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Juedfin90
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
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Posted - 2014.08.09 20:45:00 -
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Hello dear Community,
i represent some players from germany that wanted to know wheter all Scouts could have an respec of their Dropsuit Skill Tree , special the light frame partition.
Here is the argument:
We spend money and Skill Points into special Scout races because of the bonuses.
Dust 514 ( included the game fun, dropsuits ec. ) in generall is an service delivery.
So you change bonuses for Scouts, and now we doesnt get the attendance we skilled into , and payed into.
Conclusion is that you break the general terms.
So we want this Respec.
(my english isnt that good so try to speak easy and without abbreviation )
kind regardsfrom germany :)
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
359
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Posted - 2014.08.09 20:54:00 -
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F scouts... let them steep in the tears of not being the OP FOTM in charlie! 
> LogiBro in Training
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
65
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Posted - 2014.08.09 21:02:00 -
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I think Cal scouts are the only ones who deserve a respec because there bonus got jacked by the amarr.
And I didn't know Cal scouts were op FOTM until after I got it. I just wanted everything Caldari.
Eye of the Reaper
Pro Caldari assault and sentinel.
Proto magsec, Forgegun and Rail Rifle
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Juedfin90
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
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Posted - 2014.08.09 21:24:00 -
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wiseguy12 wrote:I think Cal scouts are the only ones who deserve a respec because there bonus got jacked by the amarr
You just said what i was thinking !
Cal scouts and Gellente Scouts are just so strong because the bonuses of the other Scouts are to weak.
Give the Minmatar for example a real good bonus on hack ( 10% per level ) and amarr for example real good bonus on range ( 10% per level ). And set the CPU/PG so, that when they play their role as a Hacker ( with proto modules ) or passive Scanner they have low HP !
Therefore assaults and Heavies would have other advantages like HP...
just an idea that refers to the Scouts....
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3857
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Posted - 2014.08.09 21:55:00 -
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New to CCP aren't ya?
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
2162
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:03:00 -
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No respec.
If you chose, say, Caldari scout because it shield tanks, then Charlie shouldn't be much of a problem for you at all.
But if you skilled into Caldari because it had the most OP skill bonus, then you most definitely do not deserve a respec.
You should skill for racial preference, not for the best bonus.
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1950
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:14:00 -
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Noooo!!
My ninja will be viable for the first 2 weeks post charlie until everyone skills amarr
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
5025
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Posted - 2014.08.09 23:57:00 -
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Actually there's good reason to wait; in delta CCP is looking to replace even the proposed scout bonuses with module efficacy bonuses
Bojo For CPM
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taxi bastard
uptown456
Dark Taboo
199
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Posted - 2014.08.10 06:01:00 -
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tbh i think soon CCP should offer a total respec. if delta there are the final changes besides tweeking then it should be then.
As a mini scout i will be even further down the pecking order of scouts,
range and dampening >hacking and KN
no need for a respec for that reason onlu
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Glitch116
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
129
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:11:00 -
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to all the cal scout freaking out about losing our scan bonus chill
the cal scout will still be able to have almost the same precision as the amarr because of its extra highs slots and have long range to boot AND damps for once
so as a cal scout user i say no because the role of the suit is not changing the way you fit and use your cal scout suit is not going to drastically change
it will still be able to to do it job
I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!!
deal with it
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
229
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:36:00 -
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Another pathetic and self entitled scout thread.
If scouts get a respec then everyone should get one.
I'll enjoy my Amarr scout until it gets nerfed. I'll get to swap 1 of two prec mods for a sidearm damage mod, yey!
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:39:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:No respec.
If you chose, say, Caldari scout because it shield tanks, then Charlie shouldn't be much of a problem for you at all.
But if you skilled into Caldari because it had the most OP skill bonus, then you most definitely do not deserve a respec.
You should skill for racial preference, not for the best bonus.
