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Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2600	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:51:00 - [1] - Quote Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4591	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:02:00 - [2] - Quote My feeling is that this is a problem with human nature. You could power up sniping and that would help with the competitive game, but it would encourage player laziness in pubs as seen here. As the vast majority of games ARE pubs, is it not better to simply throw the role of sniping under the bus for the time being? The only real fix I see is that if one team is displaying such incredible levels of incompetence, games need to end faster.
ZB DeLong Nyain San 60	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:14:00 - [3] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? I like this. You make some excellent points. Counter sniping is rare. Just doesn't happen enough. The people who do snipe are 80% blues. The other 20% know what they're doing. To the other 20% o/ (who actually help the team, like sniping a point the whole game. Keeping it unhacked) Been fighting this war since beta. When can I go home and see my family again? Will I survive this brutality? :)
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:39:00 - [4] - Quote Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:49:00 - [5] - Quote Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 883	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:52:00 - [6] - Quote Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:53:00 - [7] - Quote "Is a display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking" Officially my new signature. As soon as I change it. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 3341	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:54:00 - [8] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? I'd say search youtube for Nod Keras. That'll give you an idea. Want ISK? I'm giving it away!
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2604	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:58:00 - [9] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? Watch it again. I clearly say the poor map design has not left many good spots and that snipers are forced into bad spots and this is not their fault. But seven guys sniping from a roof ignoring the snipers that even the ground troops managed to spot? Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2604	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:02:00 - [10] - Quote IB4 Takahiro who will say me just because the world is hard to understand for him. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:04:00 - [11] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask? Children may not have any depth of insight into the game, such as the constraints of team resources during battle. They may play from an entirely subjective perspective without an objective overview of what is happening on the field and how they may best contribute to a victory. There is nothing wrong with playing for fun and getting what you want out of the game without regard to anyone else's welfare. The battlefield is punishing enough. If judge wants to punish them further for their actions that is a corrective action made under a set of morals which those subject to it may not share. In other words, anybody can do whatever the hell they want. There is no established code of conduct. That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite of how insignificant their contribution may look to me. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 258	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:09:00 - [12] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? I've actually seen some pretty good Combat/Counter Sniping a few times. Dude was running Caldari Commando. Legionhares Unite!
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:12:00 - [13] - Quote Clone D wrote: That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me. Sorry, I misread, I thought you were saying that a lot of adults take to sniping because they can't compete with the kids on the battlefield.... A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 884	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:15:00 - [14] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: .....Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? Watch it again. I clearly say the poor map design has not left many good spots and that snipers are forced into bad spots and this is not their fault. But seven guys sniping from a roof ignoring the snipers that even the ground troops managed to spot? Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Then again, the other team would have needed a dropship to get up there, which would have been pretty hard to ignore really... Mmm... Unless they were there first, then the allies positioned at the top of the tower. And, yes, you state that snipers have few locations to shoot from, then complain that because they're using one of those locations that happens to be the best one from all the options, that they are suddenly douches. Double standard it is. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:19:00 - [15] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Clone D wrote: That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me. Sorry, I misread, I thought you were saying that a lot of adults take to sniping because they can't compete with the kids on the battlefield.... Haha, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened, but that wasn't the intent of my original message. I was rather ambiguous on why I brought up the subject of age, and therefore I am an idiot. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2604	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:24:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Liftrasir Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:35:00 - [17] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? I say that the dropship pilot who brought the drop uplinks to the top of the tower is the real ******* in this story. I bet it was you, just so that you could lure the poor blueberries there to get "good" footage.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 158	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:43:00 - [18] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? =tears Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 42	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:45:00 - [19] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: .....Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? Watch it again. I clearly say the poor map design has not left many good spots and that snipers are forced into bad spots and this is not their fault. But seven guys sniping from a roof ignoring the snipers that even the ground troops managed to spot? I would loved to have been on the other team counter sniping, I can hear the headshots This first rule of sniping is you do it solo, if someone tries to snipe in the same place as you, you move on. Assume they're an idiot who's about to give away your position through links, hives or spamming shots
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 158	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:54:00 - [20] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? =tears your orders are to feed on the tears of snipers OBEY because Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.

