DUST Search - God damn Heavy's.

Echo 1991 wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Echo 1991 wrote:

I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either.

No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you.

As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player.

So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses?


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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4580	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:14:00 - [1] - Quote Jaselyn Cabellos wrote: How much does it take to admit there is a problem. The Heavy spam just needs to stop. Not much I'm gonna say in this post because I'm getting to the point. The Heavy's are the problem. I hear them crying about remote explosives yet there is hardly one other way you can defend yourself against Heavy's. Dust is being a bootleg rock paper scisor shutes where the heavy is the rock and instead of paper beating rock the rock dominates everything. It just needs to stop! The heavy is supposed to dominate up close by default. There are no exceptions to this except an incredibly well executed surprise attack. The heavy, with the addition of logistical support, will kill basically everything except attack vehicles. This is how it is supposed to be and it is the pinnacle of team work. At that point you are not complaining about the heavy suit, but you are complaining about team work. No, you are not supposed to be able to overcome a heavy in his range of operation with your assault suit easily. No, you are not supposed to be able to overcome a heavy with logistical support by yourself. These are realities and they are not going to change, because it is good tactical gameplay that makes sense. The only thing that does not make sense currently is the role of the assault. The scout has well defined role abilities, as does the heavy and the logi. The assault does not have what it takes to fulfill the role of a logi or a scout to any respectable degree, and they cannot serve the same role as the heavy either. The Amarr assault has a niche gaining benefit from two weapons, which allows them to excel on certain maps at range. The other assaults serve no real purpose other than to be fatter scouts without the ability to scout.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4580	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:10:00 - [2] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4585	Posted - 2014.07.30 06:54:00 - [3] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: I know heavies are supposed to be able to dominate cqc but they are too good at it. In order for most of the counters to work you have to get close to the heavy in order to hurt it. On top of that you have to get the jump on said heavy in order to have a high success rate. And there are far to many heavies at the moment, is no one else getting tired of running into heavies at every single objective? 6 heavies at a point isn't fun either. No, they are not too good at it. Perhaps you should look up the word dominate. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. You're complaining that you can't win a 1 vs 6 fight. The problem is you. As for getting the jump on a heavy its incredibly easy if he is solo. Heavies have the worst scan precision in the game. They are effectively blind. If you can't sneak up on one by yourself you are a terrible player. If you're trying to sneak up on an entire squad and complaining about the results, you are also a terrible player. So in a domination match in the meat grinder, where is this magical area where I'll find one heavy on his own? What can I do? Throw remotes around all day? Skill into a weapon I dont like in order to have a slightly better chance at hurting them? It doesn't change the fact that apart from remotes or an OB that that point isnt getting taken while 8 heavies sit there all day with an 800 DPS mini gun . heavies are clearly OP, they take 75% damage from explosive weapons, have 3x the HP of a medium frame and takes less damage from certain weaponry depending on race. Yet because you can sneak up on him it makes all that ok. Put one dampener on a heavy and only scouts can pick them up so he now has the ability to jump you +1000hp. How is the sheer amount of survivability gained equal to what the suit loses? If you're playing domination you attack from range and kill the uplinks surrounding the killzone. When they no longer possess the ability to respawn due to all of the uplinks you killed, you siege hack area. If its an open map, you use ranged weaponry. A medium frame suit will always have an advantage against a heavy suit at range because it takes very small movement to mitigate a ton of damage, whereas the heavy suit is just too large in hitbox size to mitigate the same way. You will win the ranged strafe war against any fat suit with a rail rifle unless you are incompetent. If its a closed map, you siege with explosive weaponry. Resistent =/= immune. If you're on a research outpost and it's heavy central you are going to flush out every heavy in the pit after 20-30 seconds of mass driver spam from highground. Even if they have reps, their logis can't survive that splash punishment. Heavies are meant to sit by the point and beat the hell out of you with relatively little effort involved. That is what their suit is designed to do. They are not equipped to run around and hunt uplinks, or maintain a prolonged siege. Your problem is that you want to run in there like it's Quake 3 Arena and just start capping fools. The game doesn't work the way.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4588	Posted - 2014.07.30 14:20:00 - [4] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: 1 to 3 shots from a shotgun problem solved 3-6 SG shots....there's no way to 1 shot a heavy much more 2 shots...but that's extremely rare (1 out of every 50 heavies encountered.) Nova knives, on the other hand...