People skilled into the dropsuits that were available to them, as CCP provided them. The cal scouts OP skill bonus isn't being addressed, it's just moving to a different scout. It's not the players fault something is considered OP. And we shouldn't skill for racial preferences, we should skill for whatever we feel like, based on how we want to play.
I'm not advocating any more respecs, I'm just saying that CCP has been changing the game almost on a monthly basis for over a year. Skills have been getting switched, changed, and removed, invalidating player's choices. At what point can we feel safe that "our choices matter"?
Desperate attempt to get BPOs
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Juedfin90
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:48:00 -
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Glitch116 wrote:to all the cal scout freaking out about losing our scan bonus chill
the cal scout will still be able to have almost the same precision as the amarr because of its extra highs slots and have long range to boot AND damps for once
so as a cal scout user i say no because the role of the suit is not changing the way you fit and use your cal scout suit is not going to drastically change
it will still be able to to do it job
So with 4 complex precision modules and 2 dampeners you can keep up with amarr, butt he needs just 2 high slots and 2 low and has 2 more to take f.e. amor plate so that you arnt able to compete with him 1 vs 1
" If you aren´t strong, be smart " citation from Sun Zu´s Book Tactics of War
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
229
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:01:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Harpyja wrote:No respec.
If you chose, say, Caldari scout because it shield tanks, then Charlie shouldn't be much of a problem for you at all.
But if you skilled into Caldari because it had the most OP skill bonus, then you most definitely do not deserve a respec.
You should skill for racial preference, not for the best bonus. People skilled into the dropsuits that were available to them, as CCP provided them. The cal scouts OP skill bonus isn't being addressed, it's just moving to a different scout. It's not the players fault something is considered OP. And we shouldn't skill for racial preferences, we should skill for whatever we feel like, based on how we want to play. I'm not advocating any more respecs, I'm just saying that CCP has been changing the game almost on a monthly basis for over a year. Skills have been getting switched, changed, and removed, invalidating player's choices. At what point can we feel safe that "our choices matter"?
If you have been here long enough then its easy to spot something that is op.
The moment I knew the caldari scouts bonus vs the other scouts, I knew it would get a nerf.
Then take into account how that bonus works vs everything, it was very obvious.
Most scouts I see are brick tanked and provoking a knife duel 9/10 will get you shotgunned in the face nowadays as well. 99% of scouts we have now are nothing compared to the skill level they used to be and that rough 1% of decent scouts left have been here since beta.
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
229
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:02:00 -
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Juedfin90 wrote:Glitch116 wrote:to all the cal scout freaking out about losing our scan bonus chill
the cal scout will still be able to have almost the same precision as the amarr because of its extra highs slots and have long range to boot AND damps for once
so as a cal scout user i say no because the role of the suit is not changing the way you fit and use your cal scout suit is not going to drastically change
it will still be able to to do it job So with 4 complex precision modules and 2 dampeners you can keep up with amarr, butt he needs just 2 high slots and 2 low and has 2 more to take f.e. amor plate so that you arnt able to compete with him 1 vs 1
Haha, no just you........
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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Juedfin90
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:07:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Harpyja wrote:No respec.
If you chose, say, Caldari scout because it shield tanks, then Charlie shouldn't be much of a problem for you at all.
But if you skilled into Caldari because it had the most OP skill bonus, then you most definitely do not deserve a respec.
You should skill for racial preference, not for the best bonus. People skilled into the dropsuits that were available to them, as CCP provided them. The cal scouts OP skill bonus isn't being addressed, it's just moving to a different scout. It's not the players fault something is considered OP. And we shouldn't skill for racial preferences, we should skill for whatever we feel like, based on how we want to play. I'm not advocating any more respecs, I'm just saying that CCP has been changing the game almost on a monthly basis for over a year. Skills have been getting switched, changed, and removed, invalidating player's choices. At what point can we feel safe that "our choices matter"?
I agree with you totally.
I consider fun as the main ambition of all players. Agree?
And now you choose and you skill into what fun is for you, wheter it is a vehicle or a heavy ...