Foo Fighting THE HANDS OF DEATH 108	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:57:00 - [21] - Quote The starter fits are partly to blame - the game is won with scouts, heavies and logis, the starter fits don't include any of these fits so beginners are lead to believe the roles are assault, medic, sniper and AV (all in assualt suits). The sniper starter fit is the only starter suit that can offer any kind of opportunity for a noob to get a kill or two and the only way to protect your kdr until your skills are more viable against the kinds of opponents meet on the battlefield.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:08:00 - [22] - Quote May I say a word? All of those snipers on the spire in the city were terrible. It's generally an unspoken rule that you just don't snipe next to another player. It draws attention to your location and thereby making you ineffective. I support your wise decision in scraping them off the building. You weren't even trolling to be honest. You did the team a favor. (I haven't seen something that stupid in awhile, at least not on American servers.) You've earned much credit when it comes to Swarm Launchers and Attack Drop Ships. Countless hours of first hand experience I'm sure. If you would ever begin to attempt a change in the way sniping is done in Dust 514, please consult with those who've done it most. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Ash Taiga Vortex State Empire 2	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:25:00 - [23] - Quote It doesn't really make any sense to me. I snipe probably about 70% of my matches and i always look for snipers first and then throughout the match. 1. They are the biggest threat to me. 2. A stationary target is the easiest kill on the field. There is really no reason not to look for them, just scan once then keep an eye on the kill feed. I don't even put uplinks either, i'm pretty sure most decent snipers don't use them because that would mean your expecting to be found and killed anyway.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4592	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:34:00 - [24] - Quote Clone D wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask? Children may not have any depth of insight into the game, such as the constraints of team resources during battle. They may play from an entirely subjective perspective without an objective overview of what is happening on the field and how they may best contribute to a victory. There is nothing wrong with playing for fun and getting what you want out of the game without regard to anyone else's welfare. The battlefield is punishing enough. If judge wants to punish them further for their actions that is a corrective action made under a set of morals which those subject to it may not share. In other words, anybody can do whatever the hell they want. There is no established code of conduct. That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me. You said a whole lot to say nothing at all. Even included a couple of fancy words. Good job.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:39:00 - [25] - Quote side note: Snipers get hate because it's personal. You focus a target and prevent them from being combat effective. Sometimes you repeat this on particular targets of interest. The range of responses you'll receive varies. A snipers inbox is often a treasure trove of hilarious hate mail. Snipers get hate because it's a starter fit. New players will spawn with a sniper rifle and head straight for the hills. Someone with no experience is likely to do the same thing as well. They have no developed skill, and almost no clue. They're ineffective and annoying at best. This helps to warp the general view of the role into something negative. Snipers get hate because of poor map design. Sometimes the best sniping location is in the red line. This cannot be helped. It could be a tall building, a mountain, or the MCC itself. However, chaining a bunch of kills together from 450-550 is time consuming, difficult, and less effective generally. (this is why sniper rifle ranges should not be shorter, bad map design) If given the option though I prefer the risk / reward of a more forward position to snipe from. It requires more skill and effort. You need to get posted, often at the cost of losing a drop ship every single match, and be ready to defend yourself from incoming threats that may try and dislodge you. Many opt for the safety of the red line, but again ineffectiveness is often their reward. Snipers get hate because it's not what most people do. The bread and butter of Dust 514 consists of meat grinding infantry. As a sniper you're removed from that, and people feel cheated of an opportunity to kill you because you're not directly in front of them. This generates hatred of the role. If you don't snipe, you generally hate snipers. Rightfully so! Use cover and never stop moving you lazy idiots! ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 884	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:52:00 - [26] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. So all of those guys on the tower were in your squad chat? Or were they not on comms? I doubt any of them were in team chat. The default for voice chat is "off" last I checked. Basically, if they're outside of your communication bubble the phrase "my team told me" sums up how out-of-touch you are with what was going on in the battle. It holds no merit because the reporting teammates were checking a range of points that are occupied about 60% of the time, while the snipers would have been asked to look down a range that is co-occupied about 2% of the time. You have to think these kinds of things through logically. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:04:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You said a whole lot to say nothing at all. Even included a couple of fancy words. Good job. It's all relative. "Those who are bound by desire see only that which can be held in their hands" A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:06:00 - [28] - Quote I think by team. It was safe to assume he meant squad. Most people do not use team chat for communications. It's rather ineffective and annoying. I can't imagine why you would continue with your line of nonsensical thought. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 235	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:17:00 - [29] - Quote I've only seen a few of your videos, mostly ones about tanks during the redline rail spamathon... But god damn this is brilliant. Sometimes you've got to be bad to be good, but you totally ignored the enemy snipers while trolling your own team, lol... I'm assuming you got them eventually. I'll be honest I have sometimes done this to idiots... Another good one is people that try to afk outside the mcc, you can just push them into the red zone (with enough time to waste.) I'll give you 8/10 for this, 10/10 would have been possible had you scooped one of your snipers next to theirs, lol.
