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Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 27	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:05:00 - [1] - Quote How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7888	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:10:00 - [2] - Quote The plural of Heavy is Heavies. Sorry, it really bugged me. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 360	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:10:00 - [3] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
Zindorak 1.U.P 190	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:13:00 - [4] - Quote I have a couple answers to your dilemma 1. Use OP Rail Rifle 2. Flux nade em and finish em with BK-42 or Six Kin ACR 3. Double or triple team him Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 196	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:13:00 - [5] - Quote Breach Shotgun to fat head Charged Nova Knifes work too Not One Lifetime
Michael Arck 5030	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:18:00 - [6] - Quote So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 713	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:36:00 - [7] - Quote ScR work great on taking out heavies. Sure you might get an overheat but the trick is to keep a steady fire. "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2305	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:52:00 - [8] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! What counters heaves? should be your question. Not, how can you make the suit that counters mine weaker?. That is fail logic.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3715	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:59:00 - [9] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! What counters heaves? should be your question. Not, how can you make the suit that counters mine weaker?. That is fail logic. Because that's how things work here. See Gallente scout and Caldari/all slayer Logis. Oh and REs... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 78	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:06:00 - [10] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! Stop running into them head on, learn their weakspots, know what weapon to use, know how to set up your suit. Long story short... GET GOOD. Quit your crying

JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 142	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:22:00 - [11] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Dingleburt Bangledack 237	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:49:00 - [12] - Quote Laser Rifle. I love watching heavies try to waddle to safety while I melt their faces.
Chimichanga66605 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 173	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:54:00 - [13] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. My Commando disagrees with you. Once the Heavy is down to armor (even Gk.0s) that boosted MD finishes them right quick. Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist "Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4343	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:01:00 - [14] - Quote 1 to 3 shots from a shotgun problem solved I'm going to just use the Scout suit for a while Deleting all heavy suits
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4580	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:14:00 - [15] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! The heavy is supposed to dominate up close by default. There are no exceptions to this except an incredibly well executed surprise attack. The heavy, with the addition of logistical support, will kill basically everything except attack vehicles. This is how it is supposed to be and it is the pinnacle of team work. At that point you are not complaining about the heavy suit, but you are complaining about team work. No, you are not supposed to be able to overcome a heavy in his range of operation with your assault suit easily. No, you are not supposed to be able to overcome a heavy with logistical support by yourself. These are realities and they are not going to change, because it is good tactical gameplay that makes sense. The only thing that does not make sense currently is the role of the assault. The scout has well defined role abilities, as does the heavy and the logi. The assault does not have what it takes to fulfill the role of a logi or a scout to any respectable degree, and they cannot serve the same role as the heavy either. The Amarr assault has a niche gaining benefit from two weapons, which allows them to excel on certain maps at range. The other assaults serve no real purpose other than to be fatter scouts without the ability to scout.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 370	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:26:00 - [16] - Quote I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either.
Guiltless D667 64	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:31:00 - [17] - Quote It's not the heavy,it's just everyone is weak in comparison,has anyone looked around lately and seen how many milita players are running around? A Strange Game. Crysis 514
Michael Arck 5032	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:40:00 - [18] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. it is possible Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 197	Posted - 2014.07.29 08:07:00 - [19] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. That would be nasty. But if they are in a room I would RE the exit(s) and pump in flux, plasma and MDs until they run out and then hit the REs. Not One Lifetime
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 142	Posted - 2014.07.29 08:12:00 - [20] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. it is possible Yes, but usually requires 3 clips, and the U.P. AMD? Never, thing is so weak. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 656	Posted - 2014.07.29 08:20:00 - [21] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. it is possible Yes, but usually requires 3 clips, and the U.P. AMD? Never, thing is so weak. Pats his Freedom prof 4... It's okay baby he didn't mean you, he means the boundless.... Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1803	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:03:00 - [22] - Quote I laugh for you complain about heavies. Ya heavies are a pain, so skill into them and make them regret making the choice of becoming a heavy. I love killing other heavies and I am very good at it. Just skill into multiple roles and get more flexible. I understand SP is an issue but that just gives you time to get better at the role you are playing now. Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4580	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:10:00 - [23] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 370	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:46:00 - [24] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player. So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses?
