DUST Search - Legion Development is being done WRONG

501st Headstrong wrote:

I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe...

This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta...

I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues.

Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district.

I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things

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501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 342	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:23:00 - [1] - Quote I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe... This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta... I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues. Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district. I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN Freedom aw8s
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3169	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:43:00 - [2] - Quote I agree. The core mechanics in Legion should be developed with the EVE-Legion as its focus. They should be developing every single aspect of Legion with "how does this reinforce the EVE link?". In contrast, developing Legion so that it "stands on its own" and then they can try to shoehorn in EVE link aspects later is just going to result in a poorer product. The aspect of Legion that makes it unique from the sea of other FPS games out there will be its link to EVE. If it doesn't have that, what is the point? There will always be other (and possibly better) shooters out there. It was very disheartening to hear that this might actually be CCP's stance on developing Legion. B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8881	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:36:00 - [3] - Quote From what I gathered, it's not going to have the link in the beginning but it will eventually get it as CCP announced in Fanfest 2014 the concept of Eve United in which a single Eve player would one day gain access to all three games (eve, dust, and valkyrie). On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3169	Posted - 2014.07.21 02:16:00 - [4] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: From what I gathered, it's not going to have the link in the beginning but it will eventually get it as CCP announced in Fanfest 2014 the concept of Eve United in which a single Eve player would one day gain access to all three games (eve, dust, and valkyrie). I wouldn't called a dedicated login server a true gaming link though. I mean.. Blizzard has a battle.net unified launcher as well but none of their games have any substantial link (only reused characters and models and some non-combat pets in WoW). B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 209	Posted - 2014.07.21 02:47:00 - [5] - Quote Legion needs the Eve link from day 1 to establish itself, otherwise it will be compared to other shooters based entirely on it's gunplay and quality. I'll be **** with a gigantic rhinoceros while ***** a *** metal **** if Legion has better gunplay. The struggle is real.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 342	Posted - 2014.07.21 09:01:00 - [6] - Quote I agree as well. Legion needs to have a better, more substantial and most importantly; more accessible EVE link. To design without it, just to "add it later" will be difficult (or worse: impossible) to do. The New Eden IP interests me a lot, but "stand alone" is not any different from, let say Destiny. It is the immersion I got from coordinating OB strikes in Dust that I am after, both from a EVE and Dust perspective. I also think (if done right), a good EVE-Legion link will increase the interest in EVE as well, both from new potential customers and old time vets.
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 342	Posted - 2014.07.21 09:17:00 - [7] - Quote As far as I see it: PVE + Salvage (read: mining) - No EVE link necessary. Agent Missions - Great EVE link possible with Joint Missions (see example mission in this thread) FW 2.0? - EVE link possible PC 2.0 - EVE link necessary!
Ghural WarRavens Final Resolution. 264	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:00:00 - [8] - Quote I saw that interview. legion needs to have an EVE - Legion link .. they have had 2 years to get it right with Dust. There is literally no excuse for them to delay it till later
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 347	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:07:00 - [9] - Quote Exactly. I mean visuals will only get you so far. With the hardware of computers, what game would you more likely play? A game where you have a spaceship, or a game where you can see ARMADAS of them engaging in real-time over your head with Orbital Strikes raining down? Shall we start some brainstorming ideas of what can be done? From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN Freedom aw8s
Ghural WarRavens Final Resolution. 264	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:18:00 - [10] - Quote We could. But many many many ideas have already been mentioned (by both players and CCP) and I feel we would just be re-treading old ground. What we need is to convince CCP that there is value in Legion having an EVE/Dust link at launch.