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 43	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:23:00 - [30] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. So all of those guys on the tower were in your squad chat? Or were they not on comms? I doubt any of them were in team chat. The default for voice chat is "off" last I checked. Basically, if they're outside of your communication bubble the phrase "my team told me" sums up how out-of-touch you are with what was going on in the battle. It holds no merit because the reporting teammates were checking a range of points that are occupied about 60% of the time, while the snipers would have been asked to look down a range that is co-occupied about 2% of the time. You have to think these kinds of things through logically. Are you defending 7 snipers all looking at the same point, without even looking to counter-snipe, as a viable tactic?

five times Liverpool F.C. 11	Posted - 2014.07.31 12:18:00 - [31] - Quote i got a thales sniper on the same map today, killed him with my 1500 isk militia troll fit, cal heavy with forge, he was in a proto cal asault the reason i mention this is because, i found him the first time and i forgot to change from smg to forge and i went to charge forge gun and fired the smg, he scarpered, i had him to low armour and the timer killed me i went back and he had moved 20 metres more in to the red, i killed him and he sent a message : "cant a sniper snipe in peace?" i thought you can if your not stupid the point being, its not just noobs who do whats in the vid, this guy had proto assault (knowledge enough of high slots for damage mods) and skilled into sniping enough to use a thales, i started playing in feb this year and still havent got proto suit, heck it didnt even occur to me try making fits until april, i thought it was just starter fits onky until i went on forums and got some knowledge
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4594	Posted - 2014.07.31 12:32:00 - [32] - Quote Clone D wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You said a whole lot to say nothing at all. Even included a couple of fancy words. Good job. It's all relative. "Those who are bound by desire see only that which can be held in their hands" That's a terrible quote. If one was "bound" by desire they would only be able to see what could not be in their hands. Otherwise it wouldn't be desire, it would be fulfillment.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1820	Posted - 2014.07.31 13:17:00 - [33] - Quote Judge I would have killed the enemy snipers and by doing so you could have shown the really bad snipers how close they really are. Second I play sniper and there is nothing more than a sniper I despise for they are bad at it or their lazy. I have been in the same situation, half the team is sniping and I am getting my ass handed to me. I find them less than 200M from my point and they are shooting each other or something entirely stupid. I can troll them but what does that accomplish. So I telegraph their position to the enemy. If you have been sniping the whole game and you have less than 5 kills, stop or I am going to do something about it. I rather a blue distract the enemy by throwing there useless corps at them than sitting on a hill jacking his friend off. Now we know why jack went up the hill?? Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 13:20:00 - [34] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If one was "bound" by desire they would only be able to see what could not be in their hands. Otherwise it wouldn't be desire, it would be fulfillment. The logic of a sniper can be so cute. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 39	Posted - 2014.07.31 13:30:00 - [35] - Quote I'm not defending sniper blobs who don't countersnipe, however I do get annoyed when I find a great perch, with line of sight to 3 points on skirmish during a match (when I actually decide to go sniping) and a blob forms up around me...or even just another two snipers come to the same perch, and a well-meaning ADS pilot comes along and bumps us all down (in one instance, costing my squadmates their suits, and our team one of the points as I wan't able to shoot the logi I had just lined a shot up on). In that particular instance I rammed his dropship myself just out of frustration...I get what he was trying to do, but still he ended up causing more harm in that specific instance than good. (and to whomever called in that orbital strike the last time I broke out a Thale's...good on you. Seriously, you took out a thales, and 2 other snipers, along with a tank called in nearby...great placement and thinking, probably what tipped the scales in that last minute)
