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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4069	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:40:00 - [1] - Quote Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time? Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things. Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying. Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Cass Caul 82	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:43:00 - [2] - Quote Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless ** like going AFK. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4069	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. So, you are saying that people partaking in the team element of a TEAM based game are destroying the game. Not the fact that the team based game is being played predominantly by solo players not trying to successful defend or capture the objectives within that game mode? Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Cass Caul 82	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:48:00 - [4] - Quote No, I'm saying that 4-person squads are more balanced for a 16 v 16 match. I love running with more of my friends, but it's just impossible to balance in pub matches. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5595	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:49:00 - [5] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless ** like going AFK. Say what you want about Pub matches and squad / Q-Syncing, but FW is supposed to be built and focused on team play, it should be exactly like PC, but instead of teams representing their corporations, they represent their chosen faction. Personally, its the newbs that go solo in FW because they really don't know any better that ruin FW for me. Its just ridiculous that FW has not received team deploy yet. Pubs should be created for solo players, FW should be for squads and teams. I'm free! /o/
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7917	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:52:00 - [6] - Quote I run solo. \o/ King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Cass Caul 86	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:53:00 - [7] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I run solo. \o/ ~~Because you have no friends.~~ Lies! You don't even log in anymore. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 31	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:55:00 - [8] - Quote Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches..
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4072	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:58:00 - [9] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: No, I'm saying that 4-person squads are more balanced for a 16 v 16 match. I love running with more of my friends, but it's just impossible to balance in pub matches. I bet a lot of times you see those guys running amok and you think they are solo players, but the quality of skill from player to player is just that low now a days. Beta had more hard-core FPS players, you feel the lack of skill from a group and are blaming those that don't squad up. I'm blaming theshitberries for not finding a group of people that aren't satisfied racing LAVs in the back 40. I was a dude with a .4 KDR when Ugg Reset found me in a pub and invited me to PRO. I didn't want to get my teeth kicked in all the time. That's why we left PRO and started ML. We were tired of being around people that didn't want to win. Why is this so hard to do for the masses? Find people better than you and play with them. Figure out a way to contribute. The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win. CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
mollerz 4512	Posted - 2014.07.30 18:58:00 - [10] - Quote I like to be a random on squads. I'll rarely talk unless it's a good close match and info becomes critical. I typically snake eyes it though. I listen and when they need something, I come out of nowhere and do my best to provide it before disappearing again. Maybe it is just because I am a dedicated minja, but I tend to take outlier objectives while the rest of the team is wasting clones against a proto wall. 9 times out of ten, my solo ass provided my dipshit team a better score and chance than they had without me. But- to that end.. let's discuss why it is hard to squad up in a pub match. 1st) CCP, in one of their truly epic development fumbles, too away the war barge. It used ot eb we had a minute or more to squad up, check out your opponents roster, dry hump other toons.. it was a good thing. Why they removed it I'll never know. But I suspect it had to do with the introduction of the squad finder. I'll address that in a bit. But... 2nd) I think it was 1.3 or so, but they added a bug where there is a huge delay in pulling up your team's squads. It takes just long enough that you launch into the game before it will populate. As a strung out biotic minja, it is crucial I get the jump on all the heavies getting their instant LAVs. So waiting that delay out and getting into a squad is a liability and has to happen after I die the first time. 3rd) And we have squad finder. Since the war barge disappeared exactly when squad finder was released, I can only surmise they took the war barge in an effort to herd people to using the squad finder. I only just started using it for S&Gs, and I thought I heard that it was initially not working well at all. now, I guess you could say it is working well enough. But the problem is the caliber of people who advertise squads. You have AFK'd people, you have drunk hillbillies (it is oddly a common theme), then you have the pompous recruiting neckbeards who make me gag, and I could go on. I did find, one time, a cool squad using this tool, but then I got disconnected by CCP... soo.. ** me. As far ask AFKing, it is kind of silly to do that at this point. ***** play the game before it is shut off. You'll have spent all your time AFKing to have a SP roided toon.. that evaporates. Dingle Dust Berry.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4074	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:00:00 - [11] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. We don't sync pub matches. Never have. FW yes, pubs no. BUT we are very active and it happens that we run into each other on the same side from time to time. Some of my corp mates have great matches all the time. Perhaps me having 60 mil SP just puts me with the crappiest players in the history of video games?? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2381	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:01:00 - [12] - Quote I run solo... Because all my teammates ask me to. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4074	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:01:00 - [13] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 32	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:01:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win. CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that. They did. It was called corp battles, but once again, CCP found a way to ruin the best thing about dust...
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3723	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:02:00 - [15] - Quote I solo cause I'm skilled enough to top the leader board and sh*t isk on anything I want. Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 32	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:03:00 - [16] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? Its also where scruberries spend 100% of their time. Not everyone is amazing at this game. And sometimes, god forbid, you have to play alongside them...
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2381	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:04:00 - [17] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15506	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:06:00 - [18] - Quote I play solo. :< You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 32	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:08:00 - [19] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. No it wont. Not right away at least. I have a 1.25 kd as a logi, and I will s hit all over those noobs. But you keep ignoring this fact...
mollerz 4512	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:08:00 - [20] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. Oh really? You'll have matches with heavies and tankers on one map, and logis on a separate one... because KDR matchmaking. Dingle Dust Berry.

Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2382	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:10:00 - [21] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. No it wont. Not right away at least. I have a 1.25 kd as a logi, and I will s hit all over those noobs. But you keep ignoring this fact... Not right away, just in about a day. You act like you'd never see anyone with your level of lethality, which is exactly the point. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4075	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:11:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I play solo. :< I do TOOOOOOO But you are not the solo player I'm talking about. I just wanted the title to grab attention. I'm talking about theshitberries. The ones that make me go to team chat and plead with them to speak when I see their mic bubbles JUST to prove to me that they aren't CCP's shittty attempt at PVE. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Cass Caul 89	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:11:00 - [23] - Quote @ mollerz I like doing that on alts, such as this one, only to watch people see amazing score and them try to recruit me. Bonus points for when I get recruit offers for the corp I'm already in If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 34	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:13:00 - [24] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. No it wont. Not right away at least. I have a 1.25 kd as a logi, and I will s hit all over those noobs. But you keep ignoring this fact... Not right away, just in about a day. Do you know how many kills/deaths I have? I could kill 100 people and not die once and my K/D will barely move. It will be MUCH longer than a day.
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2382	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:18:00 - [25] - Quote mollerz wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. Oh really? You'll have matches with heavies and tankers on one map, and logis on a separate one... because KDR matchmaking. Assuming all the logis have similar kdrs that never change, of course. Which is what the thing does, it actually NEGATES kdr. You guys are beyond obtuse and firmly into superstitious denial. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2382	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:22:00 - [26] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: Do you know how many kills/deaths I have? I could kill 100 people and not die once and my K/D will barely move. It will be MUCH longer than a day. You'd meet your match, or you're just a god. If you are a god, I want some golden apples. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Justice Prevails 303	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:23:00 - [27] - Quote All I can say is that I play solo, but I bust my a** every match. Anybody AFKing now or ever is just an idiot who doesn't give a sh*t. Embracing my inner scrub since 2013.
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 797	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:24:00 - [28] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time? Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things. Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying. Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches. Wow you sound annoying. You really think it's solo players that make bad matches? Only bad matches I've ever experienced are a result of 6 man squads intent on stomping. I run solo all the time because running a squad is easy mode. How about you tell your squad to run only standard gear (or better yet hop out of your easy mode scouts/heavies and use starter fits) and see if match quality improves before blaming solo players. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Death Shadow117 Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 130	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:28:00 - [29] - Quote Solo players are killing this game? What the ** are you stupid. The full squads of proto stompers are the reason that people check the board anyways. If we didnt have all of these tryhards that have NO skill and come on and use their proto to completely *** destroy the full team of randoms maybe people would try. I play solo alot because i dont work well with others. If im soloing and i see a full squad of any GTA corp of course im not going to try. Because i know if i kill them once theyll try as hard as ***** possible to kill me. So yeah of course the solo players that dont/cant run proto and dont talk in team chat are the ones that are killing dust. Until squads are put against squads of equal skill the big corps like ml are the ones that are killing this game. What?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4075	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:31:00 - [30] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time? Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things. Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying. Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches. Wow you sound annoying. You really think it's solo players that make bad matches? Only bad matches I've ever experienced are a result of 6 man squads intent on stomping. I run solo all the time because running a squad is easy mode. How about you tell your squad to run only standard gear (or better yet hop out of your easy mode scouts/heavies and use starter fits) and see if match quality improves before blaming solo players. So instead of Dust being a game that is full of multiple squads engaged in intense combat you want it to be full of solo players running cheap gear? That actually sounds fun? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42

Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2193	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:34:00 - [31] - Quote I do both. I run in squads, scout squads vehicle squads, troll squads. Theres some days I revert to my actual RL mentality which is; I don't like people. I really don't. Therefore I play solo. Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4075	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:35:00 - [32] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Solo players are killing this game? What the ** are you stupid. The full squads of proto stompers are the reason that people check the board anyways. If we didnt have all of these tryhards that have NO skill and come on and use their proto to completely *** destroy the full team of randoms maybe people would try. I play solo alot because i dont work well with others. If im soloing and i see a full squad of any GTA corp of course im not going to try. Because i know if i kill them once theyll try as hard as *** possible to kill me. So yeah of course the solo players that dont/cant run proto and dont talk in team chat are the ones that are killing dust. Until squads are put against squads of equal skill the big corps like ml are the ones that are killing this game. And again, we have stupid reasoning. People playing the game within squads with gear they earned in the only game modes we can consistently run IS NOT a bad thing. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Void Echo Total Extinction 2648	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:40:00 - [33] - Quote i always solo in matches, the only time I will ever squad up with anyone is if its a PC match or I know the people in the squad.... otherwise your on your own... I learned how to play the game by myself, I didn't have any help with the SP or the statistics and I made it. Closed Beta Vet. PSN: Helix-Void_Echo Only the strongest can do Good and the weakest do Evil- Void Echo
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 798	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:46:00 - [34] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: So instead of Dust being a game that is full of multiple squads engaged in intense combat you want it to be full of solo players running cheap gear? That actually sounds fun? Well besides the fact that Scotty is too much of an idiot to actually match up multiple full squads against each other... Yes it does sound like fun. A game where the playing field is leveled and people stop trying so hard to win. Don't mix solo players and cheap gear. I run proto solo all the time because I like the challenge. 6 people in MLT > one person in proto; if you want better matches play with starter fits in your squad. I guarantee matches will be more "intense". Point is that you are blaming everyone for bad matches except yourself. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Grimmiers 643	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:47:00 - [35] - Quote I play solo mostly with music, but i'll hop in a random squad to make use of my warpoints.
