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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.09 20:23:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:While this is true, losing DPS and gaining ammo still counts as a nerf vs any vehicle that can out-distance them quickly (ie: every vehicle). Except STD/ADV are both gaining DPS.
Which means noting, as they'll still be less effective than the PRO Swarm.
That's like nerfing a Core Flaylock to 200HP of damage, then making the GN-13 deal 190HP and calling it a buff.
If I don't, who will?
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2014.08.10 09:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:While this is true, losing DPS and gaining ammo still counts as a nerf vs any vehicle that can out-distance them quickly (ie: every vehicle). Except STD/ADV are both gaining DPS. Which means noting, as they'll still be less effective than the PRO Swarm. That's like nerfing a Core Flaylock to 200HP of damage, then making the GN-13 deal 190HP and calling it a buff.
Which means plenty.
ADV should be effective: it will be much more effective post-Charlie. PRO was brought down because the gap was enormous before and bringing the other up and keeping PRO the same would've been ridiculous.
Swarms currently are effective. I run no Proficiency CBR-7s and I do fine. Do I kill evey vehicle? Nope, but I do drive them away, which is why you get damage points.
If you want to kill a vehicle in 2-3 volleys then you most definitely don't get to get 150+ WP from just damage as well as the destruction. Killing a vehicle is hard, certainly, but it's not undoable and AV is no longer insufficient in terms of WP. And Charlie is a buff for the more accessible tiers of Swarms. For the game overall,this is a good thing.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.10 10:28:00 -
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It seems like any swarms kill my ADS in 3 shots if I cannot get away. Seeing as I'm paying half a mill for them and they require a large amount of skill points all over the place, I think they do need a nerf instead of the buff they are getting.
G.L.O.R.Y solider,
Master of the Gallente Heavy
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
1146
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Posted - 2014.08.10 16:16:00 -
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Bone Scratcher wrote:Zindorak wrote:I hope they get nerfed so my ADS will be safe My ADS never gets killed by swarms. It's always forges & militia tanks. 
Psh, the only thing that can kill my ADS are those swarms. Usually do to knock back. At least with a forge or tank I can dodge the shot, swarms I have to spend much of my time outrunning them.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
448
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Posted - 2014.08.10 16:32:00 -
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With the number, it's actually a nerf to ADS as lower class swarms will be hitting harder and in higher numbers. With the light damage mod changes the Swarms will also being doing more damage.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1034
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Posted - 2014.08.11 04:55:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:STD/ADV swarms get a buff and PRO swarms a very slight nerf. However with the new 7% damage mods are more then capable to balance this out. And if you havent used damage mods with swarms then you are doing something terribly wrong.
Anyone who will use damage mods already uses them , a 2.5% in the complex mods will not make up for the 7 or 8% nerf to swarms. The increased ammo though is a buff. From a vehicle users perspective swarms are being buffed, the lower tiers will not be so easy to just ignore. I asked for this change so I can't really complain but those hurt are the dedicated swarmers who skilled into them. We get nerfed and our competition for WP increases. I am taking a wait and see approach but I am scared we may have upset the balance we have.
Because, that's why.
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Will Driver
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:11:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:STD and ADV swarms are getting buffed.
PRO swarms are getting a small nerf (about 100 odd damage.)
Overall, swarms will be more dangerous: that is, ADV/STD swarms will be almost as dangerous as PRO ones, which means well likely see more being fielded.
Even proto swarms are ineffective. I like the idea of buffing militia and advanced, but the nerf to proto makes no sense at all. Everything needs to come up another step, IMHO.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
409
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Posted - 2014.08.12 02:54:00 -
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Bone Scratcher wrote:WHAT!? What are you thinking CCP? I fly ADS, with the occasional HAV. From my PoV, they needed a buff if anything. I know that an ADS' AB escapes swarm launchers, but even against tanks they lack the necessary firepower. The militia, basic, and advanced swarms are getting a buff, and that's great, but the proto deserved at least a range bonus as well. I feel so bad for swarmers.  Source
its only a nerf of like... 20 total damage with up to 3 damage modules.. with Min-mando i think you actually GAIN some damage
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