Cass Caul 143	Posted - 2014.07.31 13:34:00 - [36] - Quote I really love how "useless snipers" are the ones that gain all the hate, when if you'd put those same people on the ground with a Fine Rifle that team would just end up getting cloned out instead. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 181	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:00:00 - [37] - Quote Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. well, not really actually. It's more a convenience factor. A sniper rifle grants you some extra kill while you're relatively safe. you gain more money, you risk less money. That's why any pub game is full of non-dedicated, ad-libitum snipers. Moreover, it's relatively easy to snipe, that's probably why the sniper rifle damage is not that high. Just look at how other games solve this problem: bullet travel time, bullet falloff, the "hold-breath" in battlefield etc... And please, don't get me wrong, we have been one of the few corporations that deployed almost everytime at least 2 snipers in PC last year. Snipers are useful, but the way it is designed is just...wrong. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Samantha Hunyz Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:32:00 - [38] - Quote As a sniper myself, I have done sweeping of other snipers like this myself. Ive also done it to infantry too. Oh you want to talk about snipers on a roof, but what about infantry whole teams never leaving the roof. I agree though, they would have been close enough to hear the gun fire and should have looked around. None of those players were snipers, just players that gave up and were trying to pad some stats. Stop blaming sniping problems on snipers, when its infantry players with SR that are the douchebags. They use the SR to gain isk and sp, than go back to what they were doing. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4597	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:47:00 - [39] - Quote Clone D wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If one was "bound" by desire they would only be able to see what could not be in their hands. Otherwise it wouldn't be desire, it would be fulfillment. The logic of a sniper can be so cute. You made a leap in logic to determine I'm a sniper. An incorrect one too, I don't snipe. I just like calling people out when they say silly things.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1557	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:50:00 - [40] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: I really love how "useless snipers" are the ones that gain all the hate, when if you'd put those same people on the ground with a Fine Rifle that team would just end up getting cloned out instead. At least if they were on the ground with a "Fine Rifle" it would seem like they were trying. By effectively removing themselves from the game it creates a feeling of inevitable loss for the rest of the team. I have long encouraged the trolling of blue snipers when there are so many of them in a single game. There are times when over half your team will be sniping. At that point the game is effectively over. Not only is there no way you can win with so many snipers but there is also no way that the non-sniping players can have fun. The lack of bodies on the front lines means you will simply be overwhelmed at every turn. In those situations snipers need to be told (through actions and mails) that their play style is injurious to the team and the game as a whole. Sans a dropship you can troll friendly snipers by: 1) Calling vehicles on top of them. Tanks are particularly good for this since they have a large squishy pancake maker of an underside. 2) Standing directly in front of them and moving whenever they move. 3) Luring enemies towards the snipers positions (this may not be possible when all those blue snipers are in the redline). Fun > Realism

Yankie Doodle WRONG-TURN 1	Posted - 2014.07.31 14:52:00 - [41] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? Snipers DO NOT snipe other snipers. 'No no no' We are of the same cloth...... Brothers... As for a CPM calling players 'douch'....... Just wow. Glad I didn't vote.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2616	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:26:00 - [42] - Quote I said the actions were douche like, not the player. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Clone D Grundstein Automation 687	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:38:00 - [43] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Clone D wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If one was "bound" by desire they would only be able to see what could not be in their hands. Otherwise it wouldn't be desire, it would be fulfillment. The logic of a sniper can be so cute. You made a leap in logic to determine I'm a sniper. An incorrect one too, I don't snipe. I just like calling people out when they say silly things. Well, if you would like to btch slap each other, then hear this: 1. While, technically, the statement was not an accusation, I intended an understood accusation, to be sure. While whether or not you practice sniping was uknown to me I did intend to raise the intensity of the conversation to the fck you level. 2. The hypothetical form of "to be" is conjugated in the past tense. i.e. "If one were ..." 3. It is a word of wisdom, nearly a koan. The statement may be interpreted on many levels. 4. You will see what you wish to see. Only your humility, curiosity and open mindedness can lead you to enlightenment. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 754	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:40:00 - [44] - Quote Snipers in all fps's act like this. When they don't have a social group (clan, guild, corp, squadmates) to answer to directly, they don't care about anything other than pumping their K/D. Either play an FPS that lets you exclude randoms from your matches or accept the fact that pubbies will pub and do this terrible ****. Or start a thread about it for a game that has been promised multiple times that no significant changes will happen to fix such things. :v Anyways, enjoyed the video as I do all your videos.
