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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:09:00 -
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The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:09:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. I'm cool with a respec for everyone!.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:09:00 -
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Here we go again.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
94
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:12:00 -
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Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
94
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:18:00 -
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iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change.
This is not to say I'm against a full respec. I am in fact all for one. But this thread is not about a full respec (at least not explicitly ). |
Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:19:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Here we go again. I know, right? CCP and their invalidation of "permanent" choice... Sheesh.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:28:00 -
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For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
94
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:30:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr. |
Arcturis Vanguard
Murphys-Law
235
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:31:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
I skilled into calscout day one of 1.8 after the first few matches being shotgunned in the back by invisible scouts. This was well before the cries of calscout being Fotm and before majority of the community knew about its potential at protecting its squad mates.
Yes I am very unhappy that what I skilled into and the purpose of why I skilled into it is being changed and moved to another race because CCP does not want to invest money into having a client side change to remove shared passive scans from the game.
The reason I'm not in uproar about this is because I'm kinda excited about the new bonuses. I think it's hilarious that people cried about the amount of shields that a cal scout could have though most builds with the pre Charlie hot fix, individuals were adding at least two precision enhancers cutting down on their primary tank. Now your going to see a lot more calscouts who will be invisible rocking max tank because why the f u k not? Sure precision mods could be useful to pick up a few weak build scouts but true scouts will be building their suit to be as close to invisible to other scouts as possible making the need to hunt other scout, now a non priority for the calscout.
Now I won't turn down a respec but I won't be asking for one either. GG community
Amarr Heavy V
Amarr Assault V
Caldari Scout V
Caldari logistic IV
Prof V HMG & FORGE
Prof IV CR, SMG
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gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
166
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:32:00 -
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iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. I thought Cal Scouts wanted to be Cal Scouts. Anyway in terms of precedent this will never happen, but don't worry I have the solution.
"All Aurum items are now 40% off, in case you want to be placed into a different suit for reasons unrelated to CCP's doing, it could all be yours for the low, low price of 10-20$or euros, or whatever your country uses..."
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:33:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. I skilled into calscout day one of 1.8 after the first few matches being shotgunned in the back by invisible scouts. This was well before the cries of calscout being Fotm and before majority of the community knew about its potential at protecting its squad mates. Yes I am very unhappy that what I skilled into and the purpose of why I skilled into it is being changed and moved to another race because CCP does not want to invest money into having a client side change to remove shared passive scans from the game. The reason I'm not in uproar about this is because I'm kinda excited about the new bonuses. I think it's hilarious that people cried about the amount of shields that a cal scout could have though most builds with the pre Charlie hot fix, individuals were adding at least two precision enhancers cutting down on their primary tank. Now your going to see a lot more calscouts who will be invisible rocking max tank because why the f u k not? Sure precision mods could be useful to pick up a few weak build scouts but true scouts will be building their suit to be as close to invisible to other scouts as possible making the need to hunt other scout, now a non priority for the calscout. Now I won't turn down a respec but I won't be asking for one either. GG community
Hence, it being optional. So long as other Cal Scouts in general realize they're getting a new suit, then any Cal Scout should have the choice to change to a precision-oriented scout (I guess the Gallente now qualifies for this as well but the Amarr really maintains the spirit of the current Cal). |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3840
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:34:00 -
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iliel wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr.
FOTM = Flavor of the Month
In early Uprising, it was Slayer Logi all the way. After 1.8, it became GalScouts and CalScouts. It recently became Gallente and Amarr Sentinel.
What stinks, is the "season pass" wouldn't even put you in a Scout suit after Charlie. You'd either end up in an Assault Suit or flying a Python.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:37:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. I thought Cal Scouts wanted to be Cal Scouts. Anyway in terms of precedent this will never happen, but don't worry I have the solution. "All Aurum items are now 40% off, in case you want to be placed into a different suit for reasons unrelated to CCP's doing, it could all be yours for the low, low price of 10-20$or euros, or whatever your country uses..."
This would work, but a suit's bonus is dependent on the skill level. An Aur suit therefore does not satisfy the change.
