DUST Search - Snipers this is why you get hate.

Clone D wrote:

Reign Omega wrote:

Clone D wrote:

Judge

I think sniping is for gimps.

Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping.

My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies.

But still, what you did is awesome!

What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask?

Children may not have any depth of insight into the game, such as the constraints of team resources during battle. They may play from an entirely subjective perspective without an objective overview of what is happening on the field and how they may best contribute to a victory. There is nothing wrong with playing for fun and getting what you want out of the game without regard to anyone else's welfare. The battlefield is punishing enough. If judge wants to punish them further for their actions that is a corrective action made under a set of morals which those subject to it may not share. In other words, anybody can do whatever the hell they want. There is no established code of conduct.

That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me.

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Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2600	Posted - 2014.07.31 07:51:00 - [1] - Quote Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4591	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:02:00 - [2] - Quote My feeling is that this is a problem with human nature. You could power up sniping and that would help with the competitive game, but it would encourage player laziness in pubs as seen here. As the vast majority of games ARE pubs, is it not better to simply throw the role of sniping under the bus for the time being? The only real fix I see is that if one team is displaying such incredible levels of incompetence, games need to end faster.
ZB DeLong Nyain San 60	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:14:00 - [3] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? I like this. You make some excellent points. Counter sniping is rare. Just doesn't happen enough. The people who do snipe are 80% blues. The other 20% know what they're doing. To the other 20% o/ (who actually help the team, like sniping a point the whole game. Keeping it unhacked) Been fighting this war since beta. When can I go home and see my family again? Will I survive this brutality? :)
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:39:00 - [4] - Quote Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:49:00 - [5] - Quote Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 883	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:52:00 - [6] - Quote Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:53:00 - [7] - Quote "Is a display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking" Officially my new signature. As soon as I change it. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 3341	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:54:00 - [8] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? I'd say search youtube for Nod Keras. That'll give you an idea. Want ISK? I'm giving it away!
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2604	Posted - 2014.07.31 08:58:00 - [9] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? Watch it again. I clearly say the poor map design has not left many good spots and that snipers are forced into bad spots and this is not their fault. But seven guys sniping from a roof ignoring the snipers that even the ground troops managed to spot? Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2604	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:02:00 - [10] - Quote IB4 Takahiro who will say me just because the world is hard to understand for him. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:04:00 - [11] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask? Children may not have any depth of insight into the game, such as the constraints of team resources during battle. They may play from an entirely subjective perspective without an objective overview of what is happening on the field and how they may best contribute to a victory. There is nothing wrong with playing for fun and getting what you want out of the game without regard to anyone else's welfare. The battlefield is punishing enough. If judge wants to punish them further for their actions that is a corrective action made under a set of morals which those subject to it may not share. In other words, anybody can do whatever the hell they want. There is no established code of conduct. That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite of how insignificant their contribution may look to me. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 258	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:09:00 - [12] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Can you show us where ELSE a sniper can perform from? Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? I've actually seen some pretty good Combat/Counter Sniping a few times. Dude was running Caldari Commando. Legionhares Unite!
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 695	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:12:00 - [13] - Quote Clone D wrote: That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me. Sorry, I misread, I thought you were saying that a lot of adults take to sniping because they can't compete with the kids on the battlefield.... A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 884	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:15:00 - [14] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: .....Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? Watch it again. I clearly say the poor map design has not left many good spots and that snipers are forced into bad spots and this is not their fault. But seven guys sniping from a roof ignoring the snipers that even the ground troops managed to spot? Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Then again, the other team would have needed a dropship to get up there, which would have been pretty hard to ignore really... Mmm... Unless they were there first, then the allies positioned at the top of the tower. And, yes, you state that snipers have few locations to shoot from, then complain that because they're using one of those locations that happens to be the best one from all the options, that they are suddenly douches. Double standard it is. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:19:00 - [15] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Clone D wrote: That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me. Sorry, I misread, I thought you were saying that a lot of adults take to sniping because they can't compete with the kids on the battlefield.... Haha, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened, but that wasn't the intent of my original message. I was rather ambiguous on why I brought up the subject of age, and therefore I am an idiot. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2604	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:24:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Liftrasir Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:35:00 - [17] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? I say that the dropship pilot who brought the drop uplinks to the top of the tower is the real ******* in this story. I bet it was you, just so that you could lure the poor blueberries there to get "good" footage.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 158	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:43:00 - [18] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? =tears Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 42	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:45:00 - [19] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: .....Or do you just complain about something you don't understand, hence making your video a kind of double standard? Watch it again. I clearly say the poor map design has not left many good spots and that snipers are forced into bad spots and this is not their fault. But seven guys sniping from a roof ignoring the snipers that even the ground troops managed to spot? I would loved to have been on the other team counter sniping, I can hear the headshots This first rule of sniping is you do it solo, if someone tries to snipe in the same place as you, you move on. Assume they're an idiot who's about to give away your position through links, hives or spamming shots
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 158	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:54:00 - [20] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Time to troll a few snipers. I think they deserved it. Who was the douche? me or them? =tears your orders are to feed on the tears of snipers OBEY because Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.