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 385	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:56:00 - [45] - Quote Clone D wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask? Children may not have any depth of insight into the game, such as the constraints of team resources during battle. They may play from an entirely subjective perspective without an objective overview of what is happening on the field and how they may best contribute to a victory. There is nothing wrong with playing for fun and getting what you want out of the game without regard to anyone else's welfare. The battlefield is punishing enough. If judge wants to punish them further for their actions that is a corrective action made under a set of morals which those subject to it may not share. In other words, anybody can do whatever the hell they want. There is no established code of conduct. That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me. I'd also point out that in the first part of the video, where the OP's piloting the Incubus, his team was up 15 kills over the reds and their MCC had slightly more shields--in other words, a fairly even match up to the point the video cut to the Python footage. By the end of the Python footage, OP's team was up 76 kills and their MCC had almost all its shields while the enemy's had three or four ticks of armor left--in other words, a stomp. In the first case, with the Incubus, it was probably a good idea that those 5 were hanging out on the tower, since if they were on the ground, they'd likely be dying fast, increasing the odds of cloning the blue team (only 111 clones left at about 1/2 shields--definitely a possibility). I infer this because, watching the kill feed, I noticed the red team scored 9 sniper kills (5 went to I Brutos, using an advanced SR) while only three went to the blue team (and one of those was a Thales ). Clearly the blue snipers were not very good, especially considering that sniping the bridge from that tower in a dom is one of the easiest places to rack up SR kills, assuming you're not being harassed (usually by a red DS). I don't have any problem with people playing the way they want to and trolling their own team, but it would've only taken the OP a second to clean up those red snipers he was complaining about himself. In the second case, I didn't see any groups of blueberry snipers, so I'm not sure of the point of that footage. I don't see much of an issue with blues (likely either noobs or terribads) tower camping in an attempt not to die and maybe get a couple kills. I can relate to being a no/low-SP scrub and recall what it was like to feel relegated to ineffective sniping. And again, I don't really care that the OP was trolling his own team, but there's no need to sound preachy about it or ask the community, "who's the d!ck?" Doing so makes the choice a lot easier, if you catch my drift.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 248	Posted - 2014.07.31 16:05:00 - [46] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? without even watching the video? you i hate when vehicles attack me in a sniper fit... makes me wish swarms were a sidearm WHY DID I VOTE FOR YOU!? Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2618	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:16:00 - [47] - Quote watch it then. its not what you think. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 406	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:24:00 - [48] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? Them Master of The Flaylock
Knight SoIaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5605	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:24:00 - [49] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: IB4 Takahiro who will say me just because the world is hard to understand for him. Why do you always mention Takahiro? Even on your videos when one gets a dislike, you mention Takahiro. You've got to let go man, he doesn't love you anymore, he doesn't play anymore. Let him go. I'm free! /o/
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2618	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:29:00 - [50] - Quote I feel him watching me when I sleep Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 26	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:38:00 - [51] - Quote First and foremost this is a game, people can play however they want. Not everyone likes the slayer role, some like to snipe. The fact that in your opinion the clump of blues werent helping the game progress to your liking makes you come across as a bit self-righteous. I cant see how spending the rest of the match on a DS or ADS knocking blueberries off the towers helps the team any more than what they were doing. Yes Im sure its fun to do but maybe thats what they were doing , having fun. I can see getting upset not following a plan or tactics in a planned match like PC or corp battles but in pubs you shouldnt dictate how the game is played. If there are too many "noobs" for ones liking in a match , theres always the option of leaving the match.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3636	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:39:00 - [52] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: IB4 Takahiro who will say me just because the world is hard to understand for him. Why do you always mention Takahiro? Even on your videos when one gets a dislike, you mention Takahiro. You've got to let go man, he doesn't love you anymore, he doesn't play anymore. Let him go. He mentions me because im better than him, he leaves games if im on the other side because he knows he will lose whatever vehicle he brings out He cant beat me, he asks for railguns range to be reduced, he still gets shot down, he asks for vehicles to be removed from modes because he gets shot down, he rolls in a 6man group at all times and still loses his vehicles even if the other 5 are there to protect it all game He cant beat me and hes obsessed with it, so he cant let it go
