-Organised AV play in combination with vehicles:
This might sound blasphemic but combining the mobility of a LAV/dropship with the firepower of forgeguns is devestating. However you will need a talented driver/pilot for this. If you do this with at least 2 forgegunners you can counter all vehicles without issues. The key is to actually get BEHIND a tank and follow it with some safety distance, once it stops moving you jump out with your buddy and start shoting the tank. Be sure to quickly escape with your vehicle once the job is done or angry infantry will come after you.

Out of all options the last one is the strategy which is the most successfull. You could argue about coordinated breach forgeguns but in most cases they just suck due to their long charge time. It is not the issue that AV doesnt work its more of a problem that people dont actually try to kill vehicles. Teamwork is the key and it is a joy to hunt tanks with a LAV.

Not giving an opportunity to leave is unfair, because the pilot has no time to react and as soon as you begin engaging him, his best option is to abondon ship. As much as you and I both like blowing vehickes up Atiim, if your aren't given an opportunity to retreat why bother with vehicles at all?

I'm not saying they shouldn't have an opportunity to escape, I'm saying they shouldn't have a guarantee to escape.

But also, idiots only balance for PC

You forgot the 5th option

Cry on the forums to nerf vehicles and anything to do with vehicles to make them useless in PC because idiots only balance for pubs

This advocates the ideal that a Vehicle pilot should never be put at a significant risk for loosing their vehicle.

Do I need to get into why this is terrible game design, again?

So, on a skirmish map with lots of objectives that need defended, you should have several people per tank dedicated to taking out just one player?

Yeah, sounds legit.

So, on a skirmish map with lots of objectives that need defended, you should have several people per tank dedicated to taking out just one player?

Yeah, sounds legit.

Ah, please remember to only do 1v1 when you do infantry vs infantry fights because 2v1 would be both unbalanced (because you need to use 2 against 1) and also wasting 1 or more mercs. They could be doing something useful you know, like killing someone else, or hacking an objective, etc...

So, if you refuse to do 2v1 against vehicles to kill them faster and more easily, remember to also refuse to do 2v1 against infantry.

Seems like the point went straight over your head. 1v2 infantry makes it easier for the pair to kill a the 1, not a NECESSITY like 1 vehicle against 2+ AV.

Alot of people complain that vehicles are "too hard to kill" cause they retreat at the slightest sign of AV. The problem here is that allmost nobody has actually the balls to hunt them down. Which means you play AV for the entire match just to blow them up. Another problem is nobody bothers to actually team up or use existing resources and knowledge avaible. So lets talk about how to play AV:

-the stationary rock with a forgegun:
this is by far the most common way that AV players are chosing. Sitting in a spot and waiting for a vehicle to come by. Problem is that this method is easy to predict and aswell easy to counter. Which is basically wasting resources.

-The suicidal moron:
be it a heavy that runs stright at a tank or a medium frame with a swarm launcher. Attacking vehicles while there is hostile infantry around them is just suicidal and again waste of ISK cause you will die.

-Stealth AV:
Scouts with swarm launchers trying to sneak past infantry and attacking hostile vehicles. This can work but most of the time the ADS or tank will be aible to escape 8 out of 10 times.

-Organised AV play in combination with vehicles:
This might sound blasphemic but combining the mobility of a LAV/dropship with the firepower of forgeguns is devestating. However you will need a talented driver/pilot for this. If you do this with at least 2 forgegunners you can counter all vehicles without issues. The key is to actually get BEHIND a tank and follow it with some safety distance, once it stops moving you jump out with your buddy and start shoting the tank. Be sure to quickly escape with your vehicle once the job is done or angry infantry will come after you.

Out of all options the last one is the strategy which is the most successfull. You could argue about coordinated breach forgeguns but in most cases they just suck due to their long charge time. It is not the issue that AV doesnt work its more of a problem that people dont actually try to kill vehicles. Teamwork is the key and it is a joy to hunt tanks with a LAV.

This advocates the ideal that a Vehicle pilot should never be put at a significant risk for loosing their vehicle.

Do I need to get into why this is terrible game design, again?

I have yet met a vehicle pilot I couldn't blow up.

So, on a skirmish map with lots of objectives that need defended, you should have several people per tank dedicated to taking out just one player?

Yeah, sounds legit.

have you forgotten our little skirmish fight already?

you spent half the game going after my madrugar with swarms and I kept killing you with my railgun, you have never killed my tanks before.

Oh that? that was about 2 months ago; I was being cheap that day since I was trying to get more flight hours in but ADS are rather expensive. Skinweave Logi with Dren Launcher with hives racks up quite a bit of WP for higher isk payouts.

You specifically only got me once with the railgun; the other guy nailed me about 3 times.

Oh that? that was about 2 months ago; I was being cheap that day since I was trying to get more flight hours in but ADS are rather expensive. Skinweave Logi with Dren Launcher with hives racks up quite a bit of WP for higher isk payouts.

You specifically only got me once with the railgun; the other guy nailed me about 3 times.

And since when has 2+ AV against 1 vehicle been a necessity? I can name a lot of AV players that can kill any vehicle pilot all on their own. Maybe not succeeding in doing that every time, but then again infantry doesn't always succeed in killing infantry either.

No the reason people complain about vehicles retreating, is beause most people assume that AVing should only require one application and that suppressing a vehicle is a bad thing.

If you are AV your job is not to destroy vehicles, but stop vehicles from slaughtering your team.
Destroying them is only a perk not a necessity.

When I was in TRUE TEA BAGGERS we would all have an AV nade fit that we could call out and 4-6 people rushing a tank all throwing AV nades makes that tank disappear right quick.