mollerz 4516	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:48:00 - [36] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: And again, we have stupid reasoning. People playing the game within squads with gear they earned in the only game modes we can consistently run IS NOT a bad thing. And neither are solo players. You are the one making a big thing out of it. Here's a hint: CCP is the one ruining dust. Dingle Dust Berry.
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2385	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:51:00 - [37] - Quote mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: And again, we have stupid reasoning. People playing the game within squads with gear they earned in the only game modes we can consistently run IS NOT a bad thing. And neither are solo players. You are the one making a big thing out of it. Here's a hint: CCP is the one ruining dust. I disagree with the present tense, it was ruined a while back. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
mollerz 4518	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:52:00 - [38] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: And again, we have stupid reasoning. People playing the game within squads with gear they earned in the only game modes we can consistently run IS NOT a bad thing. And neither are solo players. You are the one making a big thing out of it. Here's a hint: CCP is the one ruining dust. I disagree with the present tense, it was ruined a while back. Well, I guess you may as well say it was ruined from inception Dingle Dust Berry.
Onesimus Tarsus Grundstein Automation 2385	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:53:00 - [39] - Quote mollerz wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: And again, we have stupid reasoning. People playing the game within squads with gear they earned in the only game modes we can consistently run IS NOT a bad thing. And neither are solo players. You are the one making a big thing out of it. Here's a hint: CCP is the one ruining dust. I disagree with the present tense, it was ruined a while back. Well, I guess you may as well say it was ruined from inception Nothing was as ruined as Inception. Wait. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2931	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:58:00 - [40] - Quote I tend to solo. When in a squad I'm actually competitive and that's not always fun, for me. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 980	Posted - 2014.07.30 19:59:00 - [41] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. I can agree with this totally . I just shake my head when I see players using prototype suits , now weapons I just don't care about and maybe I should but when I see the whole set up ... playing against people who are running straight MLT the whole match and their kill feed repeats militia weapons , this is what I have a problem with . I just don't believe that anyone should wear proto in a pub match , now FW I could care less but like you said , when they sync in pubs , 6 person squads knowing that there faced against militia players and they still run proto , I believe that's a far bigger problem then solo players . As far as AFKing , maybe they just don't want to play against the same proto squads while fielding militia , so I use to get upset at that but now I understand . Why let yourself be cannon fodder ? That's just flat out stupid . As far as solo players go , I play solo but I understand the concept of team and I see players on that same team , that would let their team mate die in a gun fight ... I mean three and four players just sitting there watching someone get killed just because their not in their squad , now what's worst than that ..??.. when it's suppose to be a team game with squad elements but the team is bigger than a squad . I totally agree with you Cass . I see it everyday and it's a bigger problem than what the OP considers . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2193	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:05:00 - [42] - Quote What if they added in a WP system in for helping your team mates/squad mates. for example: Savior +10WP (Intervened and saved a friendly merc from certain death) Squad savior + 20wp (Intervened and saved a squad member from certain death) this would maybe make helping the doomed bloob worthwhile, and also promote the idea of squads. This of course would be after new WP milestone rewards are added, so that we are not just working for an orbital strike.(radar boosts, radar jammers, comms mutes, installation call in etc etc etc) Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4075	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:06:00 - [43] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. I can agree with this totally . I just shake my head when I see players using prototype suits , now weapons I just don't care about and maybe I should but when I see the whole set up ... playing against people who are running straight MLT the whole match and their kill feed repeats militia weapons , this is what I have a problem with . I just don't believe that anyone should wear proto in a pub match , now FW I could care less but like you said , when they sync in pubs , 6 person squads knowing that there faced against militia players and they still run proto , I believe that's a far bigger problem then solo players . As far as AFKing , maybe they just don't want to play against the same proto squads while fielding militia , so I use to get upset at that but now I understand . Why let yourself be cannon fodder ? That's just flat out stupid . As far as solo players go , I play solo but I understand the concept of team and I see players on that same team , that would let their team mate die in a gun fight ... I mean three and four players just sitting there watching someone get killed just because their not in their squad , now what's worst than that ..??.. when it's suppose to be a team game with squad elements but the team is bigger than a squad . I totally agree with you Cass . I see it everyday and it's a bigger problem than what the OP considers . This makes me want to put my head through sheet rock. WHERE SHOULD people use their proto? Why FW? What about the current mechanics of FW makes it okay to use proto? Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
mollerz 4518	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:06:00 - [44] - Quote Or entire squads who snipe form rooftops.. meanwhile no objectives are gettign tackled, they aren't covering me when I do. These are the same squads you see rolling around mother ducck style with her ducklings.. all militia gear, looking like bots their movement is so ridiculous. They amble so slowly and get wiped the ** out regularly. it's just dumb. I find most matches during the afternoon are chock full of that type of "team play" and it is impossible to get away from it. Trying to get into a FW match takes 15 minutes or more sometimes.. ** that. I usually just give up. The player base is getting more and more anemic. Dingle Dust Berry.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 980	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:08:00 - [45] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. Say what you want about Pub matches and squad / Q-Syncing, but FW is supposed to be built and focused on team play, it should be exactly like PC, but instead of teams representing their corporations, they represent their chosen faction. Personally, its the newbs that go solo in FW because they really don't know any better that ruin FW for me. Its just ridiculous that FW has not received team deploy yet. Pubs should be created for solo players, FW should be for squads and teams. I don't know what FW you play but when I play , it's the team killers that are in squads who team kill ... I've had it happen to me on several occasions , that kill FW for me ... I mean If you want to play for that faction just do it , why ruin the game for those who are trying to enjoy themselves and on top of that , they squad while team kill . People have excuses for that type of behavior but I don't condone it at all and to me that cheapens the experience . Screw espionage , just fight for the faction that you choose and stop trying to run in squads team killing . That to me is more of a coward move instead of just dying for your cause , you have to pretend to be and fight for something that you don't believe in and ruin the experience for those who are really trying to fight for a particular faction . Yeah condone it all you like and I'm not talking about you Knight but I'm sure that there are those out there who will because that is what they do . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
Clone D Grundstein Automation 684	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:10:00 - [46] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: So instead of Dust being a game that is full of multiple squads engaged in intense combat you want it to be full of solo players running cheap gear? That actually sounds fun? I run solo all of the time and I raise the level of intensity of the combat. Lonewolf players won't ruin the game. There are many styles of play and all are welcome. A group of isolated lonewolves can operate competitively and cooperatively simply by being competent players, able to see what needs to be done on the battlefield. The only thing that has the potential to ruin the game is the game developer. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4077	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:11:00 - [47] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: What if they added in a WP system in for helping your team mates/squad mates. for example: Savior +10WP (Intervened and saved a friendly merc from certain death) Squad savior + 20wp (Intervened and saved a squad member from certain death) this would maybe make helping the doomed bloob worthwhile, and also promote the idea of squads. This of course would be after new WP milestone rewards are added, so that we are not just working for an orbital strike.(radar boosts, radar jammers, comms mutes, installation call in etc etc etc) I always thought there should be accelerated WP when doing something around the objectives. Along with a more weighted payout to the winner and those on the winning team who contributed more. Maybe having leadership skills like those in Eve to give boosts to squad mates. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 982	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:11:00 - [48] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. I can agree with this totally . I just shake my head when I see players using prototype suits , now weapons I just don't care about and maybe I should but when I see the whole set up ... playing against people who are running straight MLT the whole match and their kill feed repeats militia weapons , this is what I have a problem with . I just don't believe that anyone should wear proto in a pub match , now FW I could care less but like you said , when they sync in pubs , 6 person squads knowing that there faced against militia players and they still run proto , I believe that's a far bigger problem then solo players . As far as AFKing , maybe they just don't want to play against the same proto squads while fielding militia , so I use to get upset at that but now I understand . Why let yourself be cannon fodder ? That's just flat out stupid . As far as solo players go , I play solo but I understand the concept of team and I see players on that same team , that would let their team mate die in a gun fight ... I mean three and four players just sitting there watching someone get killed just because their not in their squad , now what's worst than that ..??.. when it's suppose to be a team game with squad elements but the team is bigger than a squad . I totally agree with you Cass . I see it everyday and it's a bigger problem than what the OP considers . This makes me want to put my head through sheet rock. WHERE SHOULD people use their proto? Why FW? What about the current mechanics of FW makes it okay to use proto? Why use proto against known noob players ??? What does that say about your play style and the fact that you can't even give them the benefit of the doubt and at least use advanced . Wonder why newer players talk about getting proto stomped . A shame that you even try to defend this type of behavior . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12378	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:12:00 - [49] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. You don't want to deal with Militia's and squad? Stay the hell out of FW then. Pubs are where you can derp around and * and moan that your UP and you can derp your way around winning solo. Don't come into a mode with consequences and purpose solo wanting to farm LP you don't deserve because you aren't loyal and * and moan that players who are ** you over will little trouble "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:13:00 - [50] - Quote I had a lot to say but then i realized ccp just needs to make a mode for squad only and a mode for solo players only. The syncing will happen but it's not gonna be enough to ruin the whole mode. That way solo players can enjoy themselves as usual and squaded "needtowineverymatch" players can bash their proto gears against each other and frolic in matches fill with proto scouts and heavies. I myself am not suited for a squad as i horse around too much, (snipe, spend the whole match hunting 1 player, ect) God knows i love horsing around.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4077	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:13:00 - [51] - Quote mollerz wrote: Or entire squads who snipe form rooftops.. meanwhile no objectives are gettign tackled, they aren't covering me when I do. These are the same squads you see rolling around mother ducck style with her ducklings.. all militia gear, looking like bots their movement is so ridiculous. They amble so slowly and get wiped the ** out regularly. it's just dumb. I find most matches during the afternoon are chock full of that type of "team play" and it is impossible to get away from it. Trying to get into a FW match takes 15 minutes or more sometimes.. that. I usually just give up. The player base is getting more and more anemic. I can't stand that either, but then if you had more squads in the matches holding down objectives it would be easier to leave the ONE your team is holding to remove whatever cowards are camping somewhere to get easy kills. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4077	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:14:00 - [52] - Quote Beastlina wrote: I had a lot to say but then i realized ccp just needs to make a mode for squad only and a mode for solo players only. The syncing will happen but it's not gonna be enough to ruin the whole mode. That way solo players can enjoy themselves as usual and squaded "needtowineverymatch" players can bash their proto gears against each other and frolic in matches fill with proto scouts and heavies. I myself am not suited for a squad as i horse around too much, (snipe, spend the whole match hunting 1 player, ect) God knows i love horsing around. Ambush should have been vehicle and squad free. SOLVED Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
mollerz 4523	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:16:00 - [53] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: This makes me want to put my head through sheet rock. WHERE SHOULD people use their proto? Why FW? What about the current mechanics of FW makes it okay to use proto? I don't mind when people wear proto, but at the same time, CCP developed a game where even if you skill to proto, you can't barely afford to run it unless you go into a corp. They need to fix their ***** economy so the pay outs are higher. At least let us sell salvage for cost or some . When I read that Eve has an "economist" on staff it makes me roll my motherfucking eyes. Mainly because I know an economist is basically a glorified history teacher that regurgitates the same old same old established math. Anyone could do that job with a month of reading. Yet- what economic changes has dust seen? Almost none, and definitely none that weren't plain harmful. What a ***** joke. Dingle Dust Berry.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2195	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:16:00 - [54] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: What if they added in a WP system in for helping your team mates/squad mates. for example: Savior +10WP (Intervened and saved a friendly merc from certain death) Squad savior + 20wp (Intervened and saved a squad member from certain death) this would maybe make helping the doomed bloob worthwhile, and also promote the idea of squads. This of course would be after new WP milestone rewards are added, so that we are not just working for an orbital strike.(radar boosts, radar jammers, comms mutes, installation call in etc etc etc) I always thought there should be accelerated WP when doing something around the objectives. Along with a more weighted payout to the winner and those on the winning team who contributed more. Maybe having leadership skills like those in Eve to give boosts to squad mates. I think classes should gain better WP when operating around an objective. Logistics gain a small improvement when healing, restocking, reviving etc around objectives. Heavy HMG, better WP when holding or breaching an objective, WP gained through both kills and damage dealt Scouts intel points and hack points Assualts 100WP for every second they don't run away from a heavy or a scout or a logi LOL Always makes sense to me ingame to reward people not just for kills or assist but for real team work. Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4080	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:20:00 - [55] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: What if they added in a WP system in for helping your team mates/squad mates. for example: Savior +10WP (Intervened and saved a friendly merc from certain death) Squad savior + 20wp (Intervened and saved a squad member from certain death) this would maybe make helping the doomed bloob worthwhile, and also promote the idea of squads. This of course would be after new WP milestone rewards are added, so that we are not just working for an orbital strike.(radar boosts, radar jammers, comms mutes, installation call in etc etc etc) I always thought there should be accelerated WP when doing something around the objectives. Along with a more weighted payout to the winner and those on the winning team who contributed more. Maybe having leadership skills like those in Eve to give boosts to squad mates. I think classes should gain better WP when operating around an objective. Logistics gain a small improvement when healing, restocking, reviving etc around objectives. Heavy HMG, better WP when holding or breaching an objective, WP gained through both kills and damage dealt Scouts intel points and hack points Assualts 100WP for every second they don't run away from a heavy or a scout or a logi LOL Always makes sense to me ingame to reward people not just for kills or assist but for real team work. For sure, somehow this all came down to me being in a big corp that does PC and being an a hole. I love Dust, it's an amazing game. I've gotten my face kicked in by the best teams in the game. And I've had wins against teams we weren't supposed to beat. It's an amazing game when played as a team. CCP was always too chickshite to embrace it instead of build around it. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7920	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:21:00 - [56] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I run solo. \o/ ~~Because you have no friends.~~ Lies! You don't even log in anymore. ;-; King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 983	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:21:00 - [57] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Perhaps me having 60 mil SP just puts me with the crappiest players in the history of video games?? Or maybe you have that much of an advantage over everyone else seeing as how most of the players like yourself quit after FF . Players like yourself seem like the one's always complaining about something when your setting on top of the mountain looking down on everyone else and you have it so easy it's unreal . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:26:00 - [58] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time? Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things. Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying. Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches. Wow you sound annoying. You really think it's solo players that make bad matches? Only bad matches I've ever experienced are a result of 6 man squads intent on stomping. I run solo all the time because running a squad is easy mode. How about you tell your squad to run only standard gear (or better yet hop out of your easy mode scouts/heavies and use starter fits) and see if match quality improves before blaming solo players. So instead of Dust being a game that is full of multiple squads engaged in intense combat you want it to be full of solo players running cheap gear? That actually sounds fun? why dont you take your full proto squad and go play pc and fw if you don tlike playing with random solo people in pubs its bltchmaids like you who ruin pubs for all the new people so bad they quit aftera few battles, wtf do you need to use more than one proto suit in a pub for anyway, why is it so bad to just use advanced or milita gear in pubs for you dlcklords? CORP BATTLES 2.0 DEMAND IT DEATH TO PLANETARY CRAPFEST
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2961	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:30:00 - [59] - Quote Solo players are a huge part of the community, and they're horribly disadvantaged compared to organized teams. Solo players also make up the bulk of newcomers to the game, people who haven't yet gotten sucked in and found their niche with a corp. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1955	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:34:00 - [60] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: All I can say is that I play solo, but I bust my a** every match. Anybody AFKing now or ever is just an idiot who doesn't give a sht. Something like that. I was so angry after reading the Uprising 1.7 patch notes my Sentinel Main spent the next seven weeks AFKing. For 356 games in a row my boots never touched the ground. Mild agoraphobia was setting in. On the bright side my watch lost on Hulu was greatly reduced. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!* >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>

Zindorak 1.U.P 199	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:37:00 - [61] - Quote i dont really run solo. I run with my corp or some people in chat channels so i can win and have more fun. On FW i also run with squads except we do this thing where 2-3 squads deploy at the same time so we r on the same team so we can stomp so hard Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:41:00 - [62] - Quote mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: This makes me want to put my head through sheet rock. WHERE SHOULD people use their proto? Why FW? What about the current mechanics of FW makes it okay to use proto? I don't mind when people wear proto, but at the same time, CCP developed a game where even if you skill to proto, you can't barely afford to run it unless you go into a corp. They need to fix their ***** economy so the pay outs are higher. At least let us sell salvage for cost or some . When I read that Eve has an "economist" on staff it makes me roll my motherfucking eyes. Mainly because I know an economist is basically a glorified history teacher that regurgitates the same old same old established math. Anyone could do that job with a month of reading. Yet- what economic changes has dust seen? Almost none, and definitely none that weren't plain harmful. What a ***** joke. There is no economy, it dosnt exist in this game, you cant base an economy only on pvp, it requiers static resources that can be claimed and harvested by the players , access to resources should be the main driver of conflict just like in eve. dust without resources is like eve without asteroids, the economy wont ever work if there are no resources.