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:40:00 - [53] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I feel him watching me when I sleep Sounds like you're really messed up in the head. Maybe you should seek mental help, it might also alleviate the problem Taka mentioned with you having to leave all the time.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 550	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:45:00 - [54] - Quote Those were scrubs not snipers. Sad that it seems snipers get hated on because of these guys . If it was me on the enemy team though, I would have loved getting 5+ headshots in a row just counter sniping them.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5605	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:47:00 - [55] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I feel him watching me when I sleep I'm just concerned for the game's wellbeing. How can someone be a functional member of the CPM when not only have they got half the communitie's nose up their arse, but also have their own nose stuck up another player's arse? I'm free! /o/
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1113	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:49:00 - [56] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? Haha! Yes, those snipers certainly deserved that. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 252	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:50:00 - [57] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: give it a watch it mate. its not what you think. you were right luke... tell your sister... you were right... no seriously, ******* lol it makes me miss my old corp mate ADS pilot who quit the game... he used to "scrape" people on towers and kill them Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2620	Posted - 2014.07.31 17:52:00 - [58] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I feel him watching me when I sleep I'm just concerned for the game's wellbeing. How can someone be a functional member of the CPM when not only have they got half the communitie's nose up their arse, but also have their own nose stuck up another player's arse? I'm just kidding. Dude was such a troll that made himself a bad joke on the forums. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3190	Posted - 2014.07.31 18:02:00 - [59] - Quote Personally Snipers aren't a problem outside of the redline, I do take great pleasure in killing those stupid enough to trap themselves on a roof. I will simply that while Snipers do need better spots, these spots also need to be easily accessible to general infantry. Snipers should be relatively mobile, recognizing when they have been made and when they should move. For example the Gallantean Research Facility does have some good spots for Sniping with plenty of areas having great FOV over both the Socket amd the surrounding terrain. The reason people don't use these spots is because a lot of Snipers seem to have an aversion to moving. I have literally indentified a hideout, flew over there in a Dropship, hovered infront of his scope for a few seconds, landed beside and shot him in the back of the head with a shotgun. I then received hate mail because apparently I'm Sniper Hunting Scum. The problem with Snipers is that they always promote, finding a spot and staying there. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3740	Posted - 2014.07.31 18:06:00 - [60] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: My feeling is that this is a problem with human nature. You could power up sniping and that would help with the competitive game, but it would encourage player laziness in pubs as seen here. As the vast majority of games ARE pubs, is it not better to simply throw the role of sniping under the bus for the time being? The only real fix I see is that if one team is displaying such incredible levels of incompetence, games need to end faster. Well that or you remove free sniper rifle suits and then make them cost a ridiculous amount of money so its a big deal when you get killed sniping. I hate the idea of balancing anything around isk. It hurts newer players and barely effects older ones. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 888	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:46:00 - [61] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. So all of those guys on the tower were in your squad chat? Or were they not on comms? I doubt any of them were in team chat. The default for voice chat is "off" last I checked. Basically, if they're outside of your communication bubble the phrase "my team told me" sums up how out-of-touch you are with what was going on in the battle. It holds no merit because the reporting teammates were checking a range of points that are occupied about 60% of the time, while the snipers would have been asked to look down a range that is co-occupied about 2% of the time. You have to think these kinds of things through logically. Are you defending 7 snipers all looking at the same point, without even looking to counter-snipe, as a viable tactic? It's not viable. It's not fun. CCP built the maps that way. These kinds of venues are some of the few that are available, not because they were intended, but because they were Overlooked by the map development team. You are welcome to try and point out other venues for snipers to play from, but I can tell you, there are only about 3-4 regions you can play in on a map like that and they are all elevated hills or rooves, all the others are completely obstructed by obstacles. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 159	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:56:00 - [62] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? =tears your orders are to feed on the tears of snipers OBEY because Why do I see no feeding? Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11139	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:58:00 - [63] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? I've actually seen some pretty good Combat/Counter Sniping a few times. Dude was running Caldari Commando. Caldari Commando is quite possibly the worst thing that could have ever happened to the Sniper Class. Loud Profile means you can sneak around, slow Movement Speed encourages camping in one spot the entire match and hinders those who don't, and the bright blue color makes you comparatively easier to spot. -HAND
