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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:40:00 -
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Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time?
Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things.
Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying.
Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:43:00 -
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Wait, is there something wrong with running solo?
Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that **** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless **** like going AFK.
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4069
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:46:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Wait, is there something wrong with running solo?
Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that **** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless **** like going AFK.
So, you are saying that people partaking in the team element of a TEAM based game are destroying the game. Not the fact that the team based game is being played predominantly by solo players not trying to successful defend or capture the objectives within that game mode?
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:48:00 -
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No, I'm saying that 4-person squads are more balanced for a 16 v 16 match. I love running with more of my friends, but it's just impossible to balance in pub matches.
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Knight Soiaire
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
5595
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:49:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Wait, is there something wrong with running solo?
Because I'm pretty sure it's the guys that run full-proto in 6 person squads that **** up match making or the sad little fucks that are too pathetic to win a Faction Warfare match on their own to they queue synchronize deployment that are killing DUST faster than any individuals doing stupid or pointless **** like going AFK.
Say what you want about Pub matches and squad / Q-Syncing, but FW is supposed to be built and focused on team play, it should be exactly like PC, but instead of teams representing their corporations, they represent their chosen faction.
Personally, its the newbs that go solo in FW because they really don't know any better that ruin FW for me. Its just ridiculous that FW has not received team deploy yet.
Pubs should be created for solo players, FW should be for squads and teams.
I'm free!
/o/
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7917
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:52:00 -
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I run solo. \o/
King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:53:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:I run solo. \o/
Because you have no friends.
Lies! You don't even log in anymore.
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
31
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:55:00 -
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Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4072
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:58:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:No, I'm saying that 4-person squads are more balanced for a 16 v 16 match. I love running with more of my friends, but it's just impossible to balance in pub matches.
I bet a lot of times you see those guys running amok and you think they are solo players, but the quality of skill from player to player is just that low now a days. Beta had more hard-core FPS players, you feel the lack of skill from a group and are blaming those that don't squad up.
I'm blaming theshitberries for not finding a group of people that aren't satisfied racing LAVs in the back 40.
I was a dude with a .4 KDR when Ugg Reset found me in a pub and invited me to PRO. I didn't want to get my teeth kicked in all the time. That's why we left PRO and started ML. We were tired of being around people that didn't want to win. Why is this so hard to do for the masses? Find people better than you and play with them. Figure out a way to contribute.
The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win.
CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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mollerz
4512
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Posted - 2014.07.30 18:58:00 -
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I like to be a random on squads. I'll rarely talk unless it's a good close match and info becomes critical. I typically snake eyes it though. I listen and when they need something, I come out of nowhere and do my best to provide it before disappearing again. Maybe it is just because I am a dedicated minja, but I tend to take outlier objectives while the rest of the team is wasting clones against a proto wall.
9 times out of ten, my solo ass provided my dipshit team a better score and chance than they had without me.
But- to that end.. let's discuss why it is hard to squad up in a pub match.
1st) CCP, in one of their truly epic development fumbles, too away the war barge. It used ot eb we had a minute or more to squad up, check out your opponents roster, dry hump other toons.. it was a good thing. Why they removed it I'll never know. But I suspect it had to do with the introduction of the squad finder. I'll address that in a bit. But...
2nd) I think it was 1.3 or so, but they added a bug where there is a huge delay in pulling up your team's squads. It takes just long enough that you launch into the game before it will populate. As a strung out biotic minja, it is crucial I get the jump on all the heavies getting their instant LAVs. So waiting that delay out and getting into a squad is a liability and has to happen after I die the first time.
3rd) And we have squad finder. Since the war barge disappeared exactly when squad finder was released, I can only surmise they took the war barge in an effort to herd people to using the squad finder. I only just started using it for S&Gs, and I thought I heard that it was initially not working well at all. now, I guess you could say it is working well enough. But the problem is the caliber of people who advertise squads. You have AFK'd people, you have drunk hillbillies (it is oddly a common theme), then you have the pompous recruiting neckbeards who make me gag, and I could go on. I did find, one time, a cool squad using this tool, but then I got disconnected by CCP... soo.. **** me.
As far ask AFKing, it is kind of silly to do that at this point. ******* play the game before it is shut off. You'll have spent all your time AFKing to have a SP roided toon.. that evaporates.
Dingle Dust Berry.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4074
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:00:00 -
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B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches..
We don't sync pub matches. Never have. FW yes, pubs no.
BUT we are very active and it happens that we run into each other on the same side from time to time.
Some of my corp mates have great matches all the time. Perhaps me having 60 mil SP just puts me with the crappiest players in the history of video games??
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Onesimus Tarsus
Grundstein Automation
2381
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:01:00 -
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I run solo...
Because all my teammates ask me to.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4074
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:01:00 -
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B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches..
I've never understood the "it's a pub match"
The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring?
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
32
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:01:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win.
CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that.