And now you build your tactics in order to win and to have fun...
But now they are changing so much that your whole strategie doesnt work.
Thats why it is unfair.
In order to bring a result out of this discussion, i would recommand to critisize CCP-¦s changing behaviour.
What do you think?
PLEASE GIVE REAL ARGUMENTS FOR YOUR OPINION !
An opinion without any argument is it not worth it and cheap.
" If you aren´t strong, be smart " citation from Sun Zu´s Book Tactics of War
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
229
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:12:00 -
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Juedfin90 wrote:sabre prime wrote:Harpyja wrote:No respec.
If you chose, say, Caldari scout because it shield tanks, then Charlie shouldn't be much of a problem for you at all.
But if you skilled into Caldari because it had the most OP skill bonus, then you most definitely do not deserve a respec.
You should skill for racial preference, not for the best bonus. People skilled into the dropsuits that were available to them, as CCP provided them. The cal scouts OP skill bonus isn't being addressed, it's just moving to a different scout. It's not the players fault something is considered OP. And we shouldn't skill for racial preferences, we should skill for whatever we feel like, based on how we want to play. I'm not advocating any more respecs, I'm just saying that CCP has been changing the game almost on a monthly basis for over a year. Skills have been getting switched, changed, and removed, invalidating player's choices. At what point can we feel safe that "our choices matter"? I agree with you totally. I consider fun as the main ambition of all players. Agree? And now you choose and you skill into what fun is for you, wheter it is a vehicle or a heavy ... And now you build your tactics in order to win and to have fun... But now they are changing so much that your whole strategie doesnt work. Thats why it is unfair. In order to bring a result out of this discussion, i would recommand to critisize CCP-¦s changing behaviour. What do you think? PLEASE GIVE REAL ARGUMENTS FOR YOUR OPINION ! An opinion without any argument is it not worth it and cheap.
Likewise, you don't have the experience to even be aware of what is blatantly op, therefore any opinion you give comes from a lack of experience and therefore, you cannot possibly provide any valid argument.
If you had the experience, you'd have known right off the bat that the caldari scout is going to get a nerf.
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
275
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:12:00 -
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Juedfin90 wrote:Hello dear Community,
i represent some players from germany that wanted to know wheter all Scouts could have an respec of their Dropsuit Skill Tree , special the light frame partition.
Here is the argument:
We spend money and Skill Points into special Scout races because of the bonuses.
Dust 514 ( included the game fun, dropsuits ec. ) in generall is an service delivery.
So you change bonuses for Scouts, and now we doesnt get the attendance we skilled into , and payed into.
Conclusion is that you break the general terms.
So we want this Respec.
(my english isnt that good so try to speak easy and without abbreviation )
kind regardsfrom germany :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
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Pink fluffy unicorns
http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos
Best song ever.
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
230
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:19:00 -
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Juedfin90 has actually been here since 24/2/2013.
That actually makes it worse how he/she couldn't see how blatantly the caldari scout would get nerfed.
Learn anything much?.
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
230
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:21:00 -
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Sabre prime - started 1/10/2013.
Again, how did you not see this coming?.
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
230
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:22:00 -
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So tldr: Waaagh I need my crutch or waagh my inference is that of a 10 year old.
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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Juedfin90
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
0
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:26:00 -
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Likewise, you don't have the experience to even be aware of what is blatantly op, therefore any opinion you give comes from a lack of experience and therefore, you cannot possibly provide any valid argument.
If you had the experience, you'd have known right off the bat that the caldari scout is going to get a nerf.
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I play dust for 2 years and i saw a lot of things getting nerfed,
but after 1.8 i thought that they stop with their behavoiur as they finally brought out all suits ...
it was an mistake like i see now.
I m studing physics and a good friend is studieng law in contect, so i talkes with him about this topic more general
and he gave me just that information that they break the terms and conditions of the general rules of an service supply with that behaviour.
Does someone knows something about that?
