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Bone Scratcher The dyst0pian Corporation 54	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote WHAT!? What are you thinking CCP? I fly ADS, with the occasional HAV. From my PoV, they needed a buff if anything. I know that an ADS' AB escapes swarm launchers, but even against tanks they lack the necessary firepower. The militia, basic, and advanced swarms are getting a buff, and that's great, but the proto deserved at least a range bonus as well. I feel so bad for swarmers. Source Proto FG/HMG Amarr Sentinel. CCP's Problem
Mr Hakyou 105	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:01:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed. Everyone is off complaining about heavies and scouts and I'm here just looking at the Swarms nerf. Hotfix Charlie
Bone Scratcher The dyst0pian Corporation 54	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:02:00 - [3] - Quote I mean, were there ANY complaints about overpowered swarms at all? I haven't heard any. Proto FG/HMG Amarr Sentinel. CCP's Problem
BL4CKST4R LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 2874	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:03:00 - [4] - Quote Bone Scratcher wrote: WHAT!? What are you thinking CCP? I fly ADS, with the occasional HAV. From my PoV, they needed a buff if anything. I know that an ADS' AB escapes swarm launchers, but even against tanks they lack the necessary firepower. The militia, basic, and advanced swarms are getting a buff, and that's great, but the proto deserved at least a range bonus as well. I feel so bad for swarmers. Source Higher damage per missile will cause more shaking. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Mr Hakyou 105	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:03:00 - [5] - Quote Swarms are literally a joke... when ADSing I laugh them off and fly away. Hotfix Charlie
Bone Scratcher The dyst0pian Corporation 54	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:08:00 - [6] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Bone Scratcher wrote: WHAT!? What are you thinking CCP? I fly ADS, with the occasional HAV. From my PoV, they needed a buff if anything. I know that an ADS' AB escapes swarm launchers, but even against tanks they lack the necessary firepower. The militia, basic, and advanced swarms are getting a buff, and that's great, but the proto deserved at least a range bonus as well. I feel so bad for swarmers. Source Higher damage per missile will cause more shaking. Swarms barely cause any shaking. I don't think 40ish% more is going to be that much. Proto FG/HMG Amarr Sentinel. CCP's Problem
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 702	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:10:00 - [7] - Quote STD and ADV swarms are getting buffed. PRO swarms are getting a small nerf (about 100 odd damage.) Overall, swarms will be more dangerous: that is, ADV/STD swarms will be almost as dangerous as PRO ones, which means well likely see more being fielded. Alt of Halla Murr.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3797	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:13:00 - [8] - Quote They only nerfed Proto tbh. However, having less missiles means knocked around(and that's the only way I kill ADS) The STD is getting a noticeable buff and the ADV a slightly less noticeable one as well(gains dmg but loses 1 rocket) Though I agree with you, still not sure why they nerfed the PRO SL. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Bone Scratcher The dyst0pian Corporation 54	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:13:00 - [9] - Quote The proto swarms didn't need a nerf is what I'm saying. Actually, they should've gotten a range buff. Proto FG/HMG Amarr Sentinel. CCP's Problem
Sly Marb0 Screaming Falcons 5	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:15:00 - [10] - Quote The big problem with swarms is the DS running off after a volley. It's also the only way for DS the escape. Higher damage means more shake. Follow up shots become easier and escaping becomes more of a test of piloting then simply afterburner away while still giving the DS a chance. As a PC Galmando I appreciate the heavy shake from less numerous but heavier hits, so what few times I do hit a DS flying, they cannot ignore me or they will likely run into something.

Bone Scratcher The dyst0pian Corporation 54	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:18:00 - [11] - Quote Sly Marb0 wrote: The big problem with swarms is the DS running off after a volley. It's also the only way for DS the escape. Higher damage means more shake. Follow up shots become easier and escaping becomes more of a test of piloting then simply afterburner away while still giving the DS a chance. As a PC Galmando I appreciate the heavy shake from less numerous but heavier hits, so what few times I do hit a DS flying, they cannot ignore me or they will likely run into something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLhccY40zj4 Proto FG/HMG Amarr Sentinel. CCP's Problem
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3204	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:49:00 - [12] - Quote The reason they nerfed the proto swarm was because of the buff to std and adv. This means that AV won't have to lvl up to proto to be effective. They can always make more adjustments later if need be. This is how a minja feels
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2681	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: The reason they nerfed the proto swarm was because of the buff to std and adv. This means that AV won't have to lvl up to proto to be effective. They can always make more adjustments later if need be. I think overall this will cause a net increase in total AV DPS dealt, since people who don't run proto swarms will be quite a bit more effective now. Besides the nerf is actually pretty small. Also don't forget the increase of total ammo, which will also help a bit as well.
Zindorak 1.U.P 269	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:57:00 - [14] - Quote I hope they get nerfed so my ADS will be safe Pokemon master
Bone Scratcher The dyst0pian Corporation 55	Posted - 2014.08.08 01:00:00 - [15] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I hope they get nerfed so my ADS will be safe My ADS never gets killed by swarms. It's always forges & militia tanks. Proto FG/HMG Amarr Sentinel. CCP's Problem
Zindorak 1.U.P 269	Posted - 2014.08.08 01:26:00 - [16] - Quote Bone Scratcher wrote: Zindorak wrote: I hope they get nerfed so my ADS will be safe My ADS never gets killed by swarms. It's always forges & militia tanks. That too must be nerfed Pokemon master
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 275	Posted - 2014.08.08 09:27:00 - [17] - Quote calm your mamaries gents.. the swarms are getting a slight overall buff if you consider the damage module buff, more dmg per missile (but cut to 4 missiles) but damage is actually slightly better then they used to be > LogiBro in Training
H0riz0n Unlimit Inner.Hell 106	Posted - 2014.08.08 10:11:00 - [18] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: calm your mamaries gents.. the swarms are getting a slight overall buff if you consider the damage module buff, more dmg per missile (but cut to 4 missiles) but damage is actually slightly better then they used to be They will always complain, doesnt matter they buff or they nerf swarm, in their opinion is always a nerf Tanker since I was born -- Want back my blaster -- Madrugar 1125/6753 -- Reduce weakspot dimension
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2037	Posted - 2014.08.08 11:59:00 - [19] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: One Eyed King wrote: The reason they nerfed the proto swarm was because of the buff to std and adv. This means that AV won't have to lvl up to proto to be effective. They can always make more adjustments later if need be. I think overall this will cause a net increase in total AV DPS dealt, since people who don't run proto swarms will be quite a bit more effective now. Besides the nerf is actually pretty small. Also don't forget the increase of total ammo, which will also help a bit as well. While this is true, losing DPS and gaining ammo still counts as a nerf vs any vehicle that can out-distance them quickly (ie: every vehicle). Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 707	Posted - 2014.08.08 12:16:00 - [20] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: While this is true, losing DPS and gaining ammo still counts as a nerf vs any vehicle that can out-distance them quickly (ie: every vehicle). Except STD/ADV are both gaining DPS. Alt of Halla Murr.