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1804	Posted - 2014.07.29 10:38:00 - [25] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player. So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses? The key is be a better player. Do not play into their hand or game. Play your own and let the chips fall where they may. Closed Beta Vet and gave up on assault back to Heavy full time. Remove cloaks balance scouts.
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.07.29 11:32:00 - [26] - Quote Maybe I play a different game but I never encounter all that many heavies to be honest. Sure in a map like the research facilty you can expect heavies, it's their playfield with a supply depot nearby. But other maps? I haven't noticed more heavies than say a few months back. When I started my GalScout I had a few games where there would be up to 5-6 Caldari Scouts, mostly proto, in a single match. That's way more of a problem than a few more heavies to be honest.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6787	Posted - 2014.07.29 11:35:00 - [27] - Quote Zindorak wrote: BK-42 or Six Kin ACR That's really the only answer to anyone's problem. see you space cowboy...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2308	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:36:00 - [28] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Bethhy wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! What counters heaves? should be your question. Not, how can you make the suit that counters mine weaker?. That is fail logic. Because that's how things work here. See Gallente scout and Caldari/all slayer Logis. Oh and REs... Slayer Logi's? That hasn't been a problem for what.... hm.... 5months? like comon. Gallente scout have a HARD counter. Every scout does. It was called a Gallente Logi with Active scans. Remember those active scanner thingies? Yeah really only good when a Gal logi uses them now. RE's are remote mines... If you run into a trap or are sitting in a hot zone.. You die.. If you watch position and anticipate.. You live. Confusing logic. And again completely based off short sighted forum bullshit.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 328	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:42:00 - [29] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?! I drool whenever I see 6 heavies at a point. Means they're probably over confident and i'll run in throw down some REs, die (usually), respawn, and blamo... clear point I love seeing Kill +50 Kill +50 Destroyed Equipment +5 Kill +50 Destroyed Equipment +5 Destroyed Equipment +5 Destroyed Equipment +5 Kill +50 Kill +50 off one militia suit with proto REs. I just cost their team 500-750K and it cost me 20K and a death. edit: hell, If they aren't paying attention and mowing me down, I'll blow MYSELF up to get the kills, that's how much I enjoy seeing heavies ragdoll
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Dark Taboo 1675	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:46:00 - [30] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I have a couple answers to your dilemma 1. Use OP Rail Rifle 2. Flux nade em and finish em with BK-42 or Six Kin ACR 3. Double or triple team him Killing them with an SCR feels much better, doing it repeatedly, solo also has a higher chance to spawn fanmail. :p Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"

RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 685	Posted - 2014.07.29 14:10:00 - [31] - Quote Think it's just that easy? Grab a MLT Heavy and find out about it. Slow, can't vault **, no auto reps, gets stuck on everything, huge scan profile so everybody already knows your position, no equipment, Logis aren't always on your Team or they're timid WP sluts that won't ***** move with you to a better position, Heavy weapons aren't exactly easy (HMG overheat and 8 second reload, FG 4 seconds to charge and only 4 shots in the clip with another long ass reload time), etc. Who farted?