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:53:00 - [63] - Quote Zindorak wrote: i dont really run solo. I run with my corp or some people in chat channels so i can win and have more fun. On FW i also run with squads except we do this thing where 2-3 squads deploy at the same time so we r on the same team so we can stomp so hard My troll senses are tingling.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1741	Posted - 2014.07.30 20:56:00 - [64] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless ** like going AFK. So, you are saying that people partaking in the team element of a TEAM based game are destroying the game. Not the fact that the team based game is being played predominantly by solo players not trying to successful defend or capture the objectives within that game mode? Yes. I only agree cause, stomping people who are noobs isnt right, but its how its always been. And they dont try, so its a mix of the two. Teamwork is OP, unwillingtotryers are idiots. And these guys semi deserve the it CUSE YOUR NOT . Some, no resources, no know how no nothing. This games needs getting used to. It sucks. But for you who sit and complain is not making anything better. PSN Sil4nt Chaozz Autistic, artist, scout, OCD\ADHD\BI-Polar.... with a hint of sanity.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4083	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:10:00 - [65] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Solo players are a huge part of the community, and they're horribly disadvantaged compared to organized teams. Solo players also make up the bulk of newcomers to the game, people who haven't yet gotten sucked in and found their niche with a corp. This is the take right here that I read in response to calls for team deploy or payouts based on winning, etc OVER AND OVER again. Newcomers to the community would have found out pretty quickly they needed to get in a group if CCP would have built Dust around team play. But they didn't. They were worried about the new players to the point that we got nothing for new players. No new game modes or ANYTHING. PC is the one game mode that is the acceptable place to run proto and stomp as a team. But you have to schedule it 24 to 48 hours in advance!!!!! Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 229	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:36:00 - [66] - Quote There are people out there that go solo & do more for their team than most of the crappy pre-made squads that plague the game... It's only because people are (for some reason) scared to fight against a bunch of people with the same corp name, that the match becomes dull and boring. Even full squads do absolute ** vs 2 or 3 people who actually know what they're doing. People need to stop blaming different groups of players for the problems, quite clearly, caused by the game... -Give an incentive to actually win the match. -Fix the terrible maps. -Do something about the easy-mode barrage spam (which they are trying, but I doubt will get right.) -Give a decent amount of isk... Yes there used to be an idea of balancing your money with your battles, but that went out of whack when half the game got a ton of money from an error in development and the other half didn't... So now the only balance is to let everyone spam **, then it's even.
Guiltless D667 68	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:05:00 - [67] - Quote There's more challenge and flexibility(I can leave if i know the match is ******) in the game playing solo than playing in a squad and insta win the momonet your squad his the ground. Solo players wont be the end,however the lack of a worth while match to match experience will be the end of the game. A Strange Game. Crysis 514
Death Shadow117 Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 133	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:17:00 - [68] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: WHERE SHOULD people use their proto? Why FW? What about the current mechanics of FW makes it okay to use proto? This is a stupod question. Use proto to stomp the enemy when they are USING proto. If you need proto to kill mlt players you just need some skill. Your suit shouldn't support you its supposed to be yoir tool not your crutch. Until i see you get proto stomped 24/7 by nyan san you have no argument. What?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12390	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:23:00 - [69] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: WHERE SHOULD people use their proto? Why FW? What about the current mechanics of FW makes it okay to use proto? This is a stupod question. Use proto to stomp the enemy when they are USING proto. If you need proto to kill mlt players you just need some skill. Your suit shouldn't support you its supposed to be your tool not your crutch. Until i see you get proto stomped 24/7 by nyan san you have no argument. But its not that you need it.... It's that you can, and there is no sense handicapping yourself to impress people you don't even know. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 205	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:31:00 - [70] - Quote AFK =/= non squad players. I've seen squads who stomp together AFK together. I've seen AV cross fitters doing their squats one day and then the next driving tanks in a squad. Mind you I have never seen j eru kill anyone else despite dying from falling as the first casuality in a lot of games. =][= The match maker is what is broken. It isn't balancing squad vs squad it just dumps the next player in the smallest team plus his or her squad. It doesn't look at which side is winning or already had squads. Plenty of games I've joined and seen a single full squad vs two or three and two of them are farming. Not One Lifetime

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5560	Posted - 2014.07.30 22:43:00 - [71] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time? Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things. Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying. Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches. 1st- PRO wouldnt kick my ass, couldn't do it in MAG could do it in DUST. They were a solid team thou,. Props to quickgloves for the PRO initiative back then. 2nd-Not all solo players are the same. Im a solo player MOST of the times (except like once a week or in PC's) and i have fun even while being proto stomped. I just wear an invisible suit and be the ghost that annoys you and your team with even if you are going to win. 3rd-The best FPS Multi player game i've ever played was MAG, but Dust is second probably. 4th - You really hate solo players huh... The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 167	Posted - 2014.07.30 23:03:00 - [72] - Quote I solo all the time, i even solo in proto gear. I logi anyone and everyone. I'm also the solo player with uplinks and nano hives. I like small squads too, 2 or 3 people who wait for scans and like to kill sht. To tell you the truth the reason why i don't always squad (i do squad maybe for an hour or two) is i'd rather be listening to music and getting high things that inter fear with the mic, i enjoy the game 10x more that way. It wouldn't be a problem but i think squad commands are @ss and very few people know how to use them properly so mics are almost a must in squads. Also too, the organized 6 man squad gets mad boring--following around a heavy. When i see a heavy with 3 logis attached to him i think "wtf that looks like some boring sht!" I'd rather rep the commandos and assaults.
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2014.07.30 23:07:00 - [73] - Quote dust isnt even close to being on par with mag ever and it never will be if ccp dosnt resume proper development
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 718	Posted - 2014.07.30 23:20:00 - [74] - Quote Solo player, solo Corp. Yet, I'm consistently in the top of my matches. Am I ruining the game? If anything, I give all of those nooberries that Scotty deployed my solo ass with a chance of winning. Albeit a slim chance, but a chance. If I run with a squad or were to join a working Corp, my value on the field is diminished - in my opinion, because I am almost forced to play a particular way. They expect me to roll a bricked Sentinel for the whole match when that's only a portion of where I put in my work. They don't want their Heavy to be the one throwing good Uplinks or pushing just enough AV to make a hole. I think Corps and that pack mentality ruin the game. Limited diversity, fishbowl communities, repetitive tactics, etc... it's kinda cheesy. Who farted?
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1144	Posted - 2014.07.30 23:26:00 - [75] - Quote they AFK for sport, and to carry the torch of past AFKers. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 495	Posted - 2014.07.30 23:50:00 - [76] - Quote I've observed a general deterioration in the quality of Dust mercs, as well; I think it's probably due to a fair amount of newer players, and a lot of the old ones leaving after the FF debacle. Smurfs just don't seem to know what they are doing anymore, even the simple basics of how to win a particular map. Six months ago, you could land on a team of randoms, and you would have a fair chance of winning, even with no communication, because everybody knew in a general sort of way how a particular map should be attacked or defended, and what points on any map need to be controlled in order to win. You would have mercs that generally knew what their roles required of them, and how to adapt. Seems like a lot of this basic, fundamental knowledge has not been translated to noobs, though, probably because they aren't in the right kind of corp. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2741	Posted - 2014.07.31 00:13:00 - [77] - Quote I run solo unless my three man corp decides to hop on to chat. Me no likey having to save other people. I'll do so if I feel like it.