Foo Fighting THE HANDS OF DEATH 108	Posted - 2014.07.31 09:57:00 - [21] - Quote The starter fits are partly to blame - the game is won with scouts, heavies and logis, the starter fits don't include any of these fits so beginners are lead to believe the roles are assault, medic, sniper and AV (all in assualt suits). The sniper starter fit is the only starter suit that can offer any kind of opportunity for a noob to get a kill or two and the only way to protect your kdr until your skills are more viable against the kinds of opponents meet on the battlefield.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:08:00 - [22] - Quote May I say a word? All of those snipers on the spire in the city were terrible. It's generally an unspoken rule that you just don't snipe next to another player. It draws attention to your location and thereby making you ineffective. I support your wise decision in scraping them off the building. You weren't even trolling to be honest. You did the team a favor. (I haven't seen something that stupid in awhile, at least not on American servers.) You've earned much credit when it comes to Swarm Launchers and Attack Drop Ships. Countless hours of first hand experience I'm sure. If you would ever begin to attempt a change in the way sniping is done in Dust 514, please consult with those who've done it most. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Ash Taiga Vortex State Empire 2	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:25:00 - [23] - Quote It doesn't really make any sense to me. I snipe probably about 70% of my matches and i always look for snipers first and then throughout the match. 1. They are the biggest threat to me. 2. A stationary target is the easiest kill on the field. There is really no reason not to look for them, just scan once then keep an eye on the kill feed. I don't even put uplinks either, i'm pretty sure most decent snipers don't use them because that would mean your expecting to be found and killed anyway.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4592	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:34:00 - [24] - Quote Clone D wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Clone D wrote: Judge I think sniping is for gimps. Lately, I've been squadding up and realized that a LOT of children play Dust 514, and a LOT of adolescents and adults simply don't have the skills to compete on the battlefield so they choose sniping. My plea to you: If you're going to troll snipers, please troll the enemy snipers, not friendlies. But still, what you did is awesome! What does children VS adults have to do with competing on the field If I may ask? Children may not have any depth of insight into the game, such as the constraints of team resources during battle. They may play from an entirely subjective perspective without an objective overview of what is happening on the field and how they may best contribute to a victory. There is nothing wrong with playing for fun and getting what you want out of the game without regard to anyone else's welfare. The battlefield is punishing enough. If judge wants to punish them further for their actions that is a corrective action made under a set of morals which those subject to it may not share. In other words, anybody can do whatever the hell they want. There is no established code of conduct. That said, Judge can do whatever the hell he wants, hence my plea, derived from strategic insight not to waste other team members' time, despite how insignificant their contribution may look to me. You said a whole lot to say nothing at all. Even included a couple of fancy words. Good job.
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:39:00 - [25] - Quote side note: Snipers get hate because it's personal. You focus a target and prevent them from being combat effective. Sometimes you repeat this on particular targets of interest. The range of responses you'll receive varies. A snipers inbox is often a treasure trove of hilarious hate mail. Snipers get hate because it's a starter fit. New players will spawn with a sniper rifle and head straight for the hills. Someone with no experience is likely to do the same thing as well. They have no developed skill, and almost no clue. They're ineffective and annoying at best. This helps to warp the general view of the role into something negative. Snipers get hate because of poor map design. Sometimes the best sniping location is in the red line. This cannot be helped. It could be a tall building, a mountain, or the MCC itself. However, chaining