I don't mind when people wear proto, but at the same time, CCP developed a game where even if you skill to proto, you can't barely afford to run it unless you go into a corp. They need to fix their ******* economy so the pay outs are higher. At least let us sell salvage for cost or some ****.

When I read that Eve has an "economist" on staff it makes me roll my motherfucking eyes. Mainly because I know an economist is basically a glorified history teacher that regurgitates the same old same old established math. Anyone could do that job with a month of reading.

Yet- what economic changes has dust seen? Almost none, and definitely none that weren't plain harmful.

What a ******* joke.

i dont really run solo. I run with my corp or some people in chat channels so i can win and have more fun. On FW i also run with squads except we do this thing where 2-3 squads deploy at the same time so we r on the same team so we can stomp so hard

So, you are saying that people partaking in the team element of a TEAM based game are destroying the game. Not the fact that the team based game is being played predominantly by solo players not trying to successful defend or capture the objectives within that game mode?

Solo players are a huge part of the community, and they're horribly disadvantaged compared to organized teams. Solo players also make up the bulk of newcomers to the game, people who haven't yet gotten sucked in and found their niche with a corp.

WHERE SHOULD people use their proto? Why FW? What about the current mechanics of FW makes it okay to use proto?

This is a stupod question. Use proto to stomp the enemy when they are USING proto. If you need proto to kill mlt players you just need some skill. Your suit shouldn't support you its supposed to be your tool not your crutch. Until i see you get proto stomped 24/7 by nyan san you have no argument.

Can we agree that solo players are going to end up killing Dust much sooner than it would have died if matches were competitive more than 5% of the time?

Seriously though, when I was a noob and in PRO I found a group of players (with whom we later formed ML) that I liked to play with. We were going up against some very good players in closed beta. They would straight kick your ass. The shotgun twins, the freakin tanks back then, the Imps. It was scary out there. I would say the skill level was much higher in individual matches. People were crazy about the game and they wanted to win, pub or not. You thought about what you needed to do to beat them and tried different things.

Fast forward to now and all it takes is a simple check of who they are up against and they roll over before the match even starts. Dudes are still AFKing. Why in the F would someone AFK right now? These noobs aren't even trying.

Meh, I sound like Biatch. I'm just sad. It feels like it's actually going to die now and it sucks. This is still the best game I've ever played and I haven't found anything even remotely close. I just wish there were more people actually playing it WHILE they are in matches. Not this cowardly BS that fills most matches.

We don't sync pub matches. Never have. FW yes, pubs no.

BUT we are very active and it happens that we run into each other on the same side from time to time.

Some of my corp mates have great matches all the time. Perhaps me having 60 mil SP just puts me with the crappiest players in the history of video games??

There are people out there that go solo & do more for their team than most of the crappy pre-made squads that plague the game... It's only because people are (for some reason) scared to fight against a bunch of people with the same corp name, that the match becomes dull and boring. Even full squads do absolute **** vs 2 or 3 people who actually know what they're doing.

People need to stop blaming different groups of players for the problems, quite clearly, caused by the game...

-Give an incentive to actually win the match.

-Fix the terrible maps.

-Do something about the easy-mode barrage spam (which they are trying, but I doubt will get right.)

-Give a decent amount of isk... Yes there used to be an idea of balancing your money with your battles, but that went out of whack when half the game got a **** ton of money from an error in development and the other half didn't... So now the only balance is to let everyone spam ****, then it's even.

My objectives in DUST, in order are:

Win, and have fun
If you can't have fun, win
If you cant win, have fun
If you cant win OR have fun.....
edit your fittings.

Where is an acceptable place to pull out Proto gear? I played the game for 2 years to be able to wear my best fits.....1 game a day? or 2?
Only pull it out if somebody else does? So I should tank my first death in a starter suit to "Get a feel" for what the enemy team is doing?
There are some really weird perspectives in the community I promise. It's cool because we are all here to play our own game I guess....

I personally feel like I do a bit better in my ADV gear because the tension of losing ISK (which I dont know why it's tense I have tons of ISK) makes me alter my playing, but I do like to whip out the easy mode here and there. The same reason I try to play as much of the match as I can NOT in my heavy suit, it does feel a bit cheap. However, everybody should be free to do what they feel, run what they want, and get whatever result they want. After all it's "just a game" right?

Edit: I also only squad with people I enjoy playing with, and when they aren't available I do run solo. I'm only available to play when I have the time, and I would rather not waste it trying to fill a squad with people I can count on to watch my ass, if I cant trust players for that Id just as soon not have any green dots deluding me.

I get bored pretty quickly in squad, unless its a small or really bad squad.
Don't understand how pubstompers get any entertainment out of the game.

No threat, no challenge, no fun, no glory.
Guaranteed a challenge running solo :-)

But the game just feels too random to me right now. It's like we've got 1/50th of a Sandbox but 80% of the playerbase (totally pulled out of thin air) is playing like this is some huge MMO.

The death of the dust sandbox was the worst part of everything. I had the impression that one day eve and dust would fully merge and it would have been ******* insane awesome.


that **** ain't happening and that is a real ******* shame.

I ran solo and I was super productive. Between being a real logi and an active hatred for red vehicles I raked in the WP. The game feels like its dying because it is and it started to the moment CCP spent all of fan fest talking about another game.

I'm blaming theshitberries for not finding a group of people that aren't satisfied racing LAVs in the back 40.

I was a dude with a .4 KDR when Ugg Reset found me in a pub and invited me to PRO. I didn't want to get my teeth kicked in all the time. That's why we left PRO and started ML. We were tired of being around people that didn't want to win. Why is this so hard to do for the masses? Find people better than you and play with them. Figure out a way to contribute.

The beauty of Dust is found when playing AS A TEAM. The game is f'n AMAZING when you put the right combo out there, your tactics work and you win.

CCP did a crappy job pushing the team element. It's their fault that they didn't provide a team deploy mode to prepare/practice for PC. FW would have been PERFECT for that.

Sometimes I run solo as a logi too, and I generally place in the top 3 of most matchs due to WP, but you know, I think the only reason I'm any good at it as a solo player is because of all the squad play I've done. I, like many vets, know what needs to be supported where, and when to do it.

Sad thing is, Dust doesn't have to die, although you're right, I get the same type of feeling. I mean, it might not realize the vision that CCP originally had for it, but I'm honestly ok with that -- Legion can be all the things that they originally wanted for Dust, and we can have our little shooter. There's no reason Dust and Legion can't exist side by side (maybe Legion can take PC, and we can keep FW, that would be cool).

All it would take are some fundamental changes (like meta-level gear capped matches) to reduce protostomping; UIs that encourage team play like the ones Thor references; improvements to existing maps (like non-protective cover? Bushes, other flora? some of the crater maps could have entire forests in them, how fun would that be?) and this game could have a decent future.

I'd be willing to resume buying boosters if CCP is willing to make improvements. I'd even pay for a monthly subscription; Dust is worth $5 to $15 bucks a month to me, if it means continued development.