Anyway, your point is taken. There are Boosters available, so I could double my weekly cap and get the new suit. Should Rattati himself respond in this way, I'll be satisfied - - knowing explicitly what it is I am dealing with. |
gustavo acosta
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:43:00 -
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iliel wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:iliel wrote:Not a full respec. Reallocation of Cal Scout skills into the players' intended role. We chose precision so let us have that bonus. If this means that the devs have to reallocate points for us - - so be it.
But this is what we chose, and this game is about making choices. Regardless of the amount of precision bonus, we should have one. The Cal scout nerf is not a nerf, it is a change, and we should have the right not to accept this change. I thought Cal Scouts wanted to be Cal Scouts. Anyway in terms of precedent this will never happen, but don't worry I have the solution. "All Aurum items are now 40% off, in case you want to be placed into a different suit for reasons unrelated to CCP's doing, it could all be yours for the low, low price of 10-20$or euros, or whatever your country uses..." This would work, but a suit's bonus is dependent on the skill level. An Aur suit therefore does not satisfy the change. Anyway, your point is taken. There are Boosters available, so I could double my weekly cap and get the new suit. Should Rattati himself respond in this way, I'll be satisfied - - knowing explicitly what it is I am dealing with. The boosters would also be 40%,off because they cost aurum...
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.10 22:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:iliel wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:For only $10/month, the Dust 514 "FotM season pass" will transfer your hard-earned SP automatically. While it isn't technically a respec, it does keep you ahead of the curve and always invested in whatever gear is trending.
This is funny. But Amarr scout is not a FOTM (even though I'm still uncertain what this even means). In fact, the new Cal Scout might be better than it. My point though is that the new Cal Scout is not THE Cal Scout that has been on the battlefield. Therefore, we should be able to have what we chose - - not an assault suit, not a heavy suit, not a Gal Scout, but simply the Amarr. FOTM = Flavor of the Month Uprising 1.0 thru 1.6 - Go Slayer Logi or go home. Uprising 1.7 - The HAV ... "waves of opportunity" my arse. Uprising 1.8 - GalScout and CalScout Uprising 1.8B - Gallente and Amarr Sentinel What stinks, is the "season pass" wouldn't even put you in the Amarr Scout suit after Charlie. You'd either end up in an Assault Suit or flying a Python.
Lol. Anyway, I knew what FOTM meant but was trying to say that I think the phrase Flavor of the Month or Fit of the Month is vague. And I think those who dislike FOTM chaser are the people who regardless of whether they are the FOTM will be killed. At some point in this game, the suit doesn't matter; the player does. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.10 23:03:00 -
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iliel wrote: Lol. Anyway, I knew what FOTM meant but was trying to say that I think the phrase Flavor of the Month or Fit of the Month is vague. And I think those who dislike FOTM chaser are the people who regardless of whether they are the FOTM will be killed. At some point in this game, the suit doesn't matter; the player does.
You should checkout some KingThunderbolt videos. Not only are they painfully entertaining, the guy kicks ass without a modicum of sense or skill. I will concede that sense and skill make OP gear better, but a merc can do quite well without either running an HMG Heavy at the moment.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.10 23:17:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:iliel wrote: Lol. Anyway, I knew what FOTM meant but was trying to say that I think the phrase Flavor of the Month or Fit of the Month is vague. And I think those who dislike FOTM chaser are the people who regardless of whether they are the FOTM will be killed. At some point in this game, the suit doesn't matter; the player does.
You should checkout some KingThunderbolt videos. Not only are they painfully entertaining, the guy kicks ass without a modicum of sense or skill. I will concede that sense and skill make OP gear better, but a merc can do quite well without either running an HMG Heavy at the moment.
Agreed. Some suits are clearly more difficult to use - - especially in pub matches (for example, the commando). However, in more competitive matches, these suits prove to be incredibly valuable and not overly difficult to use given the right teammates.
Anyway, I think CCP ought to give every player a dropsuit command respec given the extent of changes to dropsuits during this hotfix. I think changes to the Cal Scout, however, are especially significant and that Cal Scout users should at the very least get their points back.
I think a full respec might be excessive (though I would greatly appreciate one ). But just dropsuits seems necessary to keeping the game fun and, if not that, consistent. |
Vapor Forseti
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2014.08.10 23:22:00 -
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I'm actually glad that Ratty decided to change the CalScout's bonus to scan radius so now I'll have a valid excuse to scrap rng amps for dampeners.
"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes."
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:14:00 -
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Vapor Forseti wrote:I'm actually glad that Ratty decided to change the CalScout's bonus to scan radius so now I'll have a valid excuse to scrap rng amps for dampeners.
That's great. But for anyone who isn't glad, they should still get to keep their precision in some form. |
ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:40:00 -
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They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now?
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:47:00 -
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If they do this for scouts people would say you need to do it for heavies since suit layouts will be changing
Nyain San/Chan Director
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.11 00:54:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now?
Did you chose the Cal Logi rather than the Gal, Amarr, or Min logis because of the CPU? |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:19:00 -
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Mr Machine Guns wrote:If they do this for scouts people would say you need to do it for heavies since suit layouts will be changing
I actually asked for the heavy suit as well. Naturally, I would agree.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
189
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:23:00 -
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iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ANOTHER FOTM CHASER CRYING FOR A RESPEC. STFU AND GTFO AND GTFM |
Dj grammer
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
327
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:40:00 -
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If it is just a dropsuit respec then fine but realize that this will create chaos which is good or bad for the game.
Darkness is a Beginning, you see, not an end.
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:43:00 -
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iliel wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now? Did you chose the Cal Logi rather than the Gal, Amarr, or Min logis because of the CPU?
I chose it for several reasons, including its slot layout, the shield bonus, and it's relatively capable (but not overpowered) fitting capability. It lost two of three of them, only being viable at the time due to shields being so much more powerful than armor. After armor buffs, it eventually became the worst logi suit of the bunch in 1.8 after getting a relatively weak racial bonus when compared to the other logi suits.
I quite happily specced out of the suit in 1.8 when we got the DSC respec and never looked back.
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:43:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:iliel wrote:The Cal Scout is no longer the same suit. For good or for bad you're decision to remove precision in Charlie has also made the suit into something that it was not. We Cal scout users did not choose this suit and therefore should not be forced to use it.
Please allow us to reallocate our skill points.
Or, if you want to restrict us somehow, please allow us to have the GM reallocate our Cal scout sp into the role we did choose - - now, the Amarr scout.
Thank you. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ANOTHER FOTM CHASER CRYING FOR A RESPEC. STFU AND GTFO AND GTFM
Yep, I'm a scrub. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:51:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:iliel wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:They never gave us a respec when they torched the CPU on the Cal Logi in 1.4... why do you think you deserve one now? Did you chose the Cal Logi rather than the Gal, Amarr, or Min logis because of the CPU? I chose it for several reasons, including its slot layout, the shield bonus, and it's relatively capable (but not overpowered) fitting capability. It lost two of three of those. The suit became the worst of them after being nerfed so heavily, only being viable at the time due to shields being so much more powerful than armor. After armor buffs, it eventually became the worst logi suit of the bunch in 1.8 after getting a relatively weak racial bonus when compared to the other logi suits. I quite happily specced out of the suit in 1.8 when we got the DSC respec and never looked back.
Cal Logi was the worst of the bunch? It is the worst of the bunch? Ok.
Anyhow, if you felt that you had chosen the Cal Logi because of its CPU, then you should have argued that you deserved to have those skills reallocated into a different logi suit. I, for one, would have support you. |
NO U TURN
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
652
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:54:00 -
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Why should just cal scouts get a respec? I chose Amarr heavy because of all the low slots. They moved a slot to high and now its going back. Sure I was pissed 'at first' untill I found out it could survive an RE. Now I wont be able to survive an RE. Gimme Respect damn it! |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
99
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:55:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:If it is just a dropsuit respec then fine but realize that this will create chaos which is good or bad for the game.
I'm pretty sure chaos is always a good thing. |
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