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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:28:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Alot of people complain that vehicles are "too hard to kill" cause they retreat at the slightest sign of AV. The problem here is that allmost nobody has actually the balls to hunt them down. Which means you play AV for the entire match just to blow them up. Another problem is nobody bothers to actually team up or use existing resources and knowledge avaible. So lets talk about how to play AV:
-the stationary rock with a forgegun: this is by far the most common way that AV players are chosing. Sitting in a spot and waiting for a vehicle to come by. Problem is that this method is easy to predict and aswell easy to counter. Which is basically wasting resources.
-The suicidal moron: be it a heavy that runs stright at a tank or a medium frame with a swarm launcher. Attacking vehicles while there is hostile infantry around them is just suicidal and again waste of ISK cause you will die.
-Stealth AV: Scouts with swarm launchers trying to sneak past infantry and attacking hostile vehicles. This can work but most of the time the ADS or tank will be aible to escape 8 out of 10 times.
-Organised AV play in combination with vehicles: This might sound blasphemic but combining the mobility of a LAV/dropship with the firepower of forgeguns is devestating. However you will need a talented driver/pilot for this. If you do this with at least 2 forgegunners you can counter all vehicles without issues. The key is to actually get BEHIND a tank and follow it with some safety distance, once it stops moving you jump out with your buddy and start shoting the tank. Be sure to quickly escape with your vehicle once the job is done or angry infantry will come after you.
Out of all options the last one is the strategy which is the most successfull. You could argue about coordinated breach forgeguns but in most cases they just suck due to their long charge time. It is not the issue that AV doesnt work its more of a problem that people dont actually try to kill vehicles. Teamwork is the key and it is a joy to hunt tanks with a LAV.
No the reason people complain about vehicles retreating, is beause most people assume that AVing should only require one application and that suppressing a vehicle is a bad thing.
If you are AV your job is not to destroy vehicles, but stop vehicles from slaughtering your team. Destroying them is only a perk not a necessity.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Scuse me but the suicidal moron gets the job done far too often.
Indeed they do, mostly because the tanker is to busy blasting to hear allmtje RE's strapped to his back. Heh heh tank go bye bye!
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.08.03 01:45:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Destroying them is only a perk not a necessity.
This advocates the ideal that a Vehicle pilot should never be put at a significant risk for loosing their vehicle. Do I need to get into why this is terrible game design, again?
Oh no there is most certainly a risk, but a good enough pilot will retreat before that risk can be realised. After all if they disappear of to the redline to lick their wounds your job as AV has been successful.
You are a deterrent, which necetates you being a threat.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.08.03 10:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Atiim wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Destroying them is only a perk not a necessity.
This advocates the ideal that a Vehicle pilot should never be put at a significant risk for loosing their vehicle. Do I need to get into why this is terrible game design, again? Oh no there is most certainly a risk, but a good enough pilot will retreat before that risk can be realised. After all if they disappear of to the redline to lick their wounds your job as AV has been successful. You are a deterrent, which necessitates you being a threat. If I can execute a list of tasks which ensure success, (for example, using the AB after getting hit), then no I am not at risk for loosing my vehicle because I will never lose it, and I am aware of that. The buffs to the Python in Hotfix Charlie will easily make a good example of the above.
I am against the python buffs in Charlie, but let's look at now most dropships will require 4/5 shots from a swarm launcher, which requires a reload, as pilot you are given an opportunity to retreat at this point.
Staying beyond this point causes the death of your dropship more often than not, afterburners included. If you were not at Risk of loosing your vehicle you wouldn't leave in the first place.
Not giving an opportunity to leave is unfair, because the pilot has no time to react and as soon as you begin engaging him, his best option is to abondon ship. As much as you and I both like blowing vehickes Atiim, if your aren't given an opportunity to retreat why bother with vehicles at all?
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.08.03 15:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Monkey MAC wrote: Not giving an opportunity to leave is unfair, because the pilot has no time to react and as soon as you begin engaging him, his best option is to abondon ship. As much as you and I both like blowing vehickes up Atiim, if your aren't given an opportunity to retreat why bother with vehicles at all?
I'm not saying they shouldn't have an opportunity to escape, I'm saying they shouldn't have a guarantee to escape.
Escape isn't guaranteed, but there is plenty of opportunity for a pilot knows when to escape!
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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