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 25	Posted - 2014.07.31 00:15:00 - [78] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. We don't sync pub matches. Never have. FW yes, pubs no. BUT we are very active and it happens that we run into each other on the same side from time to time. Some of my corp mates have great matches all the time. Perhaps me having 60 mil SP just puts me with the crappiest players in the history of video games?? Some people just really enjoy solo play, have you ever considered that. I don't know what kind of life you live but when I get home after a 13hour workday and decide that tonight is the night I will shoot things for 2 hours, take a guess at how much I feel like communicating with a squad of 5 others and be the best out there. I adopted a solo play style that works well enough. But now factor in the matchmaking system. I can't recall how often I've come up versus a squad of say 4 Prima Gallicus dudes who also have on their team, a Rainbow Effect guy, 2 What The French players and one or two Maphia Clan or Italian Hunters. How depressing is this, when you realise your entire team consists of random people with no big names around. I'm not saying you can't win but it's gonna be damn hard - communication vs complete unawareness. Even if I squad up with the people on my side, we are not a built squad, so to speak. We could be 1 GalScout and 5 random assaults or militia heavies. The corps who take 4-6 into a game are built around each other. What hope do I have with my team of beating you if your already awesome proto heavy with his Logi friend is using the shared passive scans from the proto Cal Scout. I could try sneaking up but really, it won't work. And even if we manage that we're still up against better gear and more importantly better players. Your communication then allows you to adapt quickly to defeat - even if you all die you'll talk about who is gonna get a dropship up to point X so you can then rain havoc on the objective, or get others back into the match faster. We're always up against a tide that pushes us down faster than we can swim up. If you want proper resistance, just run militia fits in Pubs and see if it matters. You'll probably still win but you're evening the odds a little more. But don't cry when the other team has a full squad proto stomping.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1059	Posted - 2014.07.31 00:35:00 - [79] - Quote I ran solo and I was super productive. Between being a real logi and an active hatred for red vehicles I raked in the WP. The game feels like its dying because it is and it started to the moment CCP spent all of fan fest talking about another game. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4093	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:07:00 - [80] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: There are people out there that go solo & do more for their team than most of the crappy pre-made squads that plague the game... It's only because people are (for some reason) scared to fight against a bunch of people with the same corp name, that the match becomes dull and boring. Even full squads do absolute ** vs 2 or 3 people who actually know what they're doing. People need to stop blaming different groups of players for the problems, quite clearly, caused by the game... -Give an incentive to actually win the match. -Fix the terrible maps. -Do something about the easy-mode barrage spam (which they are trying, but I doubt will get right.) -Give a decent amount of isk... Yes there used to be an idea of balancing your money with your battles, but that went out of whack when half the game got a ton of money from an error in development and the other half didn't... So now the only balance is to let everyone spam , then it's even. I agree with all of that. I got all these likes pleading for most of that for over a year. It wasn't half the game either, it was a tiny amount of players. Of which are also among the most likely to be in a squad using OP teamwork. This game would be amazing with just the ability to sell assets (don't care if it's to NPC) and more avenues for team play. A UI to build teams/squads would be cool as well. You could even make FW teams that aren't quite full to be filled by randoms and thrown into team chat by default. Give two minutes of war barge time and you'd have FCs running things in FW. You'd have some serious breeding of future PC teams not to mention the uptick of quality FCs. I think Dust would kick ass with some FW changes. If they did it right people could potentially be using districts in PC to train for FW. Tons of salvage and the ability to sell items (if sold to NPC you wouldn't even need a UI, just an option to sell) would make FW a big freakin deal. People would buy FW boosters for that. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 686	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:07:00 - [81] - Quote My objectives in DUST, in order are: Win, and have fun If you can't have fun, win If you cant win, have fun If you cant win OR have fun..... edit your fittings. Where is an acceptable place to pull out Proto gear? I played the game for 2 years to be able to wear my best fits.....1 game a day? or 2? Only pull it out if somebody else does? So I should tank my first death in a starter suit to "Get a feel" for what the enemy team is doing? There are some really weird perspectives in the community I promise. It's cool because we are all here to play our own game I guess.... I personally feel like I do a bit better in my ADV gear because the tension of losing ISK (which I dont know why it's tense I have tons of ISK) makes me alter my playing, but I do like to whip out the easy mode here and there. The same reason I try to play as much of the match as I can NOT in my heavy suit, it does feel a bit cheap. However, everybody should be free to do what they feel, run what they want, and get whatever result they want. After all it's "just a game" right? Edit: I also only squad with people I enjoy playing with, and when they aren't available I do run solo. I'm only available to play when I have the time, and I would rather not waste it trying to fill a squad with people I can count on to watch my ass, if I cant trust players for that Id just as soon not have any green dots deluding me. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3430	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:08:00 - [82] - Quote I get bored pretty quickly in squad, unless its a small or really bad squad. Don't understand how pubstompers get any entertainment out of the game. No threat, no challenge, no fun, no glory. Guaranteed a challenge running solo :-) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4093	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:19:00 - [83] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: My objectives in DUST, in order are: Win, and have fun If you can't have fun, win If you cant win, have fun If you cant win OR have fun..... edit your fittings. Where is an acceptable place to pull out Proto gear? I played the game for 2 years to be able to wear my best fits.....1 game a day? or 2? Only pull it out if somebody else does? So I should tank my first death in a starter suit to "Get a feel" for what the enemy team is doing? There are some really weird perspectives in the community I promise. It's cool because we are all here to play our own game I guess.... I personally feel like I do a bit better in my ADV gear because the tension of losing ISK (which I dont know why it's tense I have tons of ISK) makes me alter my playing, but I do like to whip out the easy mode here and there. The same reason I try to play as much of the match as I can NOT in my heavy suit, it does feel a bit cheap. However, everybody should be free to do what they feel, run what they want, and get whatever result they want. After all it's "just a game" right? Edit: I also only squad with people I enjoy playing with, and when they aren't available I do run solo. I'm only available to play when I have the time, and I would rather not waste it trying to fill a squad with people I can count on to watch my ass, if I cant trust players for that Id just as soon not have any green dots deluding me. Lots of good perspective there. I wish I defaulted to that line of thinking more often. But the game just feels too random to me right now. It's like we've got 1/50th of a Sandbox but 80% of the playerbase (totally pulled out of thin air) is playing like this is some huge MMO. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4093	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:23:00 - [84] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: I get bored pretty quickly in squad, unless its a small or really bad squad. Don't understand how pubstompers get any entertainment out of the game. No threat, no challenge, no fun, no glory. Guaranteed a challenge running solo :-) Every 20 matches or so you get a good fight it seems. I think what gets me going is that it's a majority of players on both sides not doing anything. I'd rather dudes throw down and ask me for ISK after the match. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
mollerz 4536	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:25:00 - [85] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: But the game just feels too random to me right now. It's like we've got 1/50th of a Sandbox but 80% of the playerbase (totally pulled out of thin air) is playing like this is some huge MMO. The death of the dust sandbox was the worst part of everything. I had the impression that one day eve and dust would fully merge and it would have been ***** insane awesome. that ain't happening and that is a real ***** shame. Dingle Dust Berry.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 687	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:46:00 - [86] - Quote mollerz wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: But the game just feels too random to me right now. It's like we've got 1/50th of a Sandbox but 80% of the playerbase (totally pulled out of thin air) is playing like this is some huge MMO. The death of the dust sandbox was the worst part of everything. I had the impression that one day eve and dust would fully merge and it would have been ***** insane awesome. that ain't happening and that is a real ***** shame. Truth on both parts, the dust community is split between ppl who don't know what it was striving for, ppl who never cared, ppl who are delusional about it, and ppl who are realistic. The folks left in games are all playing for different reasons, winning, having fun, just to shoot stuff, and out of habit in the hopes of a brighter future. Ppl still feel obligated to cap weekly scared that they may miss even a drop of sp in case legion is transferable. DUST is like limbo. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
taxi bastard jihad taxi co. 166	Posted - 2014.07.31 01:54:00 - [87] - Quote I play solo, I like a challenge and tbh that's why I play the game. certain play styles suit groups - others solo play I happen to be the latter. over half the time ill top the leader board and its rare for me to be out of the top 3. people talk about solo players like we are the problem in Dust, yet we are the majority. although I do not mind killing proto suits its a huge advantage for those who use them over your run of the mill player struggling along in his basic suit. yet I have yet to see many squads out there tone down their gear because they are facing a bunch of new players in starter corps in their 6 man squads. infact I rarely see solo players using proto it is always 6 man squads who persist in tank/ADS spamming and proto stomping although they know by doing so they are killing any chance of competition. its one reason I don't squad often, people up their gear and stomp like hell to chest thump and I would much rather be on the receiving end where I can get a challenge and cost them isk. if you want a challenge in your "leet" squad, play in starter fits, militia frames and basic suits like the majority of the players in dust. you should have a large advantage in passive skills, teamwork and squad shared tacnet data so if you loose you know you have been beaten by a better man, and send him a gg after the battle.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 502	Posted - 2014.07.31 20:51:00 - [88] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: I ran solo and I was super productive. Between being a real logi and an active hatred for red vehicles I raked in the WP. The game feels like its dying because it is and it started to the moment CCP spent all of fan fest talking about another game. Sometimes I run solo as a logi too, and I generally place in the top 3 of most matchs due to WP, but you know, I think the only reason I'm any good at it as a solo player is because of all the squad play I've done. I, like many vets, know what needs to be supported where, and when to do it. Sad thing is, Dust doesn't have to die, although you're right, I get the same type of feeling. I mean, it might not realize the vision that CCP originally had for it, but I'm honestly ok with that -- Legion can be all the things that they originally wanted for Dust, and we can have our little shooter. There's no reason Dust and Legion can't exist side by side (maybe Legion can take PC, and we can keep FW, that would be cool). All it would take are some fundamental changes (like meta-level gear capped matches) to reduce protostomping; UIs that encourage team play like the ones Thor references; improvements to existing maps (like non-protective cover? Bushes, other flora? some of the crater maps could have entire forests in them, how fun would that be?) and this game could have a decent future. I'd be willing to resume buying boosters if CCP is willing to make improvements. I'd even pay for a monthly subscription; Dust is worth $5 to $15 bucks a month to me, if it means continued development. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
Icarus DelSol PROTO WOLVES 54	Posted - 2014.07.31 22:16:00 - [89] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: No, I'm saying that 4-person squads are more balanced for a 16 v 16 match. I love running with more of my friends, but it's just impossible to balance in pub matches. I bet a lot of times you see those guys running amok and you think they are solo players, but the quality of skill from player to player is just that low now a days. Beta had more hard-core FPS players, you feel the lack of skill from a group and are blaming those that don't squad up. I'm blaming theshitberries for not finding a group of people that aren't satisfied racing LAVs in the back 40. I was a dude with a .4 KDR when Ugg Reset found me in a pub and invited me to PRO. I didn't want to get my teeth kicked in all the time. That's why we left PRO and started ML. We were tired of being around people that didn't want to win. Why is this so hard to do for the masses? Find people better than you and play with them. Figure out a way to contribute. The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win. CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that. I run solo frequently now because everyone I squadded with pre-Fanfest plays so irregularly now or has left altogether. Squad finder has been hit or miss, and even my channels haven't provided many people I enjoy playing with. And so I run solo. I hate losing, and it's really frustrating that almost every match now is decided by one good squad and a bunch of randoms or newberries, but it's more fun than a squad with loud music in the background, or a screaming little brother, or racist/sexist/homophobic morons spewing garbage the whole time. TL;DR - solo players aren't the problem, they're a symptom. I love squadding up, it's why I've played for so long, the pickins are just slim these days. Wanna squad?
