a respec. :)
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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JONAHBENHUR
Inner.Hell
41
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Posted - 2014.08.12 12:41:00 -
[75] - Quote
what is wall hack ?
"To be a man you must have honor, "HONOR AND A PENIS !!" -shinoske noharu
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
347
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Posted - 2014.08.12 14:29:00 -
[76] - Quote
So, wait....
People complained about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People complained LOUDER about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People screamed from the mountains!!! about the Cal scout
CCP fixes Cal Scout
People complain from ON HIGH that the Cal Scout was fine and no changes were needed
Got it
lesson learned. If you don't want to get b!itch slapped, don't be a b!itch |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3913
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Posted - 2014.08.12 14:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
What should i say? my gallente scout is getting profile dampening and precision. The original bonuses where dampening+scan range which is now given to caldari. Just utter bollocks cause the caldari gets 10% scan range per lvl and the same dampening bonus too. With that it can scan out to insane ranges and aswell remain hidden without sacrificing slots for its main tanking which is shields.
They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of:
"GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2350
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Posted - 2014.08.12 15:01:00 -
[78] - Quote
RayRay James wrote:So, wait....
People complained about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People complained LOUDER about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People screamed from the mountains!!! about the Cal scout
CCP fixes Cal Scout
People complain from ON HIGH that the Cal Scout was fine and no changes were needed
Got it
lesson learned. If you don't want to get b!itch slapped, don't be a b!itch
I think the "Fixes" went over your head and general understanding of the game.
They didn't "Nerf" they took one bonus and completely re purposed it and changed it to a completely different race. There isn't much difference from what the cal scout was before to the now Amarr scout, except maybe the tank preference.
This would be fine. BUT, CCP gave everyone a chance to research and make informed decisions on the race that fits their playstyle. So people spent a week or two before they allocated their skills researching what they wanted out of their suit.
THEN a couple months later CCP takes the bonus that they chose the suit for, and puts it on a completely different race. Slapping the entire CCP concept of a well educated and researched skill allocation.
The entire purpose of a persistent skill system is pointless when CCP shuffles bonuses around like this.
The suits that where under performing should of been made relevant by different means then shuffling bonuses around. That is just lazy, short sighted... and frankly insulting to the community.
And the bonuses given to the Amarr, Galllente and Caldari... Don't even have any continuity with New Eden and how the races have operated there with strengths and weaknesses for over a decade. The bonus allocation was pulled out of someones ass and make no sense in the big picture of what makes that races strength and weakness, again.. that has been established for well over a decade on EVE..
One day CCP Rattati and the CPM's should sit down for 2 hours on skype and figure out the big picture of DUST or this IP... Because trying to focus on small issues to then try and fix the big picture is assbackwards. |
Hawkings Greenback
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.08.12 15:40:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
Beautifully crafted BS worthy of any politician. Have you ever considered a CPM role ?
Minmatar logi <3
Moonlighting as an Amarr logi occasionally
Minmatar Nova Knife scout in training
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
6292
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:34:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now?
Really? Thats nothing. It still did it's role, and nothing else changed. No reason for a respec.
The only time they should give out respecs is when the changes radically change the suits ROLE.
Don't ask for handouts every time something small changes, lest they decide to never do it again.
FA's Stabber Extraordinaire
Minmatar Enthusiast
Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
348
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:52:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:RayRay James wrote:So, wait....
People complained about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People complained LOUDER about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People screamed from the mountains!!! about the Cal scout
CCP fixes Cal Scout
People complain from ON HIGH that the Cal Scout was fine and no changes were needed
Got it
lesson learned. If you don't want to get b!itch slapped, don't be a b!itch I think the "Fixes" went over your head and general understanding of the game. They didn't "Nerf" they took one bonus and completely re purposed it and changed it to a completely different race. There isn't much difference from what the cal scout was before to the now Amarr scout, except maybe the tank preference. This would be fine. BUT, CCP gave everyone a chance to research and make informed decisions on the race that fits their playstyle. So people spent a week or two before they allocated their skills researching what they wanted out of their suit. THEN a couple months later CCP takes the bonus that they chose the suit for, and puts it on a completely different race. Slapping the entire CCP concept of a well educated and researched skill allocation. The entire purpose of a persistent skill system is pointless when CCP shuffles bonuses around like this.The suits that where under performing should of been made relevant by different means then shuffling bonuses around. That is just lazy, short sighted... and frankly insulting to the community. And the bonuses given to the Amarr, Galllente and Caldari... Don't even have any continuity with New Eden and how the races have operated there with strengths and weaknesses for over a decade. The bonus allocation was pulled out of someones ass and make no sense in the big picture of what makes that races strength and weakness, again.. that has been established for well over a decade on EVE.. One day CCP Rattati and the CPM's should sit down for 2 hours on skype and figure out the big picture of DUST or this IP... Because trying to focus on small issues to then try and fix the big picture is assbackwards.