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2748	Posted - 2014.08.08 12:24:00 - [21] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Bone Scratcher wrote: WHAT!? What are you thinking CCP? I fly ADS, with the occasional HAV. From my PoV, they needed a buff if anything. I know that an ADS' AB escapes swarm launchers, but even against tanks they lack the necessary firepower. The militia, basic, and advanced swarms are getting a buff, and that's great, but the proto deserved at least a range bonus as well. I feel so bad for swarmers. Source Higher damage per missile will cause more shaking. Explain flaylocks, they knock things around far more. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 708	Posted - 2014.08.08 12:29:00 - [22] - Quote Spademan wrote: Explain flaylocks, they knock things around far more. They've got to do something well! Alt of Halla Murr.
Bone Scratcher The dyst0pian Corporation 57	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:00:00 - [23] - Quote Spademan wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Bone Scratcher wrote: WHAT!? What are you thinking CCP? I fly ADS, with the occasional HAV. From my PoV, they needed a buff if anything. I know that an ADS' AB escapes swarm launchers, but even against tanks they lack the necessary firepower. The militia, basic, and advanced swarms are getting a buff, and that's great, but the proto deserved at least a range bonus as well. I feel so bad for swarmers. Source Higher damage per missile will cause more shaking. Explain flaylocks, they knock things around far more. You mean those garbage pistols that were nerfed way back? Those things are absolutely useless. The missiles don't even go nearly far enough to hit a dropship. Proto FG/HMG Amarr Sentinel. CCP's Problem
Tread Loudly 2 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 26	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:19:00 - [24] - Quote Well as of right now swarms are pretty OP especially if you run a minmando with Proficiency 2 or higher swarms. However I do agree with the nerf/buff to swarms for a few reasons: - They need to carry more ammo which this update will help with -It's far too difficult to break a highly skilled ads's/tanks shield if they are shield stacking which this update will help with - Often times not all the swarms hit the target so I'd like the swarms that do hit to pack a bigger punch So I actually think this is a buff not a nerf based off of the numbers and my experiences with swarms. I Like Tanks, ADS's, and Ion Pistols!
TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn Going for the gold 49	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:01:00 - [25] - Quote Swarms are just useless IMO, a full clip of an assault forge gun will take down ANY dropship, but it's tricky to hit with all 4 shots sometimes and requires training. Shotgunner for life. EDIT: Scratch that, I love my lasers.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3798	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:31:00 - [26] - Quote Tread Loudly 2 wrote: Well as of right now swarms are pretty OP... My proficiency 5 swarms have many qualities, but "OP" is certainly not among them. I'm glad you think they're great though; you're welcome to borrow them if you'd like. They'll be collecting Dust in my locker, right next to the big pile of useless salvage. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3898	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:42:00 - [27] - Quote STD/ADV swarms get a buff and PRO swarms a very slight nerf. However with the new 7% damage mods are more then capable to balance this out. And if you havent used damage mods with swarms then you are doing something terribly wrong. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 405	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:55:00 - [28] - Quote That change is a small tweak so swarms won't blind the pilot/gunner so much and so swarms won't kick back a dropship like a mule. I think it's a brilliant change. Buffed std and adv swarms and pro gets a very small nerf. It's genius Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Tread Loudly 2 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 27	Posted - 2014.08.09 19:44:00 - [29] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Tread Loudly 2 wrote: Well as of right now swarms are pretty OP... My proficiency 5 swarms have many qualities, but "OP" is certainly not among them. I'm glad you think they're great though; you're welcome to borrow them if you'd like. They'll be collecting Dust in my locker, right next to the big pile of useless salvage. No need to borrow I already have them and use them on a regular basis on my minmando so I've seen the destructive power and in my opinion are either border line OP or just plain OP I Like Tanks, ADS's, and Ion Pistols!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3798	Posted - 2014.08.09 20:16:00 - [30] - Quote Tread Loudly 2 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Tread Loudly 2 wrote: Well as of right now swarms are pretty OP... My proficiency 5 swarms have many qualities, but "OP" is certainly not among them. I'm glad you think they're great though; you're welcome to borrow them if you'd like. They'll be collecting Dust in my locker, right next to the big pile of useless salvage. No need to borrow I already have them and use them on a regular basis on my minmando so I've seen the destructive power and in my opinion are either border line OP or just plain OP Since it'd be inappropriate to call you a liar ... :: Points to Expert Challenge Results :: Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley



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