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buzzzzzzz killllllllll Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 606	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:27:00 - [1] - Quote honestly, the change is much needed, as i can fit full proto on my adv heavy with lvl 3 core skills. however, i do think with maxed core skills and fitting for everything, you should be able to fit a proto sentinel with all proto, or all but 1 piece of gear. 1 thing i have not heard addresses is the ludicrous range on hmgs. just remove damage past 35 meters, or make it next to nothing. btw, im not a "wallhacker" or "clack shotgun scout", ive been heavy since i started playing
boba's fetta Shining Flame Amarr Empire 765	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:30:00 - [2] - Quote as a heavy im really ******* happy about the changes. no longer will proto suits be pointless. also ive been saying this for age's the hmg needs a range nerf. id say 31m at most.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5483	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:31:00 - [3] - Quote 2 smart people, good for you guys Stealth Storm
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:32:00 - [4] - Quote I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4514	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:33:00 - [5] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. You didn't read our discussion with Rattati? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
boba's fetta Shining Flame Amarr Empire 765	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:35:00 - [6] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. i dont think you mean the real scouts at all. like i dont think this thread was meant for the real heavyies. the real one's relise thats what's best for them isnt allways best for the game. its the FOTM chasers that are crying and moaning. im exctatic. no more scrubs showing my chossen class up.
mollerz 4345	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:36:00 - [7] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. You didn't read our discussion with Rattati? Of course not. He needs to hang onto his mock poutrage. Do you want awesome change? Do you want dust to rock like never before? Then vote Appia for CPM1
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 609	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:36:00 - [8] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. scouts arent easymode, they require decent intelligence to be good (exception of slayer cal scouts/supertanked gal scouts, which do need a nerf), but scouts just reward intelligence much more. btw, do u think a speed tanked min scout with melee mods/damage mods is op? or a marathon amarr scout? or even a fully dampened gal scout with less than 250 ehp? if u think those are op, then u really are stupid
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5483	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:43:00 - [9] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. scouts arent easymode, they require decent intelligence to be good (exception of slayer cal scouts/supertanked gal scouts, which do need a nerf), but scouts just reward intelligence much more. btw, do u think a speed tanked min scout with melee mods/damage mods is op? or a marathon amarr scout? or even a fully dampened gal scout with less than 250 ehp? if u think those are op, then u really are stupid Or my new super Ewar tech caldari scout XD 3Cx Precicion enhancers, Profile Damp and Range amp. Literally no EHP mods XD Stealth Storm
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:43:00 - [10] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: If you have core skills maxed with engineering and electronics as well , you should be able to equip a proto suit with mostly proto gear and the rest adv gear. The decision should be which modules/weapon will be proto or adv on the proto suit. The reductions, on sentinnels, being made doesnt allow that on all builds. Why hand out random numbers if your going to have to change them again only to another set of random numbers. This isnt a Heavy vs Scout issue . It appears to be more a lets make the Assaults stand out more so people come back to Assaults. I Agree the Assaults need the buffs but not by nerfing other classes. EDIT: Change for the sake of change isnt always good. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

MythTanker Haus of Triage 133	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:47:00 - [11] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. i dont think you mean the real scouts at all. like i dont think this thread was meant for the real heavyies. the real one's relise thats what's best for them isnt allways best for the game. its the FOTM chasers that are crying and moaning. im exctatic. no more scrubs showing my chossen class up. Excatly, my only problem is that when heavies QQ were are demonized for it but when scouts do it its all fine. Dont get confused i dont have a problem with the fix. Hypocrisy is the problem The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1150	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:47:00 - [12] - Quote The only problem I have with the changes is the slot layout they're going with. I specifically skilled into Amarr sentential (before the hmg was fixed in 1.6) for the slot layout but after the hotfix the Gallente sentinel will have that layout which again goes to show the phrase "Your choices matter" is just bullsh!t. Can't say I'm all that surprised. I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
boba's fetta Shining Flame Amarr Empire 766	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:50:00 - [13] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: The only problem I have with the changes is the slot layout they're going with. I specifically skilled into Amarr sentential (before the hmg was fixed in 1.6) for the slot layout but after the hotfix the Gallente sentinel will have that layout which again goes to show the phrase "Your choices matter" is just bullsh!t. the slot layout was borked. gall should never had the most lows.
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1150	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:58:00 - [14] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: Thumb Green wrote: The only problem I have with the changes is the slot layout they're going with. I specifically skilled into Amarr sentential (before the hmg was fixed in 1.6) for the slot layout but after the hotfix the Gallente sentinel will have that layout which again goes to show the phrase "Your choices matter" is just bullsh!t. the slot layout was borked. gall should never had the most lows. That's beside the point. Can't say I'm all that surprised. I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
boba's fetta Shining Flame Amarr Empire 766	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:02:00 - [15] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: boba's fetta wrote: Thumb Green wrote: The only problem I have with the changes is the slot layout they're going with. I specifically skilled into Amarr sentential (before the hmg was fixed in 1.6) for the slot layout but after the hotfix the Gallente sentinel will have that layout which again goes to show the phrase "Your choices matter" is just bullsh!t. the slot layout was borked. gall should never had the most lows. That's beside the point. well sorry but it's not like it hasnt happened before. i did try telling some people that it would get changed no one listened.
