DUST Search - God damn Heavy's.

Echo 1991 wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Echo 1991 wrote:

I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either.

No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you.

As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player.

So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses?

Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.

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Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 27	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:05:00 - [1] - Quote How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7888	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:10:00 - [2] - Quote The plural of Heavy is Heavies. Sorry, it really bugged me. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 360	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:10:00 - [3] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Zindorak 1.U.P 190	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:13:00 - [4] - Quote I have a couple answers to your dilemma 1. Use OP Rail Rifle 2. Flux nade em and finish em with BK-42 or Six Kin ACR 3. Double or triple team him Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 196	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:13:00 - [5] - Quote Breach Shotgun to fat head Charged Nova Knifes work too Not One Lifetime
Michael Arck 5030	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:18:00 - [6] - Quote So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 713	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:36:00 - [7] - Quote ScR work great on taking out heavies. Sure you might get an overheat but the trick is to keep a steady fire. "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2305	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:52:00 - [8] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! What counters heaves? should be your question. Not, how can you make the suit that counters mine weaker?. That is fail logic.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3715	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:59:00 - [9] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! What counters heaves? should be your question. Not, how can you make the suit that counters mine weaker?. That is fail logic. Because that's how things work here. See Gallente scout and Caldari/all slayer Logis. Oh and REs... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 78	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:06:00 - [10] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! Stop running into them head on, learn their weakspots, know what weapon to use, know how to set up your suit. Long story short... GET GOOD. Quit your crying

JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 142	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:22:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Dingleburt Bangledack 237	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:49:00 - [12] - Quote Laser Rifle. I love watching heavies try to waddle to safety while I melt their faces.
Chimichanga66605 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 173	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:54:00 - [13] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. My Commando disagrees with you. Once the Heavy is down to armor (even Gk.0s) that boosted MD finishes them right quick. Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist "Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4343	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:01:00 - [14] - Quote 1 to 3 shots from a shotgun problem solved I'm going to just use the Scout suit for a while Deleting all heavy suits
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4580	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:14:00 - [15] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! The heavy is supposed to dominate up close by default. There are no exceptions to this except an incredibly well executed surprise attack. The heavy, with the addition of logistical support, will kill basically everything except attack vehicles. This is how it is supposed to be and it is the pinnacle of team work. At that point you are not complaining about the heavy suit, but you are complaining about team work. No, you are not supposed to be able to overcome a heavy in his range of operation with your assault suit easily. No, you are not supposed to be able to overcome a heavy with logistical support by yourself. These are realities and they are not going to change, because it is good tactical gameplay that makes sense. The only thing that does not make sense currently is the role of the assault. The scout has well defined role abilities, as does the heavy and the logi. The assault does not have what it takes to fulfill the role of a logi or a scout to any respectable degree, and they cannot serve the same role as the heavy either. The Amarr assault has a niche gaining benefit from two weapons, which allows them to excel on certain maps at range. The other assaults serve no real purpose other than to be fatter scouts without the ability to scout.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 370	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:26:00 - [16] - Quote I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either.
Guiltless D667 64	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:31:00 - [17] - Quote It's not the heavy,it's just everyone is weak in comparison,has anyone looked around lately and seen how many milita players are running around? A Strange Game. Crysis 514
Michael Arck 5032	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:40:00 - [18] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. it is possible Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 197	Posted - 2014.07.29 08:07:00 - [19] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. That would be nasty. But if they are in a room I would RE the exit(s) and pump in flux, plasma and MDs until they run out and then hit the REs. Not One Lifetime
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 142	Posted - 2014.07.29 08:12:00 - [20] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. it is possible Yes, but usually requires 3 clips, and the U.P. AMD? Never, thing is so weak. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 656	Posted - 2014.07.29 08:20:00 - [21] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. it is possible Yes, but usually requires 3 clips, and the U.P. AMD? Never, thing is so weak. Pats his Freedom prof 4... It's okay baby he didn't mean you, he means the boundless.... Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1803	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:03:00 - [22] - Quote I laugh for you complain about heavies. Ya heavies are a pain, so skill into them and make them regret making the choice of becoming a heavy. I love killing other heavies and I am very good at it. Just skill into multiple roles and get more flexible. I understand SP is an issue but that just gives you time to get better at the role you are playing now. Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4580	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:10:00 - [23] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 370	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:46:00 - [24] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player. So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses?
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1804	Posted - 2014.07.29 10:38:00 - [25] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player. So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses? The key is be a better player. Do not play into their hand or game. Play your own and let the chips fall where they may. Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.07.29 11:32:00 - [26] - Quote Maybe I play a different game but I never encounter all that many heavies to be honest. Sure in a map like the research facilty you can expect heavies, it's their playfield with a supply depot nearby. But other maps? I haven't noticed more heavies than say a few months back. When I started my GalScout I had a few games where there would be up to 5-6 Caldari Scouts, mostly proto, in a single match. That's way more of a problem than a few more heavies to be honest.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6787	Posted - 2014.07.29 11:35:00 - [27] - Quote Zindorak wrote: BK-42 or Six Kin ACR That's really the only answer to anyone's problem. see you space cowboy...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2308	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:36:00 - [28] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Bethhy wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! What counters heaves? should be your question. Not, how can you make the suit that counters mine weaker?. That is fail logic. Because that's how things work here. See Gallente scout and Caldari/all slayer Logis. Oh and REs... Slayer Logi's? That hasn't been a problem for what.... hm.... 5months? like comon. Gallente scout have a HARD counter. Every scout does. It was called a Gallente Logi with Active scans. Remember those active scanner thingies? Yeah really only good when a Gal logi uses them now. RE's are remote mines... If you run into a trap or are sitting in a hot zone.. You die.. If you watch position and anticipate.. You live. Confusing logic. And again completely based off short sighted forum bullshit.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 328	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:42:00 - [29] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?! I drool whenever I see 6 heavies at a point. Means they're probably over confident and i'll run in throw down some REs, die (usually), respawn, and blamo... clear point I love seeing Kill +50 Kill +50 Destroyed Equipment +5 Kill +50 Destroyed Equipment +5 Destroyed Equipment +5 Destroyed Equipment +5 Kill +50 Kill +50 off one militia suit with proto REs. I just cost their team 500-750K and it cost me 20K and a death. edit: hell, If they aren't paying attention and mowing me down, I'll blow MYSELF up to get the kills, that's how much I enjoy seeing heavies ragdoll
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Dark Taboo 1675	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:46:00 - [30] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I have a couple answers to your dilemma 1. Use OP Rail Rifle 2. Flux nade em and finish em with BK-42 or Six Kin ACR 3. Double or triple team him Killing them with an SCR feels much better, doing it repeatedly, solo also has a higher chance to spawn fanmail. :p Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"



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