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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8818	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:40:00 - [1] - Quote Really anxious to hear about this, as it is listed as part of the Charlie hotfix. Well, actually only loyalty points are listed, but I'll include standings and the store in this for a little more discussion. Loyalty Points First, let's look at current LP payouts Standing: Win / Lose Level 0: 326 / 65 Level 1: 350 / 70 Level 2: 375 / 75 Level 3: 403 / 81 Level 4: 432 / 86 Level 5: 464 / 93 Level 6: 497 / 99 Level 7: 534 / 107 Level 8: 572 / 114 Level 9: 614 / 123 Level 10: 659 / 132 Not even mentioning the overall low values of these, but you have two other big issues in my opinion 1) Increases are largely linear. There's a bit of a curve, but it should be steeper 2) Overall max potential increase in payout is only roughly double. There should be a much wider discrepancy between no loyalty and max loyalty. Standings Now let's also take a look at how many wins are required to advanced levels in standing. Standing: Wins from last rank / Total wins from beginning Level 0: 0 / 0 Level 1: 3 / 3 Level 2: 6 / 9 Level 3: 9 / 18 Level 4: 15 / 33 Level 5: 28 / 61 Level 6: 45 / 106 Level 7: 70 / 176 Level 8: 100 / 276 Level 9: 145 / 421 Level 10: 200 / 621 Some people may say this is way too steep. I however originally liked the progression back when I was under the impression that Dust 514 had many years of life left in front of it. Now, however, I am also in agreement that this is too steep. I have always been a real active member in the FW side of things, and have definitely played a ton of FW especially since the loyalty addition in Uprising 1.7 on December 10th. Using myself then as a gauge, I have accumulated just under 300 wins (recently achieved level 8 standing and now sitting at 12% towards next) in 7 months. At this rate, it would take over a year to achieve max standing. So I guess it comes down to, 1) Will FW standings transfer to Legion? If so, having a long progression system is fine 2) If not, then how how long should it take (in terms of time) on average to reach max standing? Tanking into consideration not everyone should be max standing, it should be a big achievement, but it should also be reasonably obtainable. 3) How will other FW changes affect the frequency of FW matches? 621 wins wouldn't be that much if you could quickly get into matches instead of waiting 10+ minutes in-between. Perhaps any changes to standing should then wait until Hotfix Delta to see how participation changes in Charlie. Loyalty Store Lastly let's take a look at the loyalty store. Currently all items have both an LP value and an ISK value, however you only get paid from FW contracts in LP. CCP FoxFour insisted it work this way because that is how it works in EVE. However, in EVE you can make ISK off of the salvage from the ships you destroy while doing FW. In Dust, however, you cannot. Additionally, in most cases you cannot even use the salvage as part of your inventory since the stuff you destroy is likely stuff you don't use. For example, most Gallente FW players will run Gallente suits with armor mods, but most the stuff they destroy and then salvage will be Caldari suits with shield mods. So what must be done? 1) Remove the ISK fee from loyalty items, perhaps raise LP prices to compensate 2) Add ISK payments to FW contracts in addition to LP payments 3) Add a "Sell to NPC Market" option so we can make ISK off our salvage 4) Change the salvage feature such that you salvage stuff from your own team's losses instead of the other team's Personally I would prefer option (1), but if (3) were at all possible then clearly that would be the best route. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4148	Posted - 2014.07.17 23:31:00 - [2] - Quote I think that if you play casually you should be able to reach level 10 standings in 6-9 months If you're hardcore playing every day it should only be like 3-4 months While yes I agree that it shouldn't be something easy like a long-term goal, it shouldn't take a whole year to do. It should also increase dramatically at later levels, with one large step at the end. That said, the initial payouts should be really small in order to realize how much better rewards you get just my gainign a few ranks of standings. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11993	Posted - 2014.07.17 23:46:00 - [3] - Quote Wow I swear my wins haven't be applying to my over all rank. Since the standings changes I must have been in almost 500+ battles with well over half of them being wins........ and I'm stuck at 6...... "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10625	Posted - 2014.07.18 02:47:00 - [4] - Quote 5.) Add Missing Items to Loyalty Stores The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10625	Posted - 2014.07.18 02:48:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Wow I swear my wins haven't be applying to my over all rank. Since the standings changes I must have been in almost 500+ battles with well over half of them being wins........ and I'm stuck at 6...... It's a glitch. If you look at your Character Sheet, you'll see that your standings have increased. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3811	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:10:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Wow I swear my wins haven't be applying to my over all rank. Since the standings changes I must have been in almost 500+ battles with well over half of them being wins........ and I'm stuck at 6...... It's a glitch. If you look at your Character Sheet, you'll see that your standings have increased. You also need to stop dropping RDVs and tanks on people. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8838	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:05:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: 5.) Add Missing Items to Loyalty Stores The points I was making were in regard to making the loyalty store more practical in terms of making transactions, so your additional point doesn't really do anything. However, it is definitely something that is needed (and really silly it was ignored during Uprising 1.8) Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3812	Posted - 2014.07.19 03:02:00 - [8] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I think that if you play casually you should be able to reach level 10 standings in 6-9 months If you're hardcore playing every day it should only be like 3-4 months While yes I agree that it shouldn't be something easy like a long-term goal, it shouldn't take a whole year to do. It should also increase dramatically at later levels, with one large step at the end. That said, the initial payouts should be really small in order to realize how much better rewards you get just my gainign a few ranks of standings. That sounds too easy. I'd say 6 months for level 10 for the hardcore, 9-12 months for the more casual. (This is naturally assuming carryover into the next game. Otherwise your numbers are absolutely correct.) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15483	Posted - 2014.07.28 15:12:00 - [9] - Quote Just going to bump this because it's a good thread and FW changes are a little under the radar it seems. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 789	Posted - 2014.07.28 21:22:00 - [10] - Quote I completely agree. LP rewards should be increased and isk should just be removed from the whole thing. (unless there was a way to sell salvage like you said). I've always wanted to get into FW with the idea that I could field all LP suits (kinda cool from a role playing perspective) but the low payout and isk for LP items always stop me. That and repeatedly getting stomped by Q synced douches. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4962	Posted - 2014.07.28 22:18:00 - [11] - Quote Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12292	Posted - 2014.07.28 22:39:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. Thats certainly wonderful. I bankrupted myself in FW since ISK went out of it dropping over the course of 6 months from 250 Million ISK sustainable to about 32 million sustainable.... I must admit the competition has been lacking in both side of the Min Amarr warzone atm........ Amarr has all 3 of its weapons.....it just needs the Scout..... other than that we have no other content so to speak.....unless an Imperial Madrugar/ Reskinned Maddy with the Imperial Seal on it appears..... That bloody Gallentean Eagle irks me every time I see it..... Will players existing LP stats be modified to reflect the changes..... I certainly do not have an equivalent number of LP for my efforts currently..... "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3830	Posted - 2014.07.29 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thats certainly wonderful. I bankrupted myself in FW since ISK went out of it dropping over the course of 6 months from 250 Million ISK sustainable to about 32 million sustainable.... I must admit the competition has been lacking in both side of the Min Amarr warzone atm........ Amarr has all 3 of its weapons.....it just needs the Scout..... other than that we have no other content so to speak.....unless an Imperial Madrugar/ Reskinned Maddy with the Imperial Seal on it appears..... That bloody Gallentean Eagle irks me every time I see it..... Will players existing LP stats be modified to reflect the changes..... I certainly do not have an equivalent number of LP for my efforts currently..... My thoughts exactly. Please try to increase the standings of players to reflect what they "should" be with the new changes, at the very least for those who have already shown dedication to a certain faction and already have achieved a certain level. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
NoxMort3m D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 501	Posted - 2014.07.29 00:20:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. Lp item priorities 1 Dropsuits 2 Vehicles 3 Weapons 4 Equipment 5 Mods( all) And honestly i would go further and say the proto tier was more important because its what can be loyalty ed into from advanced, followed by specialist varieties, which is the second reason people run FW Director:Diplomat Search DL514 to apply
