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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:49:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Raging
Fun Facts
* Heavies are OP.
* Scouts are OP.
* For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam.
* For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:50:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote: Should i start to complain about scouts being OP because they run faster than me?
yes, yes you should these pieces of cancer want to have their cake and eat it too...
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
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MythTanker
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
210
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:00:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:MythTanker wrote:The tears on this thread are delicious... on a serious note, why dont you guys wait till HF charlie? Or is it the fact that you know that the good heavies will stay you would actually have to WORK ON COUNTERS? Either way keep on bitching... I love them tears lol i love tears of heavies who cry "nerf cal scout" "nerf cloak" "nerf shotgun" "nerf remotes" "Waah frisbee remotes" "Waah decloak is too quick" and i even seen"nerf scr" even though it is a shield based weapon. so all you fatties that got my shitz nerfed who's laughing now i have 14 differing scout fits , what do you have hmg fit and forge fit lol so let that fatties tears shed btw i'm willing to fund the founding of a corp called "weight watchers"
1. I never agreed with most of them nerfs true heavies wouldn't.
2. Im not fat, im big boned.
3. I have many different speed, AV, tank, and rep suits. You dont know much about us do you?
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:01:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam.
Exactly. So why not just remove heavys and nerf scouts already? |
Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1226
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:05:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam.
Lol yeah, no bias there. There are just as many scouts that think everything is fine so stop smoking weed in the stables cause your horse is too damn high.
Kill Scotty
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:10:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam.
MOar fun factzz..!!!11!
I believe that the tweaks in charlie will do wonders to address light weapon and FOTM heavies(ps i agree with tweaks)
Cancer(scouts) in their apparently infinite hatred of the heavy CONTINUE TO PLEAD FOR NERFS like the blight they are
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:11:00 -
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Copharus Arkana wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam. Exactly. So why not just remove heavys and nerf scouts already?
OOOOOOR... you could remove yourself 
If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3791
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:18:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam. Lol yeah, no bias there. There are just as many scouts that think everything is fine so stop smoking weed in the stables cause your horse is too damn high.
Don't take my word for it, Mr. Swiss Army.
There's a dense concentration of Scouts who hang out in the Barbershop.
Feel free to swing by the Locker Room and ask around for yourself.
As for Heavies ... have a look at all the relevant threads and balance discussions.
Breakin Stuff, Fox Gaden and Vicious Minotaur shoot straight.
The rest sound like Taki and Spkr discussing HAV balance.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Thurak1
Psygod9
896
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:21:00 -
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Copharus Arkana wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam. Exactly. So why not just remove heavys and nerf scouts already?
Using your logic why have more than 1 dropsuit type? It would make balance so much easier to obtain to just have 1 suit.
Heck why not just 1 weapon also? Make it a really level playing feild everyone only has 1 option. O ya lets get rid of that pesky skill system also because that can provide an unfair edge also. |
Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
1140
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:33:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:i dont give a f*** about HMG's, its heavies with HMG's ON LAV that insta teleport in and out of them making running away or killing them extremely hard task.
2 AV nades, never been easier.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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MythTanker
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
210
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:35:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:i dont give a f*** about HMG's, its heavies with HMG's ON LAV that insta teleport in and out of them making running away or killing them extremely hard task. 2 AV nades, never been easier.
i disagree at one point it was 1 AV nade.... i miss the lolz
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1226
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam. Lol yeah, no bias there. There are just as many scouts that think everything is fine so stop smoking weed in the stables cause your horse is too damn high. Don't take my word for it, Mr. Swiss Army. There's a dense concentration of Scouts who hang out in the Barbershop. Feel free to swing by the Locker Room and ask around for yourself. As for Heavies ... have a look at all the relevant threads and balance discussions. Breakin Stuff, Fox Gaden and Vicious Minotaur shoot straight. The rest sound like Taki and Spkr discussing HAV balance.
You can't base numbers like that on the minority that frequent the forums; sampling bias is the phrase for that. If you think scouts are more righteous than heavies (which would be an illusory correlation) then you obviously haven't noticed that there are as much of one as there is the other stomping the sh!t out of medium suits.
Kill Scotty
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
255
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:42:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Raging Fun Facts* Heavies are OP. * Scouts are OP. * For every 20 Heavies, 19 will tell you that everything is fine and refuse to acknowledge the spam. * For every 20 Scouts, 15 will agree that they're OP then offer suggestions on how to fix the spam. Lol yeah, no bias there. There are just as many scouts that think everything is fine so stop smoking weed in the stables cause your horse is too damn high. Don't take my word for it, Mr. Swiss Army. There's a dense concentration of Scouts who hang out in the Barbershop. Feel free to swing by the Locker Room and ask around for yourself. As for Heavies ... have a look at all the relevant threads and balance discussions. Breakin Stuff, Fox Gaden and Vicious Minotaur shoot straight. The rest sound like Taki and Spkr discussing HAV balance. You can't base numbers like that on the minority that frequent the forums; sampling bias is the phrase for that. If you think scouts are more righteous than heavies (which would be an illusory correlation) then you obviously haven't noticed that there are as much of one as there is the other stomping the sh!t out of medium suits.