I'm completely aware of what they did.
I've also been dealing with CCP for near a decade. They do whatever they want. Lore be damned.
How have you not learned that they're using us to beta Legion stats at this point.
Also, take a look at some of the rebalancing they're doing in the next expansion on EVE. They're taking a drone HAC, something that takes moths to train into, and making it less of a drone ship.
These 'rebalancings' are nothing new. They are based on knee jerk reactions to whining on the forums. The same forums that I was mocking in my original post. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1288
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:09:00 -
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I've been saving SP ever since Charlie was announced.
Perhaps if the OP had more foresight, he might be saving SP rather than clogging the forums asking for a respec that won't happen. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:12:00 -
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Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I'm not for respecs cus it shifts the entire playerbase.
We end up seeing a huge migration instead of a natural curve to new playstyles. This leads to, at the very least, an impression of unbalanced gamplay.
. . .
Bottom line: Your Cal scouts are still fulfilling the same role
I can't argue with your first point. Perhaps players will migrate.
My point is that I want to maintain my current playstyle (I, at the expense of a lot of HP, and my enemy both scan each other - - unless my enemy is a double damped Gal Scout).
Therefore, I disagree with your second point: my role is changing - - I'm going from a hunter to a ghost.
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:13:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Have you not recognized the pattern bro? Put more suits in your closet dude.
If I had more SP, then this wouldn't be a problem. However, that doesn't exactly fix the issue itself - - an issue which at least I think affects many other (not all) people in my position. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:17:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:I'm not for respecs cus it shifts the entire playerbase.
We end up seeing a huge migration instead of a natural curve to new playstyles. This leads to, at the very least, an impression of unbalanced gamplay.
Just look what happend with the release of 1.8. Bang, right out of the gate with proto Cal scouts with inherent skills and we never once saw what the progression was like for new players (which should be the main focus) or for players seeking to start a new role.
Bottom line: Your Cal scouts are still fulfilling the same role, only at the expense of more modules (which you should have anyway) so ultimately there is no grounds for a respec. Amarr scout is indeed getting the bonus but the suit itself does not lend itself to that role, so it isn't going to be the hunter you want. It will only be easier to be a casual scout hunter for any prey stupid enough not to be dampend like most should. Actually the amarr scout with two precision enhancers will practically be a mirror image to the "typical" calscout pre Charlie. Not 100% but Damn near close. With the adjustment to passive bonuses, all scouts will be able to be completely invisible to each other and the focused scanner built right and cloaked. The calscout with full precision will have such a bad scan that it would honestly be better off running tank and gank.
It will be a close mirror. The difference is that, unlike the original Cal Scout, the Amarr will likely only be able to scan non-scouts, most other Amarr Scouts, and most Min scouts. Both Cals and Gals will almost always be invisible from now on. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:17:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Wait in the back of the line like the rest of the Eve Online players waiting eternally for a respec. :)
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:19:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:So, wait....
People complained about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People complained LOUDER about the Cal Scout
CCP ignored it
People screamed from the mountains!!! about the Cal scout
CCP fixes Cal Scout
People complain from ON HIGH that the Cal Scout was fine and no changes were needed
Got it
lesson learned. If you don't want to get b!itch slapped, don't be a b!itch
Is this a criticism or promotion? |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:23:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:What should i say? my gallente scout is getting profile dampening and precision. The original bonuses where dampening+scan range which is now given to caldari. Just utter bollocks cause the caldari gets 10% scan range per lvl and the same dampening bonus too. With that it can scan out to insane ranges and aswell remain hidden without sacrificing slots for its main tanking which is shields.