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8876	Posted - 2014.07.29 00:40:00 - [15] - Quote Absolutely what is most important is getting the dropsuits added in, and the ones that are missing are all the ones added in Uprising 1.8. So Amarr Scout, Caldari Scout, Caldari Sentinel, Caldari Commando, Gallente Sentinel, Gallente Commando, Minmatar Sentinel, and Minmatar Commando. And I agree, if it needs to be broken down anymore I'd say at least get the prototype versions in. I could keep making a list, but honestly the dropsuits are such a vastly higher priority than anything else so I won't bother. Get those in first. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2658	Posted - 2014.07.29 01:26:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. What about increasing salvage because I hardly get more than like 6 items in salvage even when we kill 150 clones. Tanker/Logi
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12301	Posted - 2014.07.29 01:40:00 - [17] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. What about increasing salvage because I hardly get more than like 6 items in salvage even when we kill 150 clones. Salvage is not a draw though since more than half of it you often cant use of can use significantly better. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
WREX PHACES ROGUE RELICS Dark Taboo 4	Posted - 2014.07.29 02:48:00 - [18] - Quote Just an idea, but what if FW wasn't a game type, instead a game mode. For instance you pick your game type(ambush,dom,skirm) then pick your game mode( public/faction) thus match making doesn't change, just an individuals payouts. Either isk or lp. As far as orbitals go, all should come from eve. Its ccp job to make sure they go/work together.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12308	Posted - 2014.07.29 03:05:00 - [19] - Quote WREX PHACES wrote: Just an idea, but what if FW wasn't a game type, instead a game mode. For instance you pick your game type(ambush,dom,skirm) then pick your game mode( public/faction) thus match making doesn't change, just an individuals payouts. Either isk or lp. As far as orbitals go, all should come from eve. Its ccp job to make sure they go/work together. I don't really see the point of that to be honest. If we need any choices given to us its that we need to be able to select which systems we fight in and districts we fight on. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
MINA Longstrike 1068	Posted - 2014.07.29 03:55:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. Every race needs at least two main weapons, an av weapon, a sidearm, a heavy weapon, the full compliment of drop suits, a tank, a lav, a dropship, a small turret, a large turret. For the races that don't have things like heavy weapons or av (hi amarr) we should be able to purchase stuff like khanid swarms or khanid tanks, or viziam forges (ideally grabbing from their allies in the places where they lack). I've always been bothered by the incomplete racial diversity in this game and when it comes to facwar the lack of complete diversity will affect what team you play for. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12311	Posted - 2014.07.29 03:58:00 - [21] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. Every race needs at least two main weapons, an av weapon, a sidearm, a heavy weapon, the full compliment of drop suits, a tank, a lav, a dropship, a small turret, a large turret. For the races that don't have things like heavy weapons or av (hi amarr) we should be able to purchase stuff like khanid swarms or khanid tanks, or viziam forges (ideally grabbing from their allies in the places where they lack). I've always been bothered by the incomplete racial diversity in this game and when it comes to facwar the lack of complete diversity will affect what team you play for. I'd certainly FW all day everyday for Khanid Tanks. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1233	Posted - 2014.07.29 03:58:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Thanks for a detailed overview. We want to make start by multiplying the LP rewards as a simple kickstarter for people interested in FW and create a sustainable way of earning enough LP to fund their LP fittings. Second, we want to decrease the grind a little and make top standings easier to achieve. Removing ISK prices, or adding ISK rewards, etc is more difficult and time consuming as it has to be done on an item by item basis. Adding more LP items is possible as well as time consuming, I would actually like if the community would give us feedback via a ranked list, by importance. I personally haven't looked into it, but I know a lot of things are missing, but are there dropsuits, key weapons etc for each race that are missing. Sell to NPC is not happening in the near to mid term but switching the salvage to your own team is actually possible and pretty smart. Thanks, Rattati. One serious question for you as you look into this: What should the balance be for "breaking even" in a FW match as far as risk vs reward? Example: My proto Cal Logi with i believe all but one module fully ISK purchased costs 55, 530 ISK and 1110 LP (across 3x factions). At level 10 under the current system it would take 2 battles to replace a single suit...definitely seems out of kilter. Even when scaling down to ADV and such the outlay of costs is a serious detractor