People who don't forum at all obviously have no dedication in the game or are not as good or less informed, I've been here since closed beta.
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Pink fluffy unicorns
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Tread Loudly 2
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
26
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:45:00 -
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Hmmmmm well this thread can be summed up in three words :P
Haters gonna hate
I Like Tanks, ADS's, and Ion Pistols!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3793
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Posted - 2014.08.09 17:54:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:
You can't base numbers like that on the minority that frequent the forums; sampling bias is the phrase for that. If you think scouts are more righteous than heavies (which would be an illusory correlation) then you obviously haven't noticed that there are as much of one as there is the other stomping the sh!t out of medium suits.
If CCP polled mercs on balance via in-game mail, I'd agree with you 100%. But until that occurs, the Forums are this community's best bet at pointing out problems. Corroborating in-game usage statistics with forum feedback patterns is a good enough balance barometer for me. Flawed or not, it's all we've got, and it appears to be working now that Rattati's behind the wheel.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1226
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:02:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
You can't base numbers like that on the minority that frequent the forums; sampling bias is the phrase for that. If you think scouts are more righteous than heavies (which would be an illusory correlation) then you obviously haven't noticed that there are as much of one as there is the other stomping the sh!t out of medium suits.
If CCP polled mercs on balance via in-game mail, I'd agree with you 100%. But until that occurs, the Forums are this community's best bet at pointing out problems. Corroborating in-game usage statistics with forum feedback patterns is a good enough balance barometer for me. Flawed or not, it's all we've got, and it appears to be working now that Rattati's behind the wheel.
I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your assertion that 15 out of 20 scouts will admit there is a problem; which cannot be based on the minority that frequent the forums. I'd say "15 out of 20 scouts on the forums will admit there is a problem" is fine but if I said that you'd realize I'm being a pedant about it.
Kill Scotty
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TechMechMeds
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
4050
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:08:00 -
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Tread Loudly 2 wrote:Hmmmmm well this thread can be summed up in three words :P
Haters gonna hate
Or
Mines the biggest.
Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!.
This is unacceptable!.
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TechMechMeds
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
4062
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:09:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
You can't base numbers like that on the minority that frequent the forums; sampling bias is the phrase for that. If you think scouts are more righteous than heavies (which would be an illusory correlation) then you obviously haven't noticed that there are as much of one as there is the other stomping the sh!t out of medium suits.
If CCP polled mercs on balance via in-game mail, I'd agree with you 100%. But until that occurs, the Forums are this community's best bet at pointing out problems. Corroborating in-game usage statistics with forum feedback patterns is a good enough balance barometer for me. Flawed or not, it's all we've got, and it appears to be working now that Rattati's behind the wheel. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your assertion that 15 out of 20 scouts will admit there is a problem; which cannot be based on the minority that frequent the forums. I'd say "15 out of 20 scouts on the forums will admit there is a problem" is fine but if I said that you'd realize I'm being a pedant about it.
I'd say 15/20 of anything are plain sht with me jumping in and out of that category depending on how much I can be bothered to play well.
Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!.
This is unacceptable!.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
268
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:14:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:i dont give a f*** about HMG's, its heavies with HMG's ON LAV that insta teleport in and out of them making running away or killing them extremely hard task.
Really, there's so many ways to counter that... Forge gun kill the jeep while he's in it... Forge him out of the drivers seat... shoot him until he climbs back in and then shoot the drivers seat... proximity explosive/remote explosive... Your very own OP HMG....
The list truly goes on.
Personally I'd like it if instead of heat build up it had a charge time & a turn speed slowdown while firing. |
Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11300
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:15:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Copharus Arkana wrote:
[snip] ... so just remove them already.
If we pulled every item that was ever OP, all we'd have left is Assault Suits, Plasma Cannons and a few really sh*tty sidearms.
Well we'd also have the Commandos.
If I don't, who will?
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3796
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:17:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Thumb Green wrote:
You can't base numbers like that on the minority that frequent the forums; sampling bias is the phrase for that. If you think scouts are more righteous than heavies (which would be an illusory correlation) then you obviously haven't noticed that there are as much of one as there is the other stomping the sh!t out of medium suits.
If CCP polled mercs on balance via in-game mail, I'd agree with you 100%. But until that occurs, the Forums are this community's best bet at pointing out problems. Corroborating in-game usage statistics with forum feedback patterns is a good enough balance barometer for me. Flawed or not, it's all we've got, and it appears to be working now that Rattati's behind the wheel. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your assertion that 15 out of 20 scouts will admit there is a problem; which cannot be based on the minority that frequent the forums. I'd say "15 out of 20 scouts on the forums will admit there is a problem" is fine but if I said that you'd realize I'm being a pedant about it.
Your logic is spot on. I could revise my post as follows for the sake of accuracy:
Fun Facts ... now with more accuracy
* Heavies are OP.
* Scouts are OP.
* 19 / 20 forum-going Heavies insist that everything is fine and refuse to even acknowledge the spam.
