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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:23:00 -
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I sound cruel and spiteful, I apologize for that. According to what I've heard, Legion is not being developed with an Eve Link in mind save for being in the same universe...
This is a horrible idea. I dislike bringing it up, but Destiny is already a massive game CCP. It has the ability to collect loot, engage in contracts at YOUR choosing, and you still get a nice fighter to look at. There's player interaction, seamless public events, and this is just from 5 hours playing the beta...
I'm not saying Legion can't do this better, but it true needs to sell itself from the pack. There are a wealth of games that will be coming out soon, and Legion needs a serious "Buy me" factor. You have a community that saves they aren't going to Legion, there needs to be a reason to. You already have an established and esteemed IP, and that needs to have a game built AROUND that. There is no problem with people saying, "Legion is what players do when not playing EVE" because you can make Eve need Legion as well. You are repeating the same mistakes that you made with Dust, and that has gotten us with a very little connection and usage from Eve save for PC, which is very costly, and FW, which hard as there aren't too many popular channels, and FW on the Dust side has issues.
Destiny is much like Legion, but Legion should exploit Destiny. You guys may be able to have Guardians fight each, but I'll be getting an Armada of Titans and Cruisers to have a Mini-war while us mercs rage Hell on Okomon V in an attempt to break into the player customized district.
I do not recall ever getting a Headline for Dust. You need to make them for Legion. Please make the around as a spin-off on Eve, not as a standalone trying to say, "Oh yeah we also have this game." I'm not saying it won't be enough, but if we can get a solid foundation of connectivity first with some core game features to be established, then you have a winner. Please, I implore you to not make this mistake. Legion really could become the next BIG thing in gaming, but that requires making one game give a crap about another in real-time. It's something you kinda did with Dust, now flesh it out and make it a crucial of Legion, with other side things and the rest of the game if the player just wants to shoot things
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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:07:00 -
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Exactly. I mean visuals will only get you so far. With the hardware of computers, what game would you more likely play? A game where you have a spaceship, or a game where you can see ARMADAS of them engaging in real-time over your head with Orbital Strikes raining down?
Shall we start some brainstorming ideas of what can be done?
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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.07.21 11:26:00 -
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Then keep this thread alive.
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Posted - 2014.07.22 11:28:00 -
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Hawk-eye Occultus wrote:Grimmiers wrote:What about that pc 2.0 where eve players pilot the warbarges? That would be the single most boring job in the entire universe.
Not if Warbarges could boost the stats of the orbital fleet. That would make taking out the war barge the center battle :) Imagine, if the Warbarge is critically damaged in the fighting, along with Null Cannons on the ground, then your ship goes down faster!
And for the Eve Game Link: A Carrier can house Valkyrie pilots, and they damage parts of Eve ships which aid in their destruction sooner. Or...an Eve Valkyrie carrier ship could have Dust mercs aboard, and they board other Star ships...just like the Eve; Inferno I believe commercial where it shows Scout CK.0 and Plasma Cannons and so on...
CCP please use this Eve Link. I begging you
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:22:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link?
Are they not the same bloody company?! All these expansions in Eve are nice and all, but honestly how much longer will the game be? I see people who have left because it "got dull." Now, I do not take their word, and I do not play Eve, but think of the life you push into the game if you could say, "Transport the Mercs of tomorrow. Play Eve: Online. Engage in Warfare on a Galactic Scale, carry the ability to destroy moons, and do FAR worse to your enemies...The universe is yours..."
Anyway yes, Legion can be a solid shooter...but that's all it'll be. A shooter, in a sea of shooters. It may be pretty, it may pop and sparkle, but every game needs a WOW factor. For Battlefield: Destructability. Call of Duty: Multiplayer in the fast-paced action/campaigns
Mag: MASSIVE battles
Legion: You can board a Titan, fight a minnie war on it, and try take the bridge while the ship crashes into the atmosphere of a world in real-time. You must upload a Capsuleer into the ship so they can regain control, or...well you all die...
Umm...I'm going to pick the damn starship, especially if you can get the fast-paced combat of Dust and massive player counts. The Destructbility could be the Eve component with ships exploding and holes in the walls and so on.