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11045	Posted - 2014.07.29 14:22:00 - [32] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Zindorak wrote: BK-42 or Six Kin ACR That's really the only answer to anyone's problem. Unless your a Matari Assault or Commando, the damage per clip on the ACRs is too low to be effective against heavies. The BCR however, has plenty of DPC (and DPS) to deal with most Heavies in one clip. -HAND
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3354	Posted - 2014.07.29 14:26:00 - [33] - Quote Spam is Spam. Counters change nothing. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2177	Posted - 2014.07.29 14:59:00 - [34] - Quote Golden rule of fighting heavies nuff said.. Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 249	Posted - 2014.07.29 15:06:00 - [35] - Quote Heavies are being spammed because assault suits are useless. The solution is not to nerf heavies. The struggle is real.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1691	Posted - 2014.07.29 15:27:00 - [36] - Quote Allow me to introduce you to this brand-new weapon we have here. We call this weapon the "Rail Rifle." Built through inferior caldari committees it still holds the distinction of being one of the longest-range weapons in New Eden that can be carried man-portably. When operated at ranges in excess of 40 meters it significantly outperforms even the vaunted "Boundless" Heavy machinegun, and allows for safe dispatching of the targets at range. When combined with the more mobile Caldari Assault dropsuits the weapon shines as the dispersion on most weapons traditionally used in hard counter with the Caldari are of poor utility at best at the ranges the little Megacorp stooges prefer to operate at, thusly allowing for ample protection via shield extension and energizing. Further, due to the Rail Rifle's enhanced utility versus armor , the Gallente and Amarr sentinel suits tend to rapidly succumb to long-range fire unless they allow themselves to become pinned behind cover, in which case, mission accomplished, they're not doing anything useful to aid their squadmates. Of particular not to be wary of while using this fine piece of equipment is ourr own Caldari Forge Gun. As this weapon is also considered extreme range antimateriel, it was deemed unsuitable for use as an infantry-killer. This assumption has been rapidly made a mockery of by skilled Sentinels around New Eden. As Your Rail Rifle does operate at Range, it operates best from a stable firing platform that is not moving. When confronted with Forge Guns, Mobility is absolutely key. Never hold still for longer than it takes to pull the trigger a few times, move unpredictably, and unlike when facing a Heavy Machinegun, it is always preferable to engage the Forge Gun in close as opposed to at range. You are less likely to lose a clone as most heavies must switch to secondary weapons. However, Be aware that the Sentinels who exclusively operate the Assault Forge Guns have been known to operate effectively in close. But the tactics apply. Don't hold still, don't run in straight lines, and always hit the Sentinel from an oddball angle so he wastes most of his time (and defenses) desperately trying to find you. No seriously. Is this rocket science or something? It REALLY IS THIS EASY! This is how people kill my sentinel suits. Dipsticks who charge right at me trying to throw an RE at me just make it easy to rack up cheap kills. Shotties to the back of the head (From assaults and Logis) tends to be bad for one's day.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 169	Posted - 2014.07.29 15:35:00 - [37] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! Have you tried any counter? I do know heavy spam is a problem, but with the CPU/PG fix (which you will need to invest SP into your heavy now) and for the love of God fix the assault then you will only see the true heavies... Dont just rely on that work up your counters also, because the heavies you do see will most likely be beta heavies and will **** you up if you go about them the wrong way... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3715	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:01:00 - [38] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Bethhy wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! What counters heaves? should be your question. Not, how can you make the suit that counters mine weaker?. That is fail logic. Because that's how things work here. See Gallente scout and Caldari/all slayer Logis. Oh and REs... Slayer Logi's? That hasn't been a problem for what.... hm.... 5months? like comon. Gallente scout have a HARD counter. Every scout does. It was called a Gallente Logi with Active scans. Remember those active scanner thingies? Yeah really only good when a Gal logi uses them now. RE's are remote mines... If you run into a trap or are sitting in a hot zone.. You die.. If you watch position and anticipate.. You live. Confusing logic. And again completely based off short sighted forum bullshit. the point is that no found a counter to Logis so they were nerfed. My Gallente scout was nerfed(thanks Obama) And REs were nerfed, making them harder to use on tanks(thanks heavy Obama) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Chunky Munkey 5049	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:15:00 - [39] - Quote Goddamn punctuation. Destiny won't kill Dust. CCP already did that.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1692	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:29:00 - [40] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Goddamn punctuation. Sadly this pretty much sums up most of the heavy complaints. PG/CPU gets nerfed. Rejoice. If assault gets a boost pretty much the only people you will see in fatsuits are people like me. So, don't worry, you're screwed either way.