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4598	Posted - 2014.08.01 10:18:00 - [64] - Quote Clone D wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Clone D wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If one was "bound" by desire they would only be able to see what could not be in their hands. Otherwise it wouldn't be desire, it would be fulfillment. The logic of a sniper can be so cute. You made a leap in logic to determine I'm a sniper. An incorrect one too, I don't snipe. I just like calling people out when they say silly things. Well, if you would like to btch slap each other, then hear this: 1. While, technically, the statement was not an accusation, I intended an understood accusation, to be sure. While whether or not you practice sniping was uknown to me I did intend to raise the intensity of the conversation to the fck you level. 2. The hypothetical form of "to be" is conjugated in the past tense. i.e. "If one were ..." 3. It is a word of wisdom, nearly a koan. The statement may be interpreted on many levels. 4. You will see what you wish to see. Only your humility, curiosity and open mindedness can lead you to enlightenment. You're still saying a lot in order to say nothing at all. All the literary effort in the world will go to waste if you do not actually have a point. This is like the writer's equivalent to "shooting the ****". A conversation without purpose. Have you really nothing to add except to coin more phrases which don't even fit the context of this conversation? Throwing a vague quote into the wind and claiming depth from the value of broad interpretation is simply a way for a not-so-intelligent person to seem more intelligent than they actually are. It's an escape from the responsibility of actually having anything relevant to say. Besides that, a quote would indeed indicate past tense. Otherwise it wouldn't be a quote.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 260	Posted - 2014.08.01 17:53:00 - [65] - Quote Counter-sniping is difficult when the enemy sniper head glitches in the redline. Let's not kid ourselves plenty of maps especially in domination allow redline sniping of the objective. This is also where I usually see head glitch redline snipers. That glitch makes counter sniping impossible, as the only way to possibly kill them is to suicide drop on them or orbital strike, which is a tremendous waste in both cases to kill some ******* exploiting the game.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2657	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:00:00 - [66] - Quote your pretty good with the SR Closed Beta Vet. PSN: Helix-Void_Echo Only the strongest can do Good and the weakest do Evil- Void Echo
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1987	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:24:00 - [67] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? This is New Eden where everyone is either a Douche or a Victim. If someone wants to split the difference then they can apply pragmatism. I've known a number of great in-squad snipers. My ass has been saved more than once by these guys. The only times Tower Snipers have really raged me were on the maps where people set up camp in a location that had zero tactical value. Essentially the same thing as the redline sniping in spots solely to get kills. Heck, I wouldn't care if someone was solely going for kills if it felt like a difference was being made. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Clone D Grundstein Automation 690	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:32:00 - [68] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're still saying a lot in order to say nothing at all. Perhaps you cannot comprehend the point and therefore think that nothing exists because you are blind to it. You may return to your pelvic butter churning now. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 1	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:42:00 - [69] - Quote I always check the rooftops for snipers. I was in a game yesterday where there were at least 10 reds on the same rooftop. And they kept spawning back there. I love it when that happens (so long as it's not blueberries doing it) because I get easy kills and I'm usually not spotted. I started out on rooftops though because I got a good view of the area and didn't know better. Once I got used to the game, I went to the hills. I always assumed that those doing it were newbies, and just needed to learn. I would love better spots to use, but I'm sure the same problem would still exist. People will learn where snipers are likely to be and sit in a position overlooking it to kill them, just as they do now with the buildings. And the good spots would be overcrowded.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 306	Posted - 2014.08.02 00:03:00 - [70] - Quote I think we need to get rid of those pesky objectives as a basis for winning. They just lure those poor front line players to their doom and make sniping look invalid due to people wanting to try too hard to win. No one is here to win the game for others. If you don't want people just having fun then play PC with people that need this game to prove their validity. Those were probably new players so you just contributed to the shoddy new player experience. You also didn't contribute to a win anymore than the snipers by focusing on them. Tryhard power players are what's ruining the game for me. Makes me want to do what those guys were doing all the more in spite. This game is fruity. It really doesn't deserve such a level of concern or dedication that goes so far as to have people worry about how others play. Some people would do better to just play Tetris. It is simple, straightforward and serves the purpose of boring, repetative play to win and to hell with variety and aesthetic that is of no concern to the FOTM power player. Beer = sniping = fun. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN

Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.08.02 01:50:00 - [71] - Quote ZB DeLong wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? I like this. You make some excellent points. Counter sniping is rare. Just doesn't happen enough. The people who do snipe are 80% blues. The other 20% know what they're doing. To the other 20% o/ (who actually help the team, like sniping a point the whole game. Keeping it unhacked) I counter snipe when there is like 5 or 6 of the fags. What?