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 352	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:26:00 - [11] - Quote Then keep this thread alive. From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN Freedom aw8s
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 329	Posted - 2014.07.21 13:38:00 - [12] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe... This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta... I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues. Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district. I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things Technology is growing too fast so the idea from 2009, and fail attempt to introduction it a few years later would be something revolutionary in market of tomorrow. Competition is not sleeping which can be seen in every similar game. Accepting that Legion will not be top 1 game of year will help you draw realistic sketch of how Legion will look like, and it definitely will be much better then DUST. People that play DUST and tell that they will not move to Legion without seeing even beta of Legion, have exactly same reason that a couple of years ago EVE players had when they realize that DUST will not be launch on PC - "I do not have hardware to play it". About that EVE-link, I think that Legion will have at lest 5x what DUST have for several reasons: 1. Hardware: - PS3 is old(8yrs), writing new game on extremely old hardware require simplifications in programming and in content that game have to offer; pretty much on every step you have to care about improving game to much, because it may destabilized game play. - New PC is easier platform for improvement, it can deal with all graphic effects, shadows, renders, futuristic light and stuff that we can dream of for DUST. 2. Same platforms less problems: - every DUST attachment need to be approve by SONY - this extends the time between developing and giving "it" to consumers. - I bet that that we will be able to fire-back to orbit without problems in Legion and do all other stuff without problems that we have on PS3.. ..to lazy to end this post properly. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 211	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:28:00 - [13] - Quote Unfortunately I am about 99% sure that CCP will see this thread and continue ramming their head against the wall in ignorance anyway. Similar to how it would be utterly impossible to convince EA to sell Battlefield Hardline for anything less than $60, because it's EA, and you know they will. The struggle is real.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11166	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:48:00 - [14] - Quote Legion can not compete with the 500million dollars giant that is Destiny, so, yeah, EVE link MUST happen as quickly as possible. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 346	Posted - 2014.07.21 16:00:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Legion can not compete with the 500million dollars giant that is Destiny, so, yeah, EVE link MUST happen as quickly as possible. Exactly. If CCP want to compete with the multimillion dollar business they need to play on their strengths, which is the possible interconnection between their games. No other single game have the potential of EVE + Dust/Legion + Valkyrie combined.
Firbolg Barun Dust2Dust. 52	Posted - 2014.07.21 16:12:00 - [16] - Quote Sorry, but I have to remind you that Can't Code Properly is in charge of creating this game. It will never be right...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8884	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:27:00 - [17] - Quote Honestly I don't see a complete link happening in Legion with Eve in the sense that everything is connected on the first day. But I do see a few things that can be linked with Eve on day one. 1. Planetary Interaction (PI) in Eve was meant to be a link to Dust years ago when the Tyrannis Expansion came out. However, that fell on the wayside due to poor management. PI has already been well established in Eve especially since 90% of all materials needed for the production of control towers and their components come only from the planets which require PI colonies managed by Eve players. Not only that, these PI colonies are literally everywhere. There is hardly a single planet that doesn't have a PI colony established. The PI colonies can serve as a means for Legionaries to have a home and make a living while Capsuleers benefit from this through maybe increased harvest yield and stuff like that. And now that Eve: Crius is coming with a complete overhaul of their entire industry, it may be possible to accomplish the Legion-Eve link on day one using the PI colonies. The framework is already there both in Dust and in Eve. 2. Factional Warfare was a great first step. But we need better incentives for Capsuleers to call for more Legionaries in FW space than what we see in Dust. Again, both games have the framework already in place. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Grimmiers 640	Posted - 2014.07.22 08:21:00 - [18] - Quote What about that pc 2.0 where eve players pilot the warbarges?
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 286	Posted - 2014.07.22 09:48:00 - [19] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: What about that pc 2.0 where eve players pilot the warbarges? That would be the single most boring job in the entire universe. He is indestructable!
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.07.22 11:28:00 - [20] - Quote Hawk-eye Occultus wrote: Grimmiers wrote: What about that pc 2.0 where eve players pilot the warbarges? That would be the single most boring job in the entire universe. Not if Warbarges could boost the stats of the orbital fleet. That would make taking out the war barge the center battle :) Imagine, if the Warbarge is critically damaged in the fighting, along with Null Cannons on the ground, then your ship goes down faster! And for the Eve Game Link: A Carrier can house Valkyrie pilots, and they damage parts of Eve ships which aid in their destruction sooner. Or...an Eve Valkyrie carrier ship could have Dust mercs aboard, and they board other Star ships...just like the Eve; Inferno I believe commercial where it shows Scout CK.0 and Plasma Cannons and so on... CCP please use this Eve Link. I begging you From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN Freedom aw8s