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 154	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:47:00 - [41] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. I smile and say "thank you gods of new eden" when i see 6 heavies in 1 objective, I run Proto min scout with proto nova knives and adv r/e and either proto smg or proto sg and i dance around the heavies droping r/e and make them all go boom, and mop up the rest with my nk or smg or sg and then hack the point. heavies are not as indestructible as most people are letting on.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 913	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:06:00 - [42] - Quote I'm collecting all the QQ tears and bottling them. Branding them as 'New Eden QQ Quencher'. Coming to a vending machine near you. A complimentary bottle will be placed in your quarters. Newly installed vending machines will sell them at 5 ISK a pop. Enjoy one today! Knights of Ender Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3172	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:12:00 - [43] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! If heavies are indeed the rock, believe me their is a paper. You need to stop playing scissors. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1692	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:13:00 - [44] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! If heavies are indeed the rock, believe me their is a paper. You need to stop playing scissors. Quit using logic in these forums damn you
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3172	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:14:00 - [45] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. Yes it does, the number of heavies terminated at the hands of mine will attest to that! They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3982	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:22:00 - [46] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! With the heat change spray and pray HMG heavies will find the HMG not to be as easy to use effectively as it is now. At the same time the Assault Suit buffs will make the Assault suit look a lot more attractive. These two factors combined will cause a shift of the FOTM spammers from Sentinel to Assault. The change will take 2 to 3 weeks after Charlie drops. It takes a while for the masses to pick up on changes. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 143	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:22:00 - [47] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So why haven't you tinkered around with fits and strategies to make em pay? You have flux, REs, scouts, ranged weapons such as RR, teamwork, FGs, MDs, PLCs and using open field to your advantage. There are counters to the so called heavy spam that you speak of. MD doesn't do crap to heavies. it is possible Yes, but usually requires 3 clips, and the U.P. AMD? Never, thing is so weak. Pats his Freedom prof 4... It's okay baby he didn't mean you, he means the boundless.... I have prof 4. Yet it doesn't do crap to heavies, freedom md. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Clone D Grundstein Automation 682	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:40:00 - [48] - Quote It's going to be okay. Just let the idea permeate your mind for a moment. You're going to kill them, and everything is going to be okay. A corp for lonewolves where squadding and comms are optional, but exceptional team play is expected. channel: blitz
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1693	Posted - 2014.07.29 18:37:00 - [49] - Quote Clone D wrote: It's going to be okay. Just let the idea permeate your mind for a moment. You're going to kill them, and everything is going to be okay. No he won't. He's going to cry about us until CCP kills us for him. Same tactic every time.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 660	Posted - 2014.07.29 20:26:00 - [50] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Pats his Freedom prof 4... It's okay baby he didn't mean you, he means the boundless.... I have prof 4. Yet it doesn't do crap to heavies, freedom md. Flux and elevation or lob over distance...My girl will knock a fat boy out in a good fight. Of course I don't believe I Should be able to just fire and forget the biggest hp pool in the game of course it will take a second. I feel like a lot of ppl are gauging heavy effectiveness by those encounters where you round a corner and the heavy is facing your direction, don't expect to ever win that. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 252	Posted - 2014.07.29 20:37:00 - [51] - Quote Counter the heavy. If you cannot counter the heavy your team is probably **. Matchmaking has always been **. It's the Herobrine of Dust where every patch they claimed they fixed matchmaking and every patch it was a lie.