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven 290	Posted - 2014.08.02 03:59:00 - [72] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: May I say a word? All of those snipers on the spire in the city were terrible. It's generally an unspoken rule that you just don't snipe next to another player. It draws attention to your location and thereby making you ineffective. I support your wise decision in scraping them off the building. You weren't even trolling to be honest. You did the team a favor. (I haven't seen something that stupid in awhile, at least not on American servers.) You've earned much credit when it comes to Swarm Launchers and Attack Drop Ships. Countless hours of first hand experience I'm sure. If you would ever begin to attempt a change in the way sniping is done in Dust 514, please consult with those who've done it most. Agreed Symbiotic. Judge, By what I saw, You did do your team a favor. However, If you were to consult to CCP somehow about fixing sniping (I don't think its really bad) I'd rather you consult to snipers who've been around awhile. Symbiotic, Pelongnis, Myself & a few others I'm sure would be happy to talk to you about Dust 514 sniping & how its efficiency has changed through the builds. The Jolly "eh" Team Canadian "By the Caldarian Steel!! This pie explains the complexity of the Universe!"
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11451	Posted - 2014.08.02 04:29:00 - [73] - Quote The reason this is happening is because sniping is easy. It isn't rewarding, you're doing laughable damage unless you bring a thale or a charged sniper, but it's easy. No strafing, no dodging grenades, just point and shoot. Snipers aren't an epidemic in Battlefield because they have bullet drop and bullet travel time. DUST needs that then increase the damage. Good snipers will be an actual threat in PC, and you eliminate the useless idiots. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 273	Posted - 2014.08.02 05:08:00 - [74] - Quote Atiim wrote: Caldari Commando is quite possibly the worst thing that could have ever happened to the Sniper Class. Loud Profile means you can sneak around, slow Movement Speed encourages camping in one spot the entire match and hinders those who don't, and the bright blue color makes you comparatively easier to spot. correction armor-based proficiency was the worst thing that happened to the sniper class Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2635	Posted - 2014.08.02 09:02:00 - [75] - Quote I am actually going to push for some improvements to snipers in Delta. So if you are a sniper, email me what you would like, or start a thread and ill read and make sure it reaches CCP. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 252	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:18:00 - [76] - Quote okay judge, if you want to see the suggestions so far, i would advise you look up attim's posts. a little while back he actually did a survey which got some attention, also the names that storm shelton mentioned are a good place to start, particularly symbioticforks. and there is a hotfix delta thread on the forums at the moment which wasn't too bad and has some good thoughts on it. (i'll bump it up the list for you.) also may i suggest that there is going to be a good few weeks now before delta comes out so how about instead of playing in your ads you try using the sniper rifles for a few weeks. i actually meant that, not in a pedantic way but seriously. it will give you a good insight to the things we are asking for and why we are asking for them. but you will need to do it seriously not just a game or two but for the entire couple of weeks that you decide to do it. assuming that you do mean "improvements" as opposed to "changes" it would be a good idea to have at least that much working knowledge of them. only a few games won't do it ,because not all games are easy and not all of them are difficult. i would also say that it is Important that you do at least a few p.c battles with them because that is where the biggest problem with them is. i'm also fairly sure that you could arrange to run in squad with some of the snipers in dust if you would like to know how you are doing at it, again i would suggest symbioticforks.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 253	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:43:00 - [77] - Quote update, the thread that attim's survey was on is called "a sniper survey" it's a closed topic and so can't be bumped.


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