Laurent Cazaderon What The French Red Whines. 2345	Posted - 2014.07.22 13:50:00 - [21] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe... This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta... I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues. Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district. I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things For once, i'm not gonna trash what ppl might expect me to trash.... But Destiny and Dust\ProjectShitFace arent the same thing... Destiny is closer to a guild war thing. Player interactions and impact are very limited on the world you roam around in. PVP is merely a lobby shooter. The vision with Dust\ProjectShitFace is\was to offer a FPS that allows for a massive meta game. With tons of groups of people owning territory and building stuff fitting in a world made by players. But yeah, Destiny is pretty fuc** well made. it shines and glows in every way and has a delightful dynamic gunplay pretty much any FPS would be jealous of. (even though i regret Ultimate Attacks being available in PVP). Bottom line, the purpose of those game are as far apart as Destiny\DUST polish differential. And comparing them is wrong in every way. Here they are, and they brought a Trooooooooooooooooooll !
lateris ablon Commando Perkone Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.07.22 19:17:00 - [22] - Quote I have to agree the comparison is totally off base as it is two very different designs. My main concern is that this team will have the FREEDOM to build a game that smacks Dust 514 across the booty and leaves it behind. Sorry but I want a better game than Dust 514 in terms of 1.) Universe and playable size 2.) Animations and Combat 3.) Graphics 4.) Physics 5.) Size of maps 6.) Freedom to travel, fight, and to explore worlds of New Eden. 7.) Vehicles 8.) Freedom to build my character per skill system 9.) A commitment from CCP Games that the game can start small and build it's self up over time like Eve did. 10.) Integration with Eve that makes sense based on how the players play the Legion. 11.) Missions PvE and PvP 12.) Manufacturing 13.) Economic trade between Eve and Legion How do the boots on the ground fight for rule of planets? Simply put "Coordination Tools" within in the UI that integrates with Eve Online per pre made integration per Dust 514. Make a UI for Eve Pilots and Bunnies to place contracts for control of Planets per PI interface and you have integration 101. It is a very simple process in theory with a PI revamp with additional work that is necessary as long as the Iceland office approves from their Bat Caves. o/ But if there is no profit to be made why in the hell would a pilot want integration? Give the players a reason to make ISK and integration between both games will work. I bet that economists at Eve cold make a suggestion. He is brilliant. *********************A commitment from CCP Games that the game can start small and build it's self up over time like Eve did. ************************/ ATC
Dnaizohd Orlenaard Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2014.07.22 21:19:00 - [23] - Quote While I believe the EVE link is a good thing, I personally see it more as a bonus rather than a necessity, at least for the time being. Obviously it's good to market the game as something more different and unique but my opinion is that there needs to be priorities, first things first. You can't just build a link like that without any concrete gameplay, and it's just like the development of EVE: Valkyrie, they're focusing on the game itself first, and only then, on the EVE link. I have to agree with Rouge on this one, first build a solid shooter with it's own mechanics etc, in the same setting, then, after a while start inserting the EVE link. I also think Team True Grit should be big enough to cover all 3 games and create ways for all these gateways to interact, but that's a different topic Try EVE: Online with this link and get rewards!: https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=1a9dbe71-b180-4b3b-a590-0a0517
Templar Twelve Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 74	Posted - 2014.07.22 23:25:00 - [24] - Quote CCP, please realize the weight Legion would hold beside all other shooters out there, IF the EVE -link remains, or rather is emphasized and focused on. EVE pilots being in the same corporation as Legion soldiers wants to be able to du things together. Librarian and keeper of the Praetorian Temple Library
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15994	Posted - 2014.07.23 01:57:00 - [25] - Quote While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 368	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:22:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link? Are they not the same bloody company?! All these expansions in Eve are nice and all, but honestly how much longer will the game be? I see people who have left because it "got dull." Now, I do not take their word, and I do not play Eve, but think of the life you push into the game if you could say, "Transport the Mercs of tomorrow. Play Eve: Online. Engage in Warfare on a Galactic Scale, carry the ability to destroy moons, and do FAR worse to your enemies...The universe is yours..." Anyway yes, Legion can be a solid shooter...but that's all it'll be. A shooter, in a sea of shooters. It may be pretty, it may pop and sparkle, but every game needs a WOW factor. For Battlefield: Destructability. Call of Duty: Multiplayer in the fast-paced action/campaigns Mag: MASSIVE battles Legion: You can board a Titan, fight a minnie war on it, and try take the bridge while the ship crashes into the atmosphere of a world in real-time. You must upload a Capsuleer into the ship so they can regain control, or...well you all die... Umm...I'm going to pick the damn starship, especially if you can get the fast-paced combat of Dust and massive player counts. The Destructbility could be the Eve component with ships exploding and holes in the walls