Michael Arck 5037	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:06:00 - [52] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: I'm a roll over and die kind of guy After the fix, I see what you're saying now. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 32	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:55:00 - [53] - Quote I'm a Caldari Assault with an Assault rifle. That answers most of the replies. Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 32	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:05:00 - [54] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Clone D wrote: It's going to be okay. Just let the idea permeate your mind for a moment. You're going to kill them, and everything is going to be okay. No he won't. He's going to cry about us until CCP kills us for him. Same tactic every time. Oh of course. You mean the same way Heavy's cry about RE's. Sometimes I like carrying things OTHER than remotes. Although maybe I shouldn't complain after all you guys are the ones that give me 6 kills each RE. Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 171	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:07:00 - [55] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Clone D wrote: It's going to be okay. Just let the idea permeate your mind for a moment. You're going to kill them, and everything is going to be okay. No he won't. He's going to cry about us until CCP kills us for him. Same tactic every time. Oh of course. You mean the same way Heavy's cry about RE's. Sometimes I like carrying things OTHER than remotes. Although maybe I shouldn't complain after all you guys are the ones that give me 6 kills each RE. If you can do that, than what is the problem? The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4585	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:54:00 - [56] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player. So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses? If you're playing domination you attack from range and kill the uplinks surrounding the killzone. When they no longer possess the ability to respawn due to all of the uplinks you killed, you siege hack area. If its an open map, you use ranged weaponry. A medium frame suit will always have an advantage against a heavy suit at range because it takes very small movement to mitigate a ton of damage, whereas the heavy suit is just too large in hitbox size to mitigate the same way. You will win the ranged strafe war against any fat suit with a rail rifle unless you are incompetent. If its a closed map, you siege with explosive weaponry. Resistent =/= immune. If you're on a research outpost and it's heavy central you are going to flush out every heavy in the pit after 20-30 seconds of mass driver spam from highground. Even if they have reps, their logis can't survive that splash punishment. Heavies are meant to sit by the point and beat the hell out of you with relatively little effort involved. That is what their suit is designed to do. They are not equipped to run around and hunt uplinks, or maintain a prolonged siege. Your problem is that you want to run in there like it's Quake 3 Arena and just start capping fools. The game doesn't work the way.
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 37	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:51:00 - [57] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! If heavies are indeed the rock, believe me their is a paper. You need to stop playing scissors. Even worse, I am the Mutant Paper-Scissor Cal Scout with DA Plasma Cannon too. There is no paper to the Caldari Assault btw (Considering the assault the scissor) Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1695	Posted - 2014.07.30 08:01:00 - [58] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Clone D wrote: It's going to be okay. Just let the idea permeate your mind for a moment. You're going to kill them, and everything is going to be okay. No he won't. He's going to cry about us until CCP kills us for him. Same tactic every time. Oh of course. You mean the same way Heavy's cry about RE's. Sometimes I like carrying things OTHER than remotes. Although maybe I shouldn't complain after all you guys are the ones that give me 6 kills each RE. Actually, I found throwing RE to be a perfectly valid tactic. But that's more to do with the fact that dropping one on a truly aggressive sentinel or Commando is not a trivial task. Against lazy FOTM chasers? I offer my blessing to the deliverers of sudden BOOM. Honestly with the Heat change and fitting reductions, you should see a sharp drop in FOTM fatties. You'll be left with the dedicated donut chasers like me.
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 137	Posted - 2014.07.30 11:37:00 - [59] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! If you're complaining about Heavies, you're obviously not approaching them correctly, and they are not a problem. Spam? Is 3-4 Heavies in a team considered spam? That's fairly normal... I wonder if someone needs to take a breather and revaluate as to why they're having such trouble with Heavies. 1. You're not too good at the game 2. You're cocky 3. A little too adventurous 4. Blind as sht 5. Head in the clouds (perhaps literally depending on the number of bullets and/or explosions) 6. Not taking your medication 7. Taking too much medication 8. Mistaking a heavy for a bud 9. Standing too close to Heavy 10. Daydreaming at the wrong time 11. AFK to get a drink and/or snack at the wrong time 12. Trying to solo more than one Heavy 13. Not too good with Remotes 14. Rather than getting better at the game, complains on the forums 15. Even after dying for the 1,000th time to a Heavy, still has not gained the wisdom of 'knowing your limits' 16. Can't even spell the plural of 'Heavy' correctly 17. If you are hearing texts, I would advise you get a specialist to check that 18. If you are too far gone with that, you no longer have to read as much, as you now have an automated voice reading your material out loud for you. 19. Voice in head speaks other language or dialect 20. Not realizing that there is indeed more than one way to deal with a Heavy 21. Wants people to stop playing rock paper scissors 22. 