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1062	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:06:00 - [90] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: I ran solo and I was super productive. Between being a real logi and an active hatred for red vehicles I raked in the WP. The game feels like its dying because it is and it started to the moment CCP spent all of fan fest talking about another game. Sometimes I run solo as a logi too, and I generally place in the top 3 of most matchs due to WP, but you know, I think the only reason I'm any good at it as a solo player is because of all the squad play I've done. I, like many vets, know what needs to be supported where, and when to do it. Sad thing is, Dust doesn't have to die, although you're right, I get the same type of feeling. I mean, it might not realize the vision that CCP originally had for it, but I'm honestly ok with that -- Legion can be all the things that they originally wanted for Dust, and we can have our little shooter. There's no reason Dust and Legion can't exist side by side (maybe Legion can take PC, and we can keep FW, that would be cool). All it would take are some fundamental changes (like meta-level gear capped matches) to reduce protostomping; UIs that encourage team play like the ones Thor references; improvements to existing maps (like non-protective cover? Bushes, other flora? some of the crater maps could have entire forests in them, how fun would that be?) and this game could have a decent future. I'd be willing to resume buying boosters if CCP is willing to make improvements. I'd even pay for a monthly subscription; Dust is worth $5 to $15 bucks a month to me, if it means continued development. Dust became the only game I played, it had it's faults but offered hope for a brighter future. While I railed against match making and the proto-stomping it caused I still capped at least one toon a week. I loved that if you knew what was important one guy could make a difference in any number of ways. After fan fest I rarely play, part of me still want's to but I never make it past two rounds. Ironically had they made the changes from alpha-charlie long ago Dust would probably be in a better place today, instead they ignored the little obvious things that made the game needlessly frustrating between patches. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.

Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11142	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:21:00 - [91] - Quote Your issue here is with scrub players, not solo players in general. Introducing 'Hotfix Charlie' Assault Dropships: New Eden's first line of SHAVs -HAND
Enitiy Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:21:00 - [92] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time? Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things. Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying. Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches. lovely
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 864	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:22:00 - [93] - Quote When I solo I'm usually playing EDITFITTINGS514. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 253	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:27:00 - [94] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time? Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things. Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying. Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches. Get out of your proto suits then talk ** to all the newcomers. If you are proto squadding in Pubbies you are the scum that killed the popularity of this game. We all knew battle academy was , but the community is at fault for choosing to steam roll and drive this game into a market failure that CCP bailed on. Don't whine that you have to proto stack to feel like you are any good. Stop proto stacking or stfu. Not too mention it was the major corps that started the practice of (Look who I'm up against, and leave if it's another proto team.) While in PC all the big corps blued up. Here I'll break it down for you: 1. Corps functionally only exist for PC, and that has only been the realistic goal of like 5% of the actual Corps in existence. Compound this with the district locking and isk farming and newcomers had no conceivable reason to join a Corp other than to get tax farmed by an *****. They are nothing more than pyramid schemes in this game. This is especially true since you can squad regardless of your corporate affiliation. 2. A bunch of newbies squadding up won't matter. They don't know what they are doing, you're just proto stomping them then complaining why they don't stand a chance. 3. Playing solo has nothing to do with the failure of CCP to create matchmaking and the failure of the community to not be power tripping assholes. You helped kill this game, now shut up and play until the servers come down, or move on. Seriously "Dat Fuckin' entitlement."
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1906	Posted - 2014.08.01 01:04:00 - [95] - Quote There is an ingame mail system. Have you tried inviting? Three man squads always attract a decent player or two. Utilize channels. Do something. Crying is counterproductive. Who wants some?
Yankie Doodle WRONG-TURN 1	Posted - 2014.08.01 01:27:00 - [96] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win. CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that. They did. It was called corp battles, but once again, CCP found a way to ruin the best thing about dust... The problem was player count........ Can't have 5000 players split between ambush,dom,skirm, fw,pc AND corp battles. That would be overkill.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3192	Posted - 2014.08.01 01:28:00 - [97] - Quote How are people like myself ruining the game? Yeah I solo, but I also win matches amd when I try come regularly in the top 5. It's not like I'm not contributing to the just because I'm solo. Hell I've even been a logi solo, it's impossible to be a triage logi with exhibiting teamwork, even if no-one my screen is green. You do not have to be in a squad to show teamwork. The only difference between a squaded wolfpack and a cobbled together miltia is that the wolfpack gets orbitals. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 255	Posted - 2014.08.01 02:11:00 - [98] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: There is an ingame mail system. Have you tried inviting? Three man squads always attract a decent player or two. Utilize channels. Do something. Crying is counterproductive. I think you misunderstood the OP. He was complaining that players other than himself don't squad so that his proto squad wins in pubbies. He was basically complaining that he doesn't get enough challenge in the game mode designed for amateur play. Instead of you know, just using PC which is the actual competitive side of Dust.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1910	Posted - 2014.08.01 02:44:00 - [99] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: There is an ingame mail system. Have you tried inviting? Three man squads always attract a decent player or two. Utilize channels. Do something. Crying is counterproductive. I think you misunderstood the OP. He was complaining that players other than himself don't squad so that his proto squad wins in pubbies. He was basically complaining that he doesn't get enough challenge in the game mode designed for amateur play. Instead of you know, just using PC which is the actual competitive side of Dust. there is a difference between misunderstanding and not reading. I'm not even sure I finished your post. I was implying he could take his squad and make two squads. He then could invite solo players. If there are enough solos to ruin dust than, perhaps one will accept. Everyone had or has a moment when Dust just makes sense. Some where taught some have to learn. Who wants some?
Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 561	Posted - 2014.08.01 02:52:00 - [100] - Quote We need a mode that removes squading. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 704	Posted - 2014.08.01 02:58:00 - [101] - Quote Yankie Doodle wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win. CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that. They did. It was called corp battles, but once again, CCP found a way to ruin the best thing about dust... The problem was player count........ Can't have 5000 players split between ambush,dom,skirm, fw,pc AND corp battles. That would be overkill. To be honest, if there were reasonable wait times between FW, and corp battles...I would rarely play public matches. I have so much isk to spend and I prefer team oriented modes rather than solo oriented ones. The only reason I solo now is to grind isk or because my guys arent on or available....there may be more space for new players and lone wolves to operate if the organized squads/teams had somewhere to play. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 256	Posted - 2014.08.01 03:22:00 - [102] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: My objectives in DUST, in order are: Win, and have fun If you can't have fun, win If you cant win, have fun If you cant win OR have fun..... edit your fittings. Where is an acceptable place to pull out Proto gear? I played the game for 2 years to be able to wear my best fits.....1 game a day? or 2? Only pull it out if somebody else does? So I should tank my first death in a starter suit to "Get a feel" for what the enemy team is doing? There are some really weird perspectives in the community I promise. It's cool because we are all here to play our own game I guess.... I personally feel like I do a bit better in my ADV gear because the tension of losing ISK (which I dont know why it's tense I have tons of ISK) makes me alter my playing, but I do like to whip out the easy mode here and there. The same reason I try to play as much of the match as I can NOT in my heavy suit, it does feel a bit cheap. However, everybody should be free to do what they feel, run what they want, and get whatever result they want. After all it's "just a game" right? Edit: I also only squad with people I enjoy playing with, and when they aren't available I do run solo. I'm only available to play when I have the time, and I would rather not waste it trying to fill a squad with people I can count on to watch my ass, if I cant trust players for that Id just as soon not have any green dots deluding me. So how many people would find it fun to play monopoly with me if I got a 10000 dollar handicap? It is absolutely a game, but it doesn't obfuscate the fact that this question and the obvious answer that most people give is why the community never grew. CCP never created a good outlet for the rat race, (In fact they compounded the issue with the power climbing isk drowning PC system) and they never created a matchmaking system so yes as there was no one around to tell you that you couldn't take that 10000 dollar handicap, you did. This doesn't mean players have to play with you... and more importantly to the topic of this thread, it doesn't mean that I for instance can't run by myself if I enjoy it just as well. The OP is complaining in essence at what in the Dust world we would call "first world problems." This is why people are treating him like a douche because he is acting douchey. Because, no matter how you paint it or how entitled you feel for having a character created gathering SP longer then the new guy, they aren't just going to easily overcome your handicap. If you want to know why people don't want to play this game go watch some FPS Esports. Ask yourself some of these questions. 1. Do the players have any inherent advantages from the game mechanics and if so how drastic are they? 2. Does Dust have a level playing field regardless of skill? Common sense dictates that most people do not like to play a game or a sport when they are at a clear disadvantage. No football field is asymmetric in yards. Most people do not want to play monopoly with a player that starts with more money. No one wants to play Call of Duty if the Barrette .50 cal takes several months to unlock and one shot foot shots players. Most servers banned the AWP in Counter Strike for this very reason. Most of the community seems to throw out the window this common sense with their "Y the new guys mad tho, y don't they htfu?" I'm not saying you can't use your handicaps when you feel like it, but for the love of god quit bragging or whining that you are always fighting scrubs. If you want easy mode fine, but don't pretend you are some MLG hotshot because of it. I have never seen a squad without proto gear actually matter in their tactics. Not saying it will happen but it never really weighs all that much versus player skill. Most the guys I've seen go 40+ in kills who weren't in a vehicle or sniping newberries were also barely surviving multiple scrapes with 30-60 armor left in their proto suits, usually with another proto suit nearby providing more dps. Often the highest killing players are Roughly down to 10-20% of their ehp that only exists because they have superior suits. It is what it is.