and so on. YOU NEED TO GO BIG, and you need to show that their is BIG BUCKS. I mean CCP is one company. They sure as hell want to make money...so I say go for the gold. Trying to add the Eve Link as an afterthought is what they did with Dust, and yes, it was the PS3 and Sony, but starting from scratch with the community looking over their shoulders and applauding or pointing out issues, that is what they need. From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 368	Posted - 2014.07.23 02:27:00 - [27] - Quote And Destiny/Legion are very similar. Destiny has factions, Legion has races. Destiny has seamless public events and the ability to pick where you go, Legion has Contracts. Destiny has PVP and PVE. Legion has PVP and hopefully PVE. Destiny has upgradeable gear and special powers. Legion has upgradeable gear via the market and modules to increase their effectiveness Destiny has Fireteams. Legion may have squads or Corporations Destiny is 500 million dollars, console-only. Legion: PC only atm So Legion sure as hell better be the Destiny of the PC. To do that, it needs a wow factor. Scope, immersion. Things that bridging it with EVE from the GET-GO can bring, not saying otherwise...but hey...i give up. I'm an aspiring developer, so I don't know best. Make your game CCP, I'll be here for any advice or feedback you need. 07 From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15994	Posted - 2014.07.23 04:09:00 - [28] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link? Are they not the same bloody company?! All these expansions in Eve are nice and all, but honestly how much longer will the game be? I see people who have left because it "got dull." Now, I do not take their word, and I do not play Eve, but think of the life you push into the game if you could say, "Transport the Mercs of tomorrow. Play Eve: Online. Engage in Warfare on a Galactic Scale, carry the ability to destroy moons, and do FAR worse to your enemies...The universe is yours..." Anyway yes, Legion can be a solid shooter...but that's all it'll be. A shooter, in a sea of shooters. It may be pretty, it may pop and sparkle, but every game needs a WOW factor. For Battlefield: Destructability. Call of Duty: Multiplayer in the fast-paced action/campaigns Mag: MASSIVE battles Legion: You can board a Titan, fight a minnie war on it, and try take the bridge while the ship crashes into the atmosphere of a world in real-time. You must upload a Capsuleer into the ship so they can regain control, or...well you all die... Umm...I'm going to pick the damn starship, especially if you can get the fast-paced combat of Dust and massive player counts. The Destructbility could be the Eve component with ships exploding and holes in the walls and so on. YOU NEED TO GO BIG, and you need to show that their is BIG BUCKS. I mean CCP is one company. They sure as hell want to make money...so I say go for the gold. Trying to add the Eve Link as an afterthought is what they did with Dust, and yes, it was the PS3 and Sony, but starting from scratch with the community looking over their shoulders and applauding or pointing out issues, that is what they need. The titan boarding thing is the reason why the link is going have opponents; players to do. Hundreds of players whose content would be robbed if you put it into the fate of 32 people. Ask any veteran or reviewer of dust of what is its most endearing feature. Link is nowhere near on the top of that list. People are. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8901	Posted - 2014.07.23 13:10:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link? Are they not the same bloody company?! All these expansions in Eve are nice and all, but honestly how much longer will the game be? I see people who have left because it "got dull." Now, I do not take their word, and I do not play Eve, but think of the life you push into the game if you could say, "Transport the Mercs of tomorrow. Play Eve: Online. Engage in Warfare on a Galactic Scale, carry the ability to destroy moons, and do FAR worse to your enemies...The universe is yours..." Anyway yes, Legion can be a solid shooter...but that's all it'll be. A shooter, in a sea of shooters. It may be pretty, it may pop and sparkle, but every game needs a WOW factor. For Battlefield: Destructability. Call of Duty: Multiplayer in the fast-paced action/campaigns Mag: MASSIVE battles Legion: You can board a Titan, fight a minnie war on it, and try take the bridge while the ship crashes into the atmosphere of a world in real-time. You must upload a Capsuleer into the ship so they can regain control, or...well you all die... Umm...I'm going to pick the damn starship, especially if you can get the fast-paced combat of Dust and massive player counts. The Destructbility could be the Eve component with ships exploding and holes in the walls and so on. YOU NEED TO GO BIG, and you need to show that their is BIG BUCKS. I mean CCP is one company. They sure as hell want to make money...so I say go for the gold. Trying to add the Eve Link as an afterthought is what they did with Dust, and yes, it was the PS3 and Sony, but starting from scratch with the community looking over their shoulders and applauding or pointing out issues, that is what they need. The titan boarding thing is the reason why the link is going have opponents; players to do. Hundreds of players whose content would be robbed if you put it into the fate of 32 people. Ask any veteran or reviewer of dust of what is its most endearing feature. Link is nowhere near on the top of that list. People are. There are not as many opponents as one would think. Eve players do have a reason to be concerned about their own ships, but there are plenty of players who might be ok with boarding player-made stations at least. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries 959	Posted - 2014.07.23 14:53:00 - [30] - Quote Beta that ***** for a LOOONG time then release with EVE link...



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