They did. It was called corp battles, but once again, CCP found a way to ruin the best thing about dust... |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3723
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:02:00 -
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I solo cause I'm skilled enough to top the leader board and sh*t isk on anything I want.
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
The eyes of God compelles you!!!
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
32
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:03:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring?
Its also where scruberries spend 100% of their time. Not everyone is amazing at this game. And sometimes, god forbid, you have to play alongside them... |
Onesimus Tarsus
Grundstein Automation
2381
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:04:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring?
KDR matchmaking fixes this.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
15506
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:06:00 -
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I play solo. :<
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
32
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:08:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this.
No it wont. Not right away at least. I have a 1.25 kd as a logi, and I will s hit all over those noobs. But you keep ignoring this fact... |
mollerz
4512
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:08:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this.
Oh really? You'll have matches with heavies and tankers on one map, and logis on a separate one... because KDR matchmaking.
Dingle Dust Berry.
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Onesimus Tarsus
Grundstein Automation
2382
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:10:00 -
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B145PH3M3R wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. No it wont. Not right away at least. I have a 1.25 kd as a logi, and I will s hit all over those noobs. But you keep ignoring this fact...
Not right away, just in about a day. You act like you'd never see anyone with your level of lethality, which is exactly the point.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4075
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:11:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I play solo. :<
I do TOOOOOOO
But you are not the solo player I'm talking about. I just wanted the title to grab attention.
I'm talking about theshitberries.
The ones that make me go to team chat and plead with them to speak when I see their mic bubbles JUST to prove to me that they aren't CCP's shittty attempt at PVE.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Cass Caul
89
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:11:00 -
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@ mollerz
I like doing that on alts, such as this one, only to watch people see amazing score and them try to recruit me. Bonus points for when I get recruit offers for the corp I'm already in 
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
34
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:13:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. No it wont. Not right away at least. I have a 1.25 kd as a logi, and I will s hit all over those noobs. But you keep ignoring this fact... Not right away, just in about a day.
Do you know how many kills/deaths I have? I could kill 100 people and not die once and my K/D will barely move. It will be MUCH longer than a day. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Grundstein Automation
2382
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:18:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:Thor, its a frickin pub match. Do you really think people will care MORE now that the game is dying? Especially when you guys come in with 6-12 members and 2 or 3 tanks/ads? I dont understand the mentallity of people stomping pub matches, then crying about lack of competition... maybe tone down the proto and vehicle spam and you'll find decent matches.. I've never understood the "it's a pub match" The pub match is where you spend 99% of your time in Dust. Why should it be boring? KDR matchmaking fixes this. Oh really? You'll have matches with heavies and tankers on one map, and logis on a separate one... because KDR matchmaking.
Assuming all the logis have similar kdrs that never change, of course. Which is what the thing does, it actually NEGATES kdr. You guys are beyond obtuse and firmly into superstitious denial.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Onesimus Tarsus
Grundstein Automation
2382
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:22:00 -
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B145PH3M3R wrote:
Do you know how many kills/deaths I have? I could kill 100 people and not die once and my K/D will barely move. It will be MUCH longer than a day.
You'd meet your match, or you're just a god. If you are a god, I want some golden apples.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Justice Prevails
303
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:23:00 -
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All I can say is that I play solo, but I bust my a** every match. Anybody AFKing now or ever is just an idiot who doesn't give a sh*t.
Embracing my inner scrub since 2013.
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Boot Booter
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
797
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:24:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time?
Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things.
Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying.
Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches.
Wow you sound annoying. You really think it's solo players that make bad matches? Only bad matches I've ever experienced are a result of 6 man squads intent on stomping. I run solo all the time because running a squad is easy mode. How about you tell your squad to run only standard gear (or better yet hop out of your easy mode scouts/heavies and use starter fits) and see if match quality improves before blaming solo players.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Death Shadow117
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
130
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:28:00 -
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Solo players are killing this game? What the **** are you stupid. The full squads of proto stompers are the reason that people check the board anyways. If we didnt have all of these tryhards that have NO skill and come on and use their proto to completely ******* destroy the full team of randoms maybe people would try. I play solo alot because i dont work well with others. If im soloing and i see a full squad of any GTA corp of course im not going to try. Because i know if i kill them once theyll try as hard as ******* possible to kill me. So yeah of course the solo players that dont/cant run proto and dont talk in team chat are the ones that are killing dust. Until squads are put against squads of equal skill the big corps like ml are the ones that are killing this game.
What?
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4075
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Posted - 2014.07.30 19:31:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time?
Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things.
Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying.
Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches.
Wow you sound annoying. You really think it's solo players that make bad matches? Only bad matches I've ever experienced are a result of 6 man squads intent on stomping. I run solo all the time because running a squad is easy mode. How about you tell your squad to run only standard gear (or better yet hop out of your easy mode scouts/heavies and use starter fits) and see if match quality improves before blaming solo players.
So instead of Dust being a game that is full of multiple squads engaged in intense combat you want it to be full of solo players running cheap gear? That actually sounds fun?
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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