* 15 / 20 forum-going Scouts acknowledge that they're broken and are actively seeking to get themselves fixed.
But the point and punch are lost in all that wordiness. Benefits of Brevity foregone. 
Nonetheless, you are 100% correct and have earned a well-deserved +1. Thank you.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Copharus Arkana wrote:
[snip] ... so just remove them already.
If we pulled every item that was ever OP, all we'd have left is Assault Suits, Plasma Cannons and a few really sh*tty sidearms. Well we'd also have the Commandos.
Let me be more clear.
I'm not saying remove heavys because they are OP. I'm saying remove heavys because they serve no tactical point in a game all about tactics. Point defense you say? Anyone can do that, infact scouts can do it better. |
Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
268
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:33:00 -
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Copharus Arkana wrote:Atiim wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Copharus Arkana wrote:
[snip] ... so just remove them already.
If we pulled every item that was ever OP, all we'd have left is Assault Suits, Plasma Cannons and a few really sh*tty sidearms. Well we'd also have the Commandos. Let me be more clear. I'm not saying remove heavys because they are OP. I'm saying remove heavys because they serve no tactical point in a game all about tactics. Point defense you say? Anyone can do that, infact scouts can do it better.
Okay, but if we remove heavys, I want my forge gun on a scout. |
Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
5001
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:37:00 -
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Threadnought-to-be
OP FOTM lacks cognition
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
259
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:52:00 -
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Max level brony.
Pink fluffy unicorns
http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos
Best song ever.
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ladwar
HEARTS OF PHOENIX
2030
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Posted - 2014.08.09 18:54:00 -
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Copharus Arkana wrote:Atiim wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Copharus Arkana wrote:
[snip] ... so just remove them already.
If we pulled every item that was ever OP, all we'd have left is Assault Suits, Plasma Cannons and a few really sh*tty sidearms. Well we'd also have the Commandos. Let me be more clear. I'm not saying remove heavys because they are OP. I'm saying remove heavys because they serve no tactical point in a game all about tactics. Point defense you say? Anyone can do that, infact scouts can do it better.
Point defense isnt objective defense... Your point is invalid. Btw i use both regularly
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
766
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Posted - 2014.08.09 20:37:00 -
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Copharus Arkana wrote:Atiim wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Copharus Arkana wrote:
[snip] ... so just remove them already.
If we pulled every item that was ever OP, all we'd have left is Assault Suits, Plasma Cannons and a few really sh*tty sidearms. Well we'd also have the Commandos. Let me be more clear. I'm not saying remove heavys because they are OP. I'm saying remove heavys because they serve no tactical point in a game all about tactics. Point defense you say? Anyone can do that, infact scouts can do it better.
So a heavy *can* do that! Nerf the scout and a heavy most definitely will do it better. I think they do now anyway, but you debate that point and that's your prerogative. It is moot when you consider that scouts too are OP. If we manage to make a scout a scout again, and create some sort of penalty to balance them both (perhaps in the shape of an assault suit that will mess you up in groups), then heavies will fulfil a tactical role.
Do you not remember pre-1.8? Do you not remember AR-514? We're going back to that....now with added HP.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Thurak1
Psygod9
900
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Posted - 2014.08.09 20:41:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Copharus Arkana wrote:Atiim wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Copharus Arkana wrote:
[snip] ... so just remove them already.
If we pulled every item that was ever OP, all we'd have left is Assault Suits, Plasma Cannons and a few really sh*tty sidearms. Well we'd also have the Commandos. Let me be more clear. I'm not saying remove heavys because they are OP. I'm saying remove heavys because they serve no tactical point in a game all about tactics. Point defense you say? Anyone can do that, infact scouts can do it better. So a heavy *can* do that! Nerf the scout and a heavy most definitely will do it better. I think they do now anyway, but you debate that point and that's your prerogative. It is moot when you consider that scouts too are OP. If we manage to make a scout a scout again, and create some sort of penalty to balance them both (perhaps in the shape of an assault suit that will mess you up in groups), then heavies will fulfil a tactical role. Do you not remember pre-1.8? Do you not remember AR-514? We're going back to that....now with added HP.
I remember ar514
Lol I still have proto ar because of it. Back then running a heavy with proto ar was amazing. I had just about everything except speed. I had great range great ROF good accuracy and good ehps. I could take out nearly any suit within 100 meters.
Now its all about the rail rifle. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
766
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Posted - 2014.08.09 20:46:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
Do you not remember pre-1.8? Do you not remember AR-514? We're going back to that....now with added HP.
I remember ar514 Lol I still have proto ar because of it. Back then running a heavy with proto ar was amazing. I had just about everything except speed. I had great range great ROF good accuracy and good ehps. I could take out nearly any suit within 100 meters. Now its all about the rail rifle.
Yeah I guess I meant rifles specifically in the hands of assault suits - that's what AR-514 means to me ;-)
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1946
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Posted - 2014.08.09 21:04:00 -
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To become good as a heavy, you need 2 things- 7 million SP, and the ability to hold down R1.
The nerfs in Charlie are going to make it so that you need 9 million SP now instead. Thats it.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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