a bunch of kills together from 450-550 is time consuming, difficult, and less effective generally. (this is why sniper rifle ranges should not be shorter, bad map design) If given the option though I prefer the risk / reward of a more forward position to snipe from. It requires more skill and effort. You need to get posted, often at the cost of losing a drop ship every single match, and be ready to defend yourself from incoming threats that may try and dislodge you. Many opt for the safety of the red line, but again ineffectiveness is often their reward. Snipers get hate because it's not what most people do. The bread and butter of Dust 514 consists of meat grinding infantry. As a sniper you're removed from that, and people feel cheated of an opportunity to kill you because you're not directly in front of them. This generates hatred of the role. If you don't snipe, you generally hate snipers. Rightfully so! Use cover and never stop moving you lazy idiots! ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 884	Posted - 2014.07.31 10:52:00 - [26] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. So all of those guys on the tower were in your squad chat? Or were they not on comms? I doubt any of them were in team chat. The default for voice chat is "off" last I checked. Basically, if they're outside of your communication bubble the phrase "my team told me" sums up how out-of-touch you are with what was going on in the battle. It holds no merit because the reporting teammates were checking a range of points that are occupied about 60% of the time, while the snipers would have been asked to look down a range that is co-occupied about 2% of the time. You have to think these kinds of things through logically. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:04:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You said a whole lot to say nothing at all. Even included a couple of fancy words. Good job. It's all relative. "Those who are bound by desire see only that which can be held in their hands" A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Symbioticforks Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 295	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:06:00 - [28] - Quote I think by team. It was safe to assume he meant squad. Most people do not use team chat for communications. It's rather ineffective and annoying. I can't imagine why you would continue with your line of nonsensical thought. ^^CCP IGNORES ALL SNIPER RELATED ISSUES^^
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 235	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:17:00 - [29] - Quote I've only seen a few of your videos, mostly ones about tanks during the redline rail spamathon... But god damn this is brilliant. Sometimes you've got to be bad to be good, but you totally ignored the enemy snipers while trolling your own team, lol... I'm assuming you got them eventually. I'll be honest I have sometimes done this to idiots... Another good one is people that try to afk outside the mcc, you can just push them into the red zone (with enough time to waste.) I'll give you 8/10 for this, 10/10 would have been possible had you scooped one of your snipers next to theirs, lol.
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 43	Posted - 2014.07.31 11:23:00 - [30] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Have you actually used any of these sniping spots yourself? How easily do you think they could have truly spotted the other party? You only spotted them because you got close enough for your Passive scanners to pick them up. Did you watch it with the sound off? I said I was going up there because my team told me there were snipers up there. I prep my hardeners before they even show up on passive. So all of those guys on the tower were in your squad chat? Or were they not on comms? I doubt any of them were in team chat. The default for voice chat is "off" last I checked. Basically, if they're outside of your communication bubble the phrase "my team told me" sums up how out-of-touch you are with what was going on in the battle. It holds no merit because the reporting teammates were checking a range of points that are occupied about 60% of the time, while the snipers would have been asked to look down a range that is co-occupied about 2% of the time. You have to think these kinds of things through logically. Are you defending 7 snipers all looking at the same point, without even looking to counter-snipe, as a viable tactic?



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