YOU NEED TO GO BIG, and you need to show that their is BIG BUCKS. I mean CCP is one company. They sure as hell want to make money...so I say go for the gold. Trying to add the Eve Link as an afterthought is what they did with Dust, and yes, it was the PS3 and Sony, but starting from scratch with the community looking over their shoulders and applauding or pointing out issues, that is what they need.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 02:27:00 -
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And Destiny/Legion are very similar. Destiny has factions, Legion has races. Destiny has seamless public events and the ability to pick where you go, Legion has Contracts. Destiny has PVP and PVE. Legion has PVP and hopefully PVE. Destiny has upgradeable gear and special powers. Legion has upgradeable gear via the market and modules to increase their effectiveness
Destiny has Fireteams. Legion may have squads or Corporations Destiny is 500 million dollars, console-only. Legion: PC only atm
So Legion sure as hell better be the Destiny of the PC. To do that, it needs a wow factor. Scope, immersion. Things that bridging it with EVE from the GET-GO can bring, not saying otherwise...but hey...i give up. I'm an aspiring developer, so I don't know best. Make your game CCP, I'll be here for any advice or feedback you need.
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Posted - 2014.07.26 16:28:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:While it would be nice there is one massive factor you're missing... How are you going to convince the eve developers to build that link? They're the same company and last time I checked it's their job and they'll do what they're told. This confirms what I've suspected for a longtime , that the link is small in DUST and likely will be in Legion. People like the politics and wars of EVE online, they draw in a lot of attention, and everyone I know who is familiar with EVE has respect for it in that regard. What stops those people from playing are the complexities and time investments of the game itself. They'd like to be in a huge battle and change the course of New Eden history but they don't want to spend months skilling into the ships they need and then waiting a few more months for something to happen. This is where Legion should come in. With a full link it give anyone an opportunity to be a part of these newsworthy events. With it's free to play model and relatively familiar mechanics anyone can be a part of it. I've posted countless times on the forums ideas for links between the two games which are relatively simple in terms of information transfer but add new dimensions to both games. This isn't just about Legion needing EVE to be viable, it's about EVE needing Legion to be sustainable. Slowly EVE will become less and less relevant and fewer people will start and the same people who've been playing for a decade will control everything, but add another dimension with Legion and one game will never fully be able to control the other but they can surely affect each other. I've proposed many times different ways to link both games and they are quite obvious. All planetary actions from PI to land acquisition are under the control of Legion players. Like in EVE depending on the region the players themselves will have more or less control. All Space actions are in the realm of EVE, from troop transport, warbarge piloting, customs offices, and orbital strikes. If actions can be done through contracts and a linked currency you've added a large dimension to EVE, and a very large dimension to Legion. If this kind of link could be established IDK how CCP could avoid positive attention and praise. No other game could compete, they may be able to outdo certain aspects but they would never build a living universe on that scale. This comment by IWS is why it likely won't happen, because CCP has the vision, but doesn't have the will to take something all the way. Maybe they don't want a repeat of Incarna, but this isn't about saving just one game, it's about saving both.
I agree 100%. Could you possibly post some of your ideas in this thread via copy-paste? It'd be nice if we can start brainstorming some EVE-Legion links. It isn't enough to post for something to be done, we have to give ideas as well :)
@Ghural- Naw, IWS is alright to post his opinion, it was a good question. Eve CCP and Dust CCP are focused on different games. However, they are the same company, they better do what they're told
@iWS- Players who already have massive amounts of ISK and SP in this game are bored. Why? It's either due PC, stomp pubs, get stomped in pubs, or FW. That's it, it's all ground battles. I don't know about the skill progression in Legion, and yes it is going to have PVE and all, but honestly EVE is already established. Why the hell are we trying to rebuild an entire game, when we could make Legion a deep facet of another. Tallen Ellecon stated it right out of my mouth. Eve takes forever to get into, and while changing history is cool, losing billions of Isk is not. Legion, being the streamlined FPS that CCP Z wants, will add accessibility, and with that, when people are waiting for their skills to train up in Eve, they can be fighting wars in Legion. I mean the contracts are already going to take place in New Eden so I can't fathom they will forego the link. My issue with it is that it will not be anything that we care about. It is very hard for FW to get Eve pilots, because Molden Heath is so dangerous..There goes one link. PC- Need a fleet, need to be in a strong alliance, even then no guarantee. Smaller corps are excluded. Done, there goes their other link for the majority of players. The only time Dust players may ever see an Eve pilot is in Local Chat. That is a no no
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