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 704	Posted - 2014.08.01 04:16:00 - [103] - Quote That just means we are all buried under the conundrum that is DUST. Disparities exist, and people exploit them. This game certainly does not give you a clear understanding of what it is when you walk through the door, and what it is...is NOT casual. The playing field certainly isn't level, and new players are fighting uphill, but what the OP is saying, is that if not eliminate...there are definitely ways to close the gap, such as squadding, joining a corp, learning the ropes during the grind. Many players are not down for that, and this game doesnt have a kiddie pool where you can go splash about and figure it out(R.I.P Oceanic.). I spent TONS of isk getting shot down and crashing dropships before I learned how to fly, because there is no flight sim, or training ground, and this is just one example of how you have to fake it til you make it. At the end of the day, maybe some of these stomp squads and Q syncs are emotionally childish, unstable individuals who want to feel like god by walking through 60 mere MLT mortals without dying, being the quintessential Action Hero. If they have the gear, and are able to use it....well.... This game really is geared toward the team player, the communicative player. You are at a significant disadvantage otherwise before you even factor in the Meta Levels. But yeah it definitely is what it is lol A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2173	Posted - 2014.08.01 04:27:00 - [104] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless ** like going AFK. So, you are saying that people partaking in the team element of a TEAM based game are destroying the game. Not the fact that the team based game is being played predominantly by solo players not trying to successful defend or capture the objectives within that game mode? This is so DUST...two good vets at odds, both making rational points.....because of CCP's crap game design and matchmaking. Rattati, if you were looking for something meaningful to work on for hotfix Delta, we've got a solid candidate right here in this discussion. My contribution would be to lose the passive in-match sp dole - it a poison that's been hurting this game for too long. PSN: RationalSpark
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12464	Posted - 2014.08.01 04:34:00 - [105] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. So, you are saying that people partaking in the team element of a TEAM based game are destroying the game. Not the fact that the team based game is being played predominantly by solo players not trying to successful defend or capture the objectives within that game mode? This is so DUST...two good vets at odds, both making rational points.....because of CCP's crap game design and matchmaking. Rattati, if you were looking for something meaningful to work on for hotfix Delta, we've got a solid candidate right here in this discussion. My contribution would be to lose the passive in-match sp dole - it a poison that's been hurting this game for too long. Not really. If you come into FW solo and expect to win.....quite frankly you deserve to have your ** packed in....... if you are not willing to commit your time and effort to furthing the goals of a faction (assuming this is FW) and squad up then you do not deserve to win, nor do you deserve any LP if you do win. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 257	Posted - 2014.08.01 05:14:00 - [106] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: That just means we are all buried under the conundrum that is DUST. Disparities exist, and people exploit them. This game certainly does not give you a clear understanding of what it is when you walk through the door, and what it is...is NOT casual. The playing field certainly isn't level, and new players are fighting uphill, but what the OP is saying, is that if not eliminate...there are definitely ways to close the gap, such as squadding, joining a corp, learning the ropes during the grind. Many players are not down for that, and this game doesnt have a kiddie pool where you can go splash about and figure it out(R.I.P Oceanic.). I spent TONS of isk getting shot down and crashing dropships before I learned how to fly, because there is no flight sim, or training ground, and this is just one example of how you have to fake it til you make it. At the end of the day, maybe some of these stomp squads and Q syncs are emotionally childish, unstable individuals who want to feel like god by walking through 60 mere MLT mortals without dying, being the quintessential Action Hero. If they have the gear, and are able to use it....well.... This game really is geared toward the team player, the communicative player. You are at a significant disadvantage otherwise before you even factor in the Meta Levels. But yeah it definitely is what it is lol Casual/Hardcore and Seniority are not synonyms. Dust and it's counterpart Eve are actually anti-play games. You are rewarded for not playing, simply having a character that exists on their servers. If anything it leans more towards casual on this fact. If by not casual you mean the fact that CCP in their "my little anarchy" experiments encourage scamming and such. That still has nothing to do with how into a game people get. People who never play a game ever can lie. People who never play Minecraft can break blocks and steal **. The idea that it's hardcore because CCP doesn't enforce any real rules out of laziness is literally a juvenile concept. Being an *** is a phase that most everyone goes through in their teens, this doesn't make voice cracking Eugene a badass or hardcore. It just makes him a **. As to joining a corp. If players don't want to do PC there is literally no reason to join a corp. You can join/create channels and you can join/create any corp regardless of affiliation. Most corps are just tax farming schemes. Like I said before, I don't care that people use proto. I just can't believe the ego tripping that occurs in spite of them intentionally making themselves superior. It makes me think most people playing Dust must be on an emotional level of a 10 year old boy because 11 years old was when I stopped using cheats in games and realized taking advantage isn't really fun. Having a good game where I feel we both did what we could are the best. I never get those in this game because of the power disparity. No one should given the amount of skill boosts and gear differences hence why I say players are delusional to think otherwise. Because of this, I would argue this game is far more casual then say Counter Strike or Halo. As a bad player can beat a better player by merely having a character from Beta while they never really played the game but of course amassed more SP. It's about as casual as you can get.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2173	Posted - 2014.08.01 06:02:00 - [107] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Wait, is there something wrong with running solo? Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that ** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless like going AFK. So, you are saying that people partaking in the team element of a TEAM based game are destroying the game. Not the fact that the team based game is being played predominantly by solo players not trying to successful defend or capture the objectives within that game mode? This is so DUST...two good vets at odds, both making rational points.....because of CCP's crap game design and matchmaking. Rattati, if you were looking for something meaningful to work on for hotfix Delta, we've got a solid candidate right here in this discussion. My contribution would be to lose the passive in-match sp dole - it a poison that's been hurting this game for too long. Not really. If you come into FW solo and expect to win.....quite frankly you deserve to have your ** packed in....... if you are not willing to commit your time and effort to furthing the goals of a faction (assuming this is FW) and squad up then you do not deserve to win, nor do you deserve any LP if you do win. The topic is about a helluva lot more than FW or our respective views of it. It's about a good player experience for solos and teams in a pvp only game. The experience is crap for a lotta peeps right now, peeps who don't stay in the game. For my money, that's a game design problem and nothing else. PSN: RationalSpark
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1825	Posted - 2014.08.01 07:39:00 - [108] - Quote Thor, I was with you in PRO and ML and I am running solo for that is me. You are right the competition is not what it used to be. I get angry at my own team before I get mad at the reds, why? Because they do not even try most of the time. I like to win or have close games not where one side steamrolls another. I have red lined more teams in the past month then my whole time playing. Your right its sad and I do not see this getting any better any time soon. Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 816	Posted - 2014.08.01 08:45:00 - [109] - Quote Did you not get the memo? Teamwork is OP and for the sake of balance is to only be used in extreme cases.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 173	Posted - 2014.08.01 09:32:00 - [110] - Quote And the thing about squads is sometimes those solo players cant find one. So i think itd be a fair desicion for ccp to add a gamemode where corpless people could fight other corpless people. So corps in our alliance dont steamroll the people that have no alligance. I think itd be more than fair to at least add that to all of the starter corps. What?

Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 306	Posted - 2014.08.01 10:07:00 - [111] - Quote Why would I want to play with you? Or anyone? If I wanted to play with children I can find better places than a video game. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 173	Posted - 2014.08.01 10:22:00 - [112] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Why would I want to play with you? Or anyone? If I wanted to play with children I can find better places than a video game. COD is an easy place though. What?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 260	Posted - 2014.08.01 15:13:00 - [113] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Why would I want to play with you? Or anyone? If I wanted to play with children I can find better places than a video game. COD is an easy place though. COD has been a cash grab that has barely changed since 2007. Many people who have been playing games for more than two years have gotten sick of the 60 dollar updates from the franchise. This doesn't mean it was a bad game, it just has been beaten to death. Like Friday the 13th it gets stale after a while. To be honest, I play solo myself but it has nothing to do with me thinking either is OP or whatever. It has everything to do with the fact that most the squads use comms to talk about weed and bong rip and how awesome they are etc. etc. hence people acting like children. That and the few corps I have been in that try to be organized usually have politics that make them bad. The officers usually don't know what they are talking about, but get to tell everyone else to shut up. Had an officer in one corp on domination that told us we needed to stay away from the objective if we wanted to win. I had to explain to him that if we don't take the objective we will lose by default (We were losing in clone count too.) I was the only one that kept going for the objective while the rest listened to him and surprise surprise our MCC exploded. This was back towards the start of uprising and the guy was a beta player with full proto heavy. So it wasn't a situation of he was too new to know better. A lot of players are just flat out bad, it's just hidden by that passive SP gain. People say squads are awesome, but I have very rarely seen this. Gear is awesome, squads are often redundant. I've seen plenty of proto squads lose in say skirmish, because their teamwork wasn't fast enough to undue our lone wolf blitz across the whole field. And they couldn't split up because as is often the case with players who use the best gear and stay in tight formation, their gun game has gotten lazy. Then of course there's almost always the obligatory "Logi" in corps or squads that should really not be playing fps games with how bad they are but end up taking up a slot so that some other guy in your squad has a colon companion. I run solo because I have seen no real evidence that squadding is even necessary. The game isn't very complicated. It comes down to who has the better gear per side always anyways. If teamwork weighed so much PC wouldn't be obligatory proto if you want to win. Even if I am in a squad, the guy walking out of battle academy that goes 0/15 does far more damage to my team then I can compensate for with squad play. I just roll the dice with matchmaking and try to have fun.