'I'm getting to the point', yet doesn't, very vague 23. Doesn't want to explain their reasoning, yet still thinks what they say matters 24. Why is some random dude making a list about some other dude 25. Needs to go back to bootcamp 26. Needs to re-graduate the academy 27. Hint to #24: Dude is bored 28. 'How much does it take to admit there is a problem', apparently a short, undefined, and meaningless post has enough 29. Playing an odd version of rock paper scissors 30. I wonder who's still reading this 31. Mistaking Heavy hugs as aggression 32. Doesn't comprehend the range of HMGs 33. Never used a shotgun before 34. Just your average blueberry 35. Have you installed patch 9.16.2 of 'New and Improved, Better than Ever' blueberry AI? 36. This is a long list 37. ... 38. Last clone was in the fridge to long, error with current clone #588012AJ, please send in a ticket and review of our product 39. Ever considered the possibility of using a Heavy suit yourself? 40. Running out of things to list 41. Dust 514 42. Balance (lol) 43. Poor luck? 44. Ain't got no skillz 45. Haven't been playing the game too long 46. Playing the game for too long 47. Is not excepted amongst his Heavy budies 48. Thumb farming 49. Curious as to why poster wants many disembodied thumbs 50. Pster speek nt mch englich 51. Just btching about it 52. Tired of getting dominated 52. Wondering why you're playing a game where you put rocks, paper, and scissors into your boots 53. Are your boots legs? Your legs are boots? 54. Where can I buy this clone? 55. Don't tell me it's Carl... please don't... 56. I know they're cheap, but they're... you know... 'factory seconds' 57. I can't imagine fitting myself into one of those... ugh 58. No wonder you're having a tough time, you can barely walk 59. It's like trying to move around in jelly 60. How do you put yourself through this crap? 61. Look, I know you don't like Tom too much, but at least he has legs that are... legs 62. Just... buy some of his. Just do it. They may be missing an eye... or two... but you can still walk at least 63. I heard he's having discounts 64. What do you mean it looks like an alien? 65. Ohhh... I guess you can see that. 66. Well... at least you'll look more terrifying on the battlefield 67. TL;DR, I disagree quite frankly My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 990	Posted - 2014.07.30 11:48:00 - [60] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! the spam of anything is annoying its not really the suit its the annoying players that play the game. spaming scouts, tanks, heavys, REs, uplinks, ADS, what ever its all annoying so blame annoying people because i have a heavy suit and i don't even use it that much when there is all ready a couple heavys on my team. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 612	Posted - 2014.07.30 13:57:00 - [61] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: 1 to 3 shots from a shotgun problem solved 3-6 SG shots....there's no way to 1 shot a heavy much more 2 shots...but that's extremely rare (1 out of every 50 heavies encountered.) "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4588	Posted - 2014.07.30 14:20:00 - [62] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: 1 to 3 shots from a shotgun problem solved 3-6 SG shots....there's no way to 1 shot a heavy much more 2 shots...but that's extremely rare (1 out of every 50 heavies encountered.) Nova knives, on the other hand...
Death Shadow117 Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.07.30 14:23:00 - [63] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: FG's Scouts can us forge guns? Well **** i wish id've known that. What?
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 654	Posted - 2014.07.31 03:08:00 - [64] - Quote heavies need to take increased damage from behind or something so you can kill them with skill and instead of charging straight at them with a scout. btw, ive never QQ'd about re's and im a heavy, was actually quite pissed they got nerfed
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 141	Posted - 2014.07.31 18:57:00 - [65] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: heavies need to take increased damage from behind or something so you can kill them with skill and instead of charging straight at them with a scout. btw, ive never QQ'd about re's and im a heavy, was actually quite pissed they got nerfed Or shoot them from a distance, they're kinda boned when not near cover. Do you know how effective the laser is against heavies? 90% of the time, they will die. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Jaselyn Cabellos Immortal Guides 41	Posted - 2014.08.01 11:47:00 - [66] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: heavies need to take increased damage from behind or something so you can kill them with skill and instead of charging straight at them with a scout. btw, ive never QQ'd about re's and im a heavy, was actually quite pissed they got nerfed Or shoot them from a distance, they're kinda boned when not near cover. Do you know how effective the laser is against heavies? 90% of the time, they will die. I love the laser rifle but while your burning heavy clones theres prolly a fat ass sneaking up behind you Immortal Guides lives! - For it never dies.


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