DUST Search - Snipers this is why you get hate.

Juno Tristan wrote:

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up.

Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive.

So all of those guys on the tower were in your squad chat? Or were they not on comms?

I doubt any of them were in team chat. The default for voice chat is "off" last I checked.

Basically, if they're outside of your communication bubble the phrase "my team told me" sums up how out-of-touch you are with what was going on in the battle. It holds no merit because the reporting teammates were checking a range of points that are occupied about 60% of the time, while the snipers would have been asked to look down a range that is co-occupied about 2% of the time.

You have to think these kinds of things through logically.

Are you defending 7 snipers all looking at the same point, without even looking to counter-snipe, as a viable tactic?

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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 888	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:46:00 - [61] - Quote Juno Tristan wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. So all of those guys on the tower were in your squad chat? Or were they not on comms? I doubt any of them were in team chat. The default for voice chat is "off" last I checked. Basically, if they're outside of your communication bubble the phrase "my team told me" sums up how out-of-touch you are with what was going on in the battle. It holds no merit because the reporting teammates were checking a range of points that are occupied about 60% of the time, while the snipers would have been asked to look down a range that is co-occupied about 2% of the time. You have to think these kinds of things through logically. Are you defending 7 snipers all looking at the same point, without even looking to counter-snipe, as a viable tactic? It's not viable. It's not fun. CCP built the maps that way. These kinds of venues are some of the few that are available, not because they were intended, but because they were Overlooked by the map development team. You are welcome to try and point out other venues for snipers to play from, but I can tell you, there are only about 3-4 regions you can play in on a map like that and they are all elevated hills or rooves, all the others are completely obstructed by obstacles. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 159	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:56:00 - [62] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? =tears your orders are to feed on the tears of snipers OBEY because Why do I see no feeding? Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11139	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:58:00 - [63] - Quote Jonny D Buelle wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? I've actually seen some pretty good Combat/Counter Sniping a few times. Dude was running Caldari Commando. Caldari Commando is quite possibly the worst thing that could have ever happened to the Sniper Class. Loud Profile means you can sneak around, slow Movement Speed encourages camping in one spot the entire match and hinders those who don't, and the bright blue color makes you comparatively easier to spot. -HAND
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4598	Posted - 2014.08.01 10:18:00 - [64] - Quote Clone D wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Clone D wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If one was "bound" by desire they would only be able to see what could not be in their hands. Otherwise it wouldn't be desire, it would be fulfillment. The logic of a sniper can be so cute. You made a leap in logic to determine I'm a sniper. An incorrect one too, I don't snipe. I just like calling people out when they say silly things. Well, if you would like to btch slap each other, then hear this: 1. While, technically, the statement was not an accusation, I intended an understood accusation, to be sure. While whether or not you practice sniping was uknown to me I did intend to raise the intensity of the conversation to the fck you level. 2. The hypothetical form of "to be" is conjugated in the past tense. i.e. "If one were ..." 3. It is a word of wisdom, nearly a koan. The statement may be interpreted on many levels. 4. You will see what you wish to see. Only your humility, curiosity and open mindedness can lead you to enlightenment. You're still saying a lot in order to say nothing at all. All the literary effort in the world will go to waste if you do not actually have a point. This is like the writer's equivalent to "shooting the ****". A conversation without purpose. Have you really nothing to add except to coin more phrases which don't even fit the context of this conversation? Throwing a vague quote into the wind and claiming depth from the value of broad interpretation is simply a way for a not-so-intelligent person to seem more intelligent than they actually are. It's an escape from the responsibility of actually having anything relevant to say. Besides that, a quote would indeed indicate past tense. Otherwise it wouldn't be a quote.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 260	Posted - 2014.08.01 17:53:00 - [65] - Quote Counter-sniping is difficult when the enemy sniper head glitches in the redline. Let's not kid ourselves plenty of maps especially in domination allow redline sniping of the objective. This is also where I usually see head glitch redline snipers. That glitch makes counter sniping impossible, as the only way to possibly kill them is to suicide drop on them or orbital strike, which is a tremendous waste in both cases to kill some ******* exploiting the game.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2657	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:00:00 - [66] - Quote your pretty good with the SR Closed Beta Vet. PSN: Helix-Void_Echo Only the strongest can do Good and the weakest do Evil- Void Echo
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1987	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:24:00 - [67] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? This is New Eden where everyone is either a Douche or a Victim. If someone wants to split the difference then they can apply pragmatism. I've known a number of great in-squad snipers. My ass has been saved more than once by these guys. The only times Tower Snipers have really raged me were on the maps where people set up camp in a location that had zero tactical value. Essentially the same thing as the redline sniping in spots solely to get kills. Heck, I wouldn't care if someone was solely going for kills if it felt like a difference was being made. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Clone D Grundstein Automation 690	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:32:00 - [68] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You're still saying a lot in order to say nothing at all. Perhaps you cannot comprehend the point and therefore think that nothing exists because you are blind to it. You may return to your pelvic butter churning now. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Raptor Princess ALLOTEC INC 1	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:42:00 - [69] - Quote I always check the rooftops for snipers. I was in a game yesterday where there were at least 10 reds on the same rooftop. And they kept spawning back there. I love it when that happens (so long as it's not blueberries doing it) because I get easy kills and I'm usually not spotted. I started out on rooftops though because I got a good view of the area and didn't know better. Once I got used to the game, I went to the hills. I always assumed that those doing it were newbies, and just needed to learn. I would love better spots to use, but I'm sure the same problem would still exist. People will learn where snipers are likely to be and sit in a position overlooking it to kill them, just as they do now with the buildings. And the good spots would be overcrowded.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 306	Posted - 2014.08.02 00:03:00 - [70] - Quote I think we need to get rid of those pesky objectives as a basis for winning. They just lure those poor front line players to their doom and make sniping look invalid due to people wanting to try too hard to win. No one is here to win the game for others. If you don't want people just having fun then play PC with people that need this game to prove their validity. Those were probably new players so you just contributed to the shoddy new player experience. You also didn't contribute to a win anymore than the snipers by focusing on them. Tryhard power players are what's ruining the game for me. Makes me want to do what those guys were doing all the more in spite. This game is fruity. It really doesn't deserve such a level of concern or dedication that goes so far as to have people worry about how others play. Some people would do better to just play Tetris. It is simple, straightforward and serves the purpose of boring, repetative play to win and to hell with variety and aesthetic that is of no concern to the FOTM power player. Beer = sniping = fun. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN

Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 175	Posted - 2014.08.02 01:50:00 - [71] - Quote ZB DeLong wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? I like this. You make some excellent points. Counter sniping is rare. Just doesn't happen enough. The people who do snipe are 80% blues. The other 20% know what they're doing. To the other 20% o/ (who actually help the team, like sniping a point the whole game. Keeping it unhacked) I counter snipe when there is like 5 or 6 of the fags. What?
Storm Shelton 0uter.Heaven 290	Posted - 2014.08.02 03:59:00 - [72] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: May I say a word? All of those snipers on the spire in the city were terrible. It's generally an unspoken rule that you just don't snipe next to another player. It draws attention to your location and thereby making you ineffective. I support your wise decision in scraping them off the building. You weren't even trolling to be honest. You did the team a favor. (I haven't seen something that stupid in awhile, at least not on American servers.) You've earned much credit when it comes to Swarm Launchers and Attack Drop Ships. Countless hours of first hand experience I'm sure. If you would ever begin to attempt a change in the way sniping is done in Dust 514, please consult with those who've done it most. Agreed Symbiotic. Judge, By what I saw, You did do your team a favor. However, If you were to consult to CCP somehow about fixing sniping (I don't think its really bad) I'd rather you consult to snipers who've been around awhile. Symbiotic, Pelongnis, Myself & a few others I'm sure would be happy to talk to you about Dust 514 sniping & how its efficiency has changed through the builds. The Jolly "eh" Team Canadian "By the Caldarian Steel!! This pie explains the complexity of the Universe!"
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11451	Posted - 2014.08.02 04:29:00 - [73] - Quote The reason this is happening is because sniping is easy. It isn't rewarding, you're doing laughable damage unless you bring a thale or a charged sniper, but it's easy. No strafing, no dodging grenades, just point and shoot. Snipers aren't an epidemic in Battlefield because they have bullet drop and bullet travel time. DUST needs that then increase the damage. Good snipers will be an actual threat in PC, and you eliminate the useless idiots. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 273	Posted - 2014.08.02 05:08:00 - [74] - Quote Atiim wrote: Caldari Commando is quite possibly the worst thing that could have ever happened to the Sniper Class. Loud Profile means you can sneak around, slow Movement Speed encourages camping in one spot the entire match and hinders those who don't, and the bright blue color makes you comparatively easier to spot. correction armor-based proficiency was the worst thing that happened to the sniper class Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2635	Posted - 2014.08.02 09:02:00 - [75] - Quote I am actually going to push for some improvements to snipers in Delta. So if you are a sniper, email me what you would like, or start a thread and ill read and make sure it reaches CCP. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 252	Posted - 2014.08.06 16:18:00 - [76] - Quote okay judge, if you want to see the suggestions so far, i would advise you look up attim's posts. a little while back he actually did a survey which got some attention, also the names that storm shelton mentioned are a good place to start, particularly symbioticforks. and there is a hotfix delta thread on the forums at the moment which wasn't too bad and has some good thoughts on it. (i'll bump it up the list for you.) also may i suggest that there is going to be a good few weeks now before delta comes out so how about instead of playing in your ads you try using the sniper rifles for a few weeks. i actually meant that, not in a pedantic way but seriously. it will give you a good insight to the things we are asking for and why we are asking for them. but you will need to do it seriously not just a game or two but for the entire couple of weeks that you decide to do it. assuming that you do mean "improvements" as opposed to "changes" it would be a good idea to have at least that much working knowledge of them. only a few games won't do it ,because not all games are easy and not all of them are difficult. i would also say that it is Important that you do at least a few p.c battles with them because that is where the biggest problem with them is. i'm also fairly sure that you could arrange to run in squad with some of the snipers in dust if you would like to know how you are doing at it, again i would suggest symbioticforks.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 253	Posted - 2014.08.06 17:43:00 - [77] - Quote update, the thread that attim's survey was on is called "a sniper survey" it's a closed topic and so can't be bumped.


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