From what I gathered, it's not going to have the link in the beginning but it will eventually get it as CCP announced in Fanfest 2014 the concept of Eve United in which a single Eve player would one day gain access to all three games (eve, dust, and valkyrie).

I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe...

This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta...

I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues.

Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district.

I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things

Legion can not compete with the 500million dollars giant that is Destiny, so, yeah, EVE link MUST happen as quickly as possible.

What about that pc 2.0 where eve players pilot the warbarges?

That would be the single most boring job in the entire universe.

I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe...

This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta...

I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues.

Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district.

I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things

While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link?

Are they not the same bloody company?! All these expansions in Eve are nice and all, but honestly how much longer will the game be? I see people who have left because it "got dull." Now, I do not take their word, and I do not play Eve, but think of the life you push into the game if you could say, "Transport the Mercs of tomorrow. Play Eve: Online. Engage in Warfare on a Galactic Scale, carry the ability to destroy moons, and do FAR worse to your enemies...The universe is yours..."

Anyway yes, Legion can be a solid shooter...but that's all it'll be. A shooter, in a sea of shooters. It may be pretty, it may pop and sparkle, but every game needs a WOW factor. For Battlefield: Destructability. Call of Duty: Multiplayer in the fast-paced action/campaigns

Mag: MASSIVE battles

Legion: You can board a Titan, fight a minnie war on it, and try take the bridge while the ship crashes into the atmosphere of a world in real-time. You must upload a Capsuleer into the ship so they can regain control, or...well you all die...

Umm...I'm going to pick the damn starship, especially if you can get the fast-paced combat of Dust and massive player counts. The Destructbility could be the Eve component with ships exploding and holes in the walls and so on.

YOU NEED TO GO BIG, and you need to show that their is BIG BUCKS. I mean CCP is one company. They sure as hell want to make money...so I say go for the gold. Trying to add the Eve Link as an afterthought is what they did with Dust, and yes, it was the PS3 and Sony, but starting from scratch with the community looking over their shoulders and applauding or pointing out issues, that is what they need.

The titan boarding thing is the reason why the link is going have opponents; players to do. Hundreds of players whose content would be robbed if you put it into the fate of 32 people.

Ask any veteran or reviewer of dust of what is its most endearing feature.

Link is nowhere near on the top of that list.

People are.

While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link?

While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link?

I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe...

This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta...

I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues.

Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district.

I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things

Fact of the matter the link (the back end server magic that lets Dusters and Eve pilots all exist on TQ) is already there its just a matter of CCP utilizing it. As for why? It's in the core of the soul of the game and what drove people to have interest in the first place.

At the end of the day though it'll be up to the CPM 1 and player community to convince CCP their desire for a link.

The core mechanics in Legion should be developed with the EVE-Legion as its focus. They should be developing every single aspect of Legion with "how does this reinforce the EVE link?".

While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link?

They're the same company and last time I checked it's their job and they'll do what they're told. This confirms what I've suspected for a longtime , that the link is small in DUST and likely will be in Legion.

People like the politics and wars of EVE online, they draw in a lot of attention, and everyone I know who is familiar with EVE has respect for it in that regard. What stops those people from playing are the complexities and time investments of the game itself. They'd like to be in a huge battle and change the course of New Eden history but they don't want to spend months skilling into the ships they need and then waiting a few more months for something to happen.

This is where Legion should come in. With a full link it give anyone an opportunity to be a part of these newsworthy events. With it's free to play model and relatively familiar mechanics anyone can be a part of it. I've posted countless times on the forums ideas for links between the two games which are relatively simple in terms of information transfer but add new dimensions to both games.

This isn't just about Legion needing EVE to be viable, it's about EVE needing Legion to be sustainable. Slowly EVE will become less and less relevant and fewer people will start and the same people who've been playing for a decade will control everything, but add another dimension with Legion and one game will never fully be able to control the other but they can surely affect each other.

I've proposed many times different ways to link both games and they are quite obvious. All planetary actions from PI to land acquisition are under the control of Legion players. Like in EVE depending on the region the players themselves will have more or less control. All Space actions are in the realm of EVE, from troop transport, warbarge piloting, customs offices, and orbital strikes. If actions can be done through contracts and a linked currency you've added a large dimension to EVE, and a very large dimension to Legion. If this kind of link could be established IDK how CCP could avoid positive attention and praise. No other game could compete, they may be able to outdo certain aspects but they would never build a living universe on that scale.

This comment by IWS is why it likely won't happen, because CCP has the vision, but doesn't have the will to take something all the way. Maybe they don't want a repeat of Incarna, but this isn't about saving just one game, it's about saving both.

While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link?

In terms of Legion development, convincing CCP of this is a top priority of mine. The louder you guys are about it, the more likely they will take it seriously.

Then the best way to go about doing that is by going to your CPM1 representatives and have them relay your opinions.

Depends. Bringing me individual cases will definitely help, but a forum thread with a big chunk of the community supporting it that I can point to will help even more. Please keep this thread going, I want to point to it. ;)

Depends. Bringing me individual cases will definitely help, but a forum thread with a big chunk of the community supporting it that I can point to will help even more. Please keep this thread going, I want to point to it. ;)