Arcturis Vanguard Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 215	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:04:00 - [16] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. scouts arent easymode, they require decent intelligence to be good (exception of slayer cal scouts/supertanked gal scouts, which do need a nerf), but scouts just reward intelligence much more. btw, do u think a speed tanked min scout with melee mods/damage mods is op? or a marathon amarr scout? or even a fully dampened gal scout with less than 250 ehp? if u think those are op, then u really are stupid Or my new super Ewar tech caldari scout XD 3Cx Precicion enhancers, Profile Damp and Range amp. Literally no EHP mods XD Please, my pc cal scout fit is two damps, three precision, one extender. I see calscouts run by me all the time and never see me. It's great, try it once. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Michael Arck 4961	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:07:00 - [17] - Quote Eh, I want to see this in action. On paper is one thing, on the battlefield its entirely something else. A prototype sentinel should be able to be all prototype. Again, more unnecessary penalizing. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1152	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:16:00 - [18] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: well sorry but it's not like it hasnt happened before.. Hence the "which again goes to show the phrase "Your choices matter" is just bullsh!t." Can't say I'm all that surprised. I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4523	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:17:00 - [19] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: ^ Yep, and yet my Gal sentinel has so much PG/CPU I physically cannot stick enough proto gear on it to max them out. That was one of the most disappointing things, logging in expecting to see changes to see that my all proto/complex fit has like 70 CPU and 18 PG left over (if I recall correctly). As a fitting it requires no sacrifices. I know I keep bashing on this but it's literally the only suit that has this problem. Sentinels used to be tricky to fit, I was barely able to scrape all proto together after maxing out cores. And if I wanted to use a variant (Burst HMG/Assault Forge) I had to down grade my side arm to compensate. Are you saying there's something wrong with me putting a Boundless HMG, 2 complex plates, 1 complex heavy damage mod, and an M209 SMG on my 'Templar' Sentinel A-I? Blasphemy On the other hand, I actually do run out of fitting space on my cal-Sent and can't run full proto. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2003	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:19:00 - [20] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Eh, I want to see this in action. On paper is one thing, on the battlefield its entirely something else. A prototype sentinel should be able to be all prototype. Again, more unnecessary penalizing. If a proto heavy can, why shouldn't a proto assault be able to? Or a proto Logi? Right now they can only if one of those proto modules is a proto CPU upgrade. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5483	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:35:00 - [21] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. scouts arent easymode, they require decent intelligence to be good (exception of slayer cal scouts/supertanked gal scouts, which do need a nerf), but scouts just reward intelligence much more. btw, do u think a speed tanked min scout with melee mods/damage mods is op? or a marathon amarr scout? or even a fully dampened gal scout with less than 250 ehp? if u think those are op, then u really are stupid Or my new super Ewar tech caldari scout XD 3Cx Precicion enhancers, Profile Damp and Range amp. Literally no EHP mods XD Please, my pc cal scout fit is two damps, three precision, one extender. I see calscouts run by me all the time and never see me. It's great, try it once. I dont have proto cal. U.u only cal scout level 4.Thats why it hurts so bad they are nerfing them... : \| Stealth Storm

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4747	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:39:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Eh, I want to see this in action. On paper is one thing, on the battlefield its entirely something else. A prototype sentinel should be able to be all prototype. Again, more unnecessary penalizing. A prototype dropsuit of any kind is not entitled to a full proto fitting, but it should be close at maximum core skills and fitting optimizations. Even then, players should not be able to stack the highest need modules, i.e. 5 Energizers and rest proto, sacrifices need to be made with intelligence and player preferences. Again, not unnecessary penalizing as sentinels had incredible amounts of PG/CPU and did not need optimizations nor core skills to fit anything they wanted. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

MythTanker Haus of Triage 137	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:43:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Eh, I want to see this in action. On paper is one thing, on the battlefield its entirely something else. A prototype sentinel should be able to be all prototype. Again, more unnecessary penalizing. A prototype dropsuit of any kind is not entitled to a full proto fitting, but it should be close at maximum core skills and fitting optimizations. Even then, players should not be able to stack the highest need modules, i.e. 5 Energizers and rest proto, sacrifices need to be made with intelligence and player preferences. Again, not unnecessary penalizing as sentinels had incredible amounts of PG/CPU and did not need optimizations nor core skills to fit anything they wanted. Everyone can agree with that as long as that is all that will happen to the heavy. This isnt the end to the scouts QQ about heavies. Please dont take these forum paladins serious. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:57:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Eh, I want to see this in action. On paper is one thing, on the battlefield its entirely something else. A prototype sentinel should be able to be all prototype. Again, more unnecessary penalizing. A prototype dropsuit of any kind is not entitled to a full proto fitting, but it should be close at maximum core skills and fitting optimizations. Even then, players should not be able to stack the highest need modules, i.e. 5 Energizers and rest proto, sacrifices need to be made with intelligence and player preferences. Again, not unnecessary penalizing as sentinels had incredible amounts of PG/CPU and did not need optimizations nor core skills to fit anything they wanted. The problem with weapon optimization is that its a steep x6 skill translatting to 1.9 mill SP for a skill that only benefits 1 weapon. Could you look iinto lowering the multiplier for more accessability. It seems that 1.9 mill SP for ~4PG and restricted to one weapon is SP overpriced.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2235	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:58:00 - [25] - Quote FOTM heavies are the ones bitching, us relics (True Heavies to use some wonderful "Elitist" speak ^^ )are noticing that these "new" values are about the same/smidgen higher then the old Sentinel values, and those were perfectly fine. And hell, I'll finaly be able to use my optimization skills again. If people are REALLY complaining that their fully prototype heavy is going to have to downgrade the grenades and sidearm to basic/adv while leaving everything else at proto, then they are just terrible players to begin with. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael Arck 4965	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:04:00 - [26] - Quote I'm drinking away my pain tonight. Just found out I'm a terrible player. What sucks is I'm going to get drunk and try to explain to a bartender who has no idea what CPU/PG, prototype and what a Rattati is. FML. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 116	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:10:00 - [27] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Eh, I want to see this in action. On paper is one thing, on the battlefield its entirely something else. A prototype sentinel should be able to be all prototype. Again, more unnecessary penalizing. A prototype dropsuit of any kind is not entitled to a full proto fitting, but it should be close at maximum core skills and fitting optimizations. Even then, players should not be able to stack the highest need modules, i.e. 5 Energizers and rest proto, sacrifices need to be made with intelligence and player preferences. Again, not unnecessary penalizing as sentinels had incredible amounts of PG/CPU and did not need optimizations nor core skills to fit anything they wanted. The problem with weapon optimization, is that it's a steep x6 skill translating to 1.9 mill SP, for a skill that only benefits 1 weapon. Could you perhaps look into lowering the multiplier for more accessability? It seems that 1.9 mill SP for ~4PG and restricted to one weapon is overpriced. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 616	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:15:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Eh, I want to see this in action. On paper is one thing, on the battlefield its entirely something else. A prototype sentinel should be able to be all prototype. Again, more unnecessary penalizing. A prototype dropsuit of any kind is not entitled to a full proto fitting, but it should be close at maximum core skills and fitting optimizations. Even then, players should not be able to stack the highest need modules, i.e. 5 Energizers and rest proto, sacrifices need to be made with intelligence and player preferences. Again, not unnecessary penalizing as sentinels had incredible amounts of PG/CPU and did not need optimizations nor core skills to fit anything they wanted. rattati, are you guys planning to change hmg range, as it seems a bit high atm, able to beat rifles near their optimal ranges vs lesser ehp suits
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 612	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:30:00 - [29] - Quote I'm not going to try to spit out numbers about HMG Ranges without first doing some actual redline research, but I don't think they're too far off from where they should be. I skilled Gallente Sentinels immediately after 1.8 and have since acquired all other Heavy Frames to at least 5 on the Basics. I was just about to skill into the Amarr Sentinel (again, already have the Basic) for that 2/3 slot layout just to be able to stack 2 Damage with 3 Armor Mods because Damage beats Hit Points when facing other Heavies - especially if you have a Logi to run with. Not to mention the lower movement penalty incurred when stacking that much Armor HP. So, Thanks! 2.5 Million SP not wasted (again.). PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
boba's fetta Shining Flame Amarr Empire 772	Posted - 2014.07.25 04:52:00 - [30] - Quote MythTanker wrote: boba's fetta wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: I will cease my crusade when the scouts admit that they are two faced hypocrites who want easymode via nerfing anything that becomes a threat to them.. i dont think you mean the real scouts at all. like i dont think this thread was meant for the real heavyies. the real one's relise thats what's best for them isnt allways best for the game. its the FOTM chasers that are crying and moaning. im exctatic. no more scrubs showing my chossen class up. Excatly, my only problem is that when heavies QQ we are demonized for it but when scouts do it its all fine. Dont get confused i dont have a problem with the fix. Hypocrisy is the problem i see your point. i just try not to get involed in the QQ though as im human i do mess up.



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