ADS are ADV vehicles. Thats why they cost only 300k.
Yes. They are cheap.
You can get out from AVs with afterburner. No big deal.


But you guys know that driving in tanks is more expensive?
They cost same as fited ADS but they are wrecked 3x time easier.

500 shields will have minimal effect on suitability.

Lets just NOT talk about it.

Freaking ADS can wreak 30-0 in a game with 0 av or mlt av they should cost more...

BTW i now have a ADS pilot Character in training. Cal ADS rocks.

Yes. and no. here is a chart for the python builds in bravo compared to Charlie. Pythons will take 1 more Hit to kill., however the hardened Python will gain more than other builds. BUT this is balanced by the engagement window of the hardener.

Yes. and no. here is a chart for the python builds in bravo compared to Charlie. Pythons will take 1 more Hit to kill., however the hardened Python will gain more than other builds. BUT this is balanced by the engagement window of the hardener.

I wish the graphics weren't blurry on my phone. Yes the hardened Python gets a significant boost from this, but unhardened EHP doesn't reach the HP of a hardened Python in bravo. And personally, not all my fittings have hardeners, I actually see quite a few people running without them.

A lot of others seem to forget though that shield regen rate is not changing, this means slightly longer disengagement to regen shields as well.

Edit: that tag is sexy though ;)

Thanks for liking my new tag sexyness :). The hardened python is the tankiest fit, but limited by that hardener cooldown. You are almost a OHK to some forges when unhardened. I run the hardened fit all the time. Its the strongest for my style of hit and run and tank hunting. If that hardener is down though and you are a dead man.

There is no mention of it in the Charlie Hotfix notes. So not happening in Charlie.

When getting insta ganked by multiple installatons from 2000m away 500 hp is nothing

Seriously 2000m!?

At one point the missile installation did damage to the mcc. The mcc flew around too.

Mommy, look!

Poor people!

My OP was asking if the ISK reduction was coming. Just makes it hard for new pilots.

But imo. The regen of vehicles is too much ( armor shield ). I go one on one we a ADS and throw 5-6 volleys to nearly kill them. They go outside my range for 10-15 secs and come back. By that time my ammo and nanites are going to ****.

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Good point, I guess all the proto scouts I see going 40+ and 0 should pay half a million ISK for every fitting as well...or maybe we don't try to justify price according to KDR...just a thought.

Yeah I remember the mcc moving because I was around for that but when were the missle installations doing damage to the mcc? This is the first time I heard it.

An Incubus will tear you down in no time. If 500 shields is that big of a deal to people... Damn.

it happened in mordus private trials which was a couple months after skirm 1.0

i rememeber because i would get pissed at my gunners and they would reply, "But i'm getting WP"

also there was a guy famous for repping the MCC with a dropship

lol so unfair to rep your mcc... wait never nind that because if player want to stay off field and be productive then bring back logi vehicules. that way most people can get off snipers d***s and let the real snipers look for good vantage points all the while let extras go heal the mcc..

wow bro don't kill the messenger.. besides repping MCC is not coming back anyway.

reading the comments I`m going to repeat the issues on both sides to make a point:

issue 1: KDR of 30/0

isseu 2: ADS are expensive

issue 3: Python vs Incumbus (with a railgun that makes sense though since Python are sheild based and railguns are AV with a slight +to sheilds).

ADS needs to be cheapened so they could be used more oftenly and AV need to take them down easily. AV (AS A ROLE) that means they get as much chances to be used as a role as a dropship pilot THEY ARE BOTH ROLES no more "oh a vehicle, wheres a depot I need to switch for a few moments" or a "well I lost to much cash gonna have to use starter fits for a few battles" would you play a logi only when a depot was close and some one was downed? with the combonation of both AV shooting down ADS/DS and getting more vehcile encounters they fluorish as a role and get the deserved SP returns while ADS get to be played as a role (becuse it is one).

issues to get through:

pilots biggest issue are the dumb stuff like bolases, magnitism to street lights, landing gear etc, thoose aren`t going to get fixed anytime soon and with AV suggesting to be stronger above the cash drop is important but another issue is, how effective is the AV, I want AV don`t get me wrong but not to the point where a ADS can`t do its job either, if instead of boosting AV and G2A only AV would be a good salution since it makes AV able to take down ADS/DS as a tool to a role without boosting all AV (which to note couses problems to other vehicles everytime) while thoose fonny AV can puch back ADS but not effectivly so ADS can get it good enough.

so that means: new suggested G2A AV weapon super effective against ADS/DS to allow: ADS/DA to be used offtenly, to be killed offtenly, to be usefull often enough, both roles are happy and both roles are roles, no more non-sense.

when people use swarms (-20 shields/+20) armor against shield dropships who have natural extra 20% resistance to missiles (I think)

The only damage multiplier for swarms of all types against shield dropships is 0.8. This applies to all dropship shields. No dropships has a 0.6 multiplier against shields.

So they fixed it?

Yes. and no. here is a chart for the python builds in bravo compared to Charlie. Pythons will take 1 more Hit to kill., however the hardened Python will gain more than other builds. BUT this is balanced by the engagement window of the hardener.

It may be too much. Im watching it closely and will make sure CCP know ASAP if its OP.

EDIT: chart link updated to correct URL