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 387	Posted - 2014.08.01 16:36:00 - [114] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I was a dude with a .4 KDR when Ugg Reset found me in a pub and invited me to PRO. I didn't want to get my teeth kicked in all the time. That's why we left PRO and started ML. We were tired of being around people that didn't want to win. Why is this so hard to do for the masses? Find people better than you and play with them. Figure out a way to contribute. I don't think it's an issue of difficulty for the masses; I think it's more that few of these individuals (more apt description considering we're talking about folks who are by definition solo players) are inclined to invest the time and energy it takes to meta. This included owning/belonging to a corp, squadding, aspects of PC, forum participation, and statistics (like KDR, WP, etc.). Most individual players don't care an iota about any of that stuff. They just want to pew-pew. I personally have no problem being teamed up with rando AFKers--actually, ending a match on the losing side with 20+ kills and a few deaths, against at team with a proto/PC corp squad, is always a huge ego boost. Maybe it's just me? I would point out, too, that you could send messages to these players going AFK, offering to train them in teamwork and help them improve their own performance. Might be a better path to the Dust you say you want than posting plaintive comments on the forums.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3103	Posted - 2014.08.01 19:45:00 - [115] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. then fix PC or FW and I won't play pubs... CCP won't means pubs will suffer. I am an Idiot, and so are you!
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3103	Posted - 2014.08.01 19:51:00 - [116] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Solo players are a huge part of the community, and they're horribly disadvantaged compared to organized teams. Solo players also make up the bulk of newcomers to the game, people who haven't yet gotten sucked in and found their niche with a corp. This is the take right here that I read in response to calls for team deploy or payouts based on winning, etc OVER AND OVER again. Newcomers to the community would have found out pretty quickly they needed to get in a group if CCP would have built Dust around team play. But they didn't. They were worried about the new players to the point that we got nothing for new players. No new game modes or ANYTHING. PC is the one game mode that is the acceptable place to run proto and stomp as a team. But you have to schedule it 24 to 48 hours in advance!!!!! Drop Noobs in a Chat Channel... might as well try that... I am an Idiot, and so are you!
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11164	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:09:00 - [117] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Drop Noobs in a Chat Channel... might as well try that... While I wouldn't call them "noobs" necessarily, there is a channel named "Learning Coalition" for new players to squad up and receive help/training from instructors. -HAND
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4117	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:52:00 - [118] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I was a dude with a .4 KDR when Ugg Reset found me in a pub and invited me to PRO. I didn't want to get my teeth kicked in all the time. That's why we left PRO and started ML. We were tired of being around people that didn't want to win. Why is this so hard to do for the masses? Find people better than you and play with them. Figure out a way to contribute. I don't think it's an issue of difficulty for the masses; I think it's more that few of these individuals (more apt description considering we're talking about folks who are by definition solo players) are inclined to invest the time and energy it takes to meta. This included owning/belonging to a corp, squadding, aspects of PC, forum participation, and statistics (like KDR, WP, etc.). Most individual players don't care an iota about any of that stuff. They just want to pew-pew. I personally have no problem being teamed up with rando AFKers--actually, ending a match on the losing side with 20+ kills and a few deaths, against at team with a proto/PC corp squad, is always a huge ego boost. Maybe it's just me? I would point out, too, that you could send messages to these players going AFK, offering to train them in teamwork and help them improve their own performance. Might be a better path to the Dust you say you want than posting plaintive comments on the forums. I didn't have anybody holding my hand telling me I should try harder to play the game in a way that led to victory for my team. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Michael Arck 5079	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:05:00 - [119] - Quote Great OP. I remember pub matches of old. Absolutely memorable. Me, young in New Eden and scrubby, fighting in some matches that felt absolutely epic, win or lose. People fought, back then in pubs and they fought hard. There would be close matches that came down to the wire, involving close watch of clones or MCC ticks. Guys giving it their all. Strangers from different corporations working together. It was great. Then it all sort of dissipated. This is a bit before FF too. AFK increased. Folks would run to sniper fits whenever a lil blood trickled from their mouths. Mercenaries quitting and leaving the match. It sucks man. It really does. Like you said, Dust is unlike anything I've played before. I didn't play MAG so Dust 514 was my first...let's say...mature FPS experience. I was a fiend man. Logging in day and day out. It's just not the same no more. I know why and I understand it. But pubs are laughable. You can't post up scores of going 50 and 1 from a pub match and get respect, IMO. Maybe in the old days, where competitive players were all around. From those who mainly played PC and sometimes pubs to mercenaries aspiring to become better in pubs, using it as a training session to prepare for PC. I'm sad how things turned out. And I'm disappointed in how pub players don't even play in pubs anymore. Now even playing competitively in pubs translate into protostomping or unfairness. No marbles. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:10:00 - [120] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Great OP. I remember pub matches of old. Absolutely memorable. Me, young in New Eden and scrubby, fighting in some matches that felt absolutely epic, win or lose. People fought, back then in pubs and they fought hard. There would be close matches that came down to the wire, involving close watch of clones or MCC ticks. Guys giving it their all. Strangers from different corporations working together. It was great. Then it all sort of dissipated. This is a bit before FF too. AFK increased. Folks would run to sniper fits whenever a lil blood trickled from their mouths. Mercenaries quitting and leaving the match. It sucks man. It really does. Like you said, Dust is unlike anything I've played before. I didn't play MAG so Dust 514 was my first...let's say...mature FPS experience. I was a fiend man. Logging in day and day out. It's just not the same no more. I know why and I understand it. But pubs are laughable. You can't post up scores of going 50 and 1 from a pub match and get respect, IMO. Maybe in the old days, where competitive players were all around. From those who mainly played PC and sometimes pubs to mercenaries aspiring to become better in pubs, using it as a training session to prepare for PC. I'm sad how things turned out. And I'm disappointed in how pub players don't even play in pubs anymore. Now even playing competitively in pubs translate into protostomping or unfairness. No marbles. Glad somebody gets it, I just miss the game being fun most of the time instead of once every 20 matches. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42

Michael Arck 5081	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:14:00 - [121] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Glad somebody gets it, I just miss the game being fun most of the time instead of once every 20 matches. The podium is yours, preach. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:15:00 - [122] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Glad somebody gets it, I just miss the game being fun most of the time instead of once every 20 matches. The podium is yours, preach. I think I used up the remainder of my give a damn in this thread. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Michael Arck 5081	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:17:00 - [123] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Glad somebody gets it, I just miss the game being fun most of the time instead of once every 20 matches. The podium is yours, preach. I think I used up the remainder of my give a damn in this thread. Yea, I can see that. Being as though many in here are probably the main ones running from a good fight. They just don't get it. But anyway, thanks for the thread. The truth has to be spoken at times to wake up the dead weight, hopefully. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 208	Posted - 2014.08.04 03:19:00 - [124] - Quote I'm not going to go through all the seven page, stopped reading at 4th. Still, I tend to agree that this game used to be much funnier, at least on EU battle server. There used to be time where pubs were actually much more competitive and never one-sided the whole match. When big names and relative players were still around: Seraphim Initiative, What The French, GAC, UPS, Academy Inferno and all the other smaller corps. It wasn't about Proto or not. It was about tactics, coms, coordination, it was about fun! Damn, I miss Chromosome so much... Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 273	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:21:00 - [125] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: I'm not going to go through all the seven page, stopped reading at 4th. Still, I tend to agree that this game used to be much funnier, at least on EU battle server. There used to be time where pubs were actually much more competitive and never one-sided the whole match. When big names and relative players were still around: Seraphim Initiative, What The French, GAC, UPS, Academy Inferno and all the other smaller corps. It wasn't about Proto or not. It was about tactics, coms, coordination, it was about fun! Damn, I miss Chromosome so much... Overtime the SP disparity grows. If you can't imagine how this effects new player retention you don't into Game Theory. It's as simple as that. If you actually care about the subject: A QQ thread I detail pretty thoroughly how nobody wants to be at a disadvantage in a competitive game. In sports and most games, we literally call these handicaps and they are given to those at a disadvantage (An amateur golfer playing against a professional golfer will often have a handicap or a 6 year old will often have a handicap if playing a 12 year old in a fighting game.) It's really not rocket science as to how this game loses steam overtime where vet players have a rising handicap over newcomers. It also isn't rocket science how we have seen a surge of new players after fan fest when most of the Beta vets quit. I'll give you a hint, it's all related to the same concept.


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