Come on - - you know better than this: how can a Cal Scout scan to insane ranges AND remain hidden?
Anyway, I'd be more than happy if they reversed it. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:25:00 -
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Hawkings Greenback wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. Beautifully crafted BS worthy of any politician. Have you ever considered a CPM role ?
I was not crafted for politics. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:28:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now? Really? Thats nothing. It still did it's role, and nothing else changed. No reason for a respec. The only time they should give out respecs is when the changes radically change the suits ROLE. Don't ask for handouts every time something small changes, lest they decide to never do it again.
Thanks, Kaisar. I can only hope that such levelheadedness helps encourage CCP to balance the Min Scout with the rest (though I suspect they want to witness the new power of the knives first). |
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
116
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:34:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:I've been saving SP ever since Charlie was announced.
Perhaps if the OP had more foresight, he might be saving SP rather than clogging the forums asking for a respec that won't happen.
Have 3 mil. This thread is a call for justice not for gain.
I'm still going to spec into Charlie's so-called FOTM (Amarr Assault because I already have Amarr Heavy) just for laughs. This is my destiny - - unless, of course, another destiny comes along before then. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
190
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:40:00 -
[92] - Quote
iliel wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:I've been saving SP ever since Charlie was announced.
Perhaps if the OP had more foresight, he might be saving SP rather than clogging the forums asking for a respec that won't happen. Have 3 mil. This thread is a call for justice not for gain. I'm still going to spec into Charlie's so-called FOTM (Amarr Assault because I already have Amarr Heavy) just for laughs. This is my destiny - - unless, of course, another destiny comes along before then.
FoTM chasers are the dregs of dust and a blight on the community, Its because of them dust is becoming just another cod game, They need to be removed from dust and have their ip address banned for the network |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2453
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Posted - 2014.08.12 18:51:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:iliel wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:I've been saving SP ever since Charlie was announced.
Perhaps if the OP had more foresight, he might be saving SP rather than clogging the forums asking for a respec that won't happen. Have 3 mil. This thread is a call for justice not for gain. I'm still going to spec into Charlie's so-called FOTM (Amarr Assault because I already have Amarr Heavy) just for laughs. This is my destiny - - unless, of course, another destiny comes along before then. FoTM chasers are the dregs of dust and a blight on the community, Its because of them dust is becoming just another cod game, They need to be removed from dust and have their ip address banned for the network
Or, you could make them play each other to death.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
116
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Posted - 2014.08.12 20:52:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:iliel wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:I've been saving SP ever since Charlie was announced.
Perhaps if the OP had more foresight, he might be saving SP rather than clogging the forums asking for a respec that won't happen. Have 3 mil. This thread is a call for justice not for gain. I'm still going to spec into Charlie's so-called FOTM (Amarr Assault because I already have Amarr Heavy) just for laughs. This is my destiny - - unless, of course, another destiny comes along before then. FoTM chasers are the dregs of dust and a blight on the community, Its because of them dust is becoming just another cod game, They need to be removed from dust and have their ip address banned for the network
I suspect you'd do better not playing an FPS in general. I would suggest The Sims. |
Hawkings Greenback
Red Star.
EoN.
202
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Posted - 2014.08.12 21:21:00 -
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iliel wrote:Hawkings Greenback wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. Beautifully crafted BS worthy of any politician. Have you ever considered a CPM role ? I was not crafted for politics.
That's a shame you may be missing out!! 
Enjoy killing peeps instead.
Minmatar logi <3
Moonlighting as an Amarr logi occasionally
Minmatar Nova Knife scout in training
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
358
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Posted - 2014.08.12 22:20:00 -
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This is why I skilled into Caldari everything. Inevitably they always change your choices one day then say live with our decisions.
The only thing I'm incredibly annoyed about is how I will no longer be running my cheap basic sentinels and my calmandos will be carrying the repair hives. Since neither of them have a low slot in charlie which on a fatty is pretty ********. I have 450-300 passive armor on my suit but no way to fit a repair module, oh I bet these suits won't be ****!
The Caldari and Minmitar heavies are supposed to be the least colon logi dependant... Minmitar came out great in charlie... wish charlie had been 1.8 and I would of stayed Minmitar now that they are finally becoming the suits they were supposed to be... |
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