" If you aren´t strong, be smart " citation from Sun Zu´s Book Tactics of War
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
281
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:28:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Harpyja wrote:No respec.
If you chose, say, Caldari scout because it shield tanks, then Charlie shouldn't be much of a problem for you at all.
But if you skilled into Caldari because it had the most OP skill bonus, then you most definitely do not deserve a respec.
You should skill for racial preference, not for the best bonus. People skilled into the dropsuits that were available to them, as CCP provided them. The cal scouts OP skill bonus isn't being addressed, it's just moving to a different scout. It's not the players fault something is considered OP. And we shouldn't skill for racial preferences, we should skill for whatever we feel like, based on how we want to play. I'm not advocating any more respecs, I'm just saying that CCP has been changing the game almost on a monthly basis for over a year. Skills have been getting switched, changed, and removed, invalidating player's choices. At what point can we feel safe that "our choices matter"?
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6257465600/h8C03521C/
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Pink fluffy unicorns
http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos
Best song ever.
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RendonaSix
Tech Dungeon Of Servility
230
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:31:00 -
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Likewise, you don't have the experience to even be aware of what is blatantly op, therefore any opinion you give comes from a lack of experience and therefore, you cannot possibly provide any valid argument.
If you had the experience, you'd have known right off the bat that the caldari scout is going to get a nerf.
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I play dust for 2 years and i saw a lot of things getting nerfed,
but after 1.8 i thought that they stop with their behavoiur as they finally brought out all suits ...
it was an mistake like i see now.
I m studing physics and a good friend is studieng law in contect, so i talkes with him about this topic more general
and he gave me just that information that they break the terms and conditions of the general rules of an service supply with that behaviour.
Does someone knows something about that?
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Haha, yes I know a lot actually. Studying doesn't stop with uni my friend.
No they are not, they own the data and have the right to change it how they wish or even simply destroy it. We all signed the electronic contract before we'd even started playing.
Tell your friend that he has a long way to go.
Good luck with your physics.
Amarr scout before it was cool.
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Juedfin90
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
1
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:31:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:Juedfin90 has actually been here since 24/2/2013.
That actually makes it worse how he/she couldn't see how blatantly the caldari scout would get nerfed.
Learn anything much?.
Yes, in future i just skill into core skills ...
" If you aren´t strong, be smart " citation from Sun Zu´s Book Tactics of War
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
293
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:54:00 -
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Juedfin90 wrote:RendonaSix wrote:Juedfin90 has actually been here since 24/2/2013.
That actually makes it worse how he/she couldn't see how blatantly the caldari scout would get nerfed.
Learn anything much?. Yes, in future i just skill into core skills ...
What were your core skills at earlier?
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Juedfin90
BLACK-GUARD
Die Fremdenlegion
3
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Posted - 2014.08.10 13:12:00 -
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All the passive stuff ...
" If you aren´t strong, be smart " citation from Sun Zu´s Book Tactics of War
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
296
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Posted - 2014.08.10 13:31:00 -
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Juedfin90 wrote:All the passive stuff ...
What level...
Max level brony.
Pink fluffy unicorns
http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos
Best song ever.
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
339
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Posted - 2014.08.10 14:49:00 -
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RendonaSix wrote:Sabre prime - started 1/10/2013.
Again, how did you not see this coming?.
I started in september or november 2012, if I remember correctly. Closed beta vet, believe it or not.
But, what does that have to do with me being able to predict what skill bonuses are going to become OP? I'm not some kind of obsessive stats junkie for Dust 514. Just because people have been playing for a long time, does that mean they should be experts at this games mechanics or design? Life is too short for that.
I play an enjoyable computer game, in my spare time, for fun.
Desperate attempt to get BPOs
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
3105
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:06:00 -
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Respec for everyone.. Maybe. Just scouts? Hell no you can thank the fotm chasers. I've been assault since day 1 closed beta.. Ups and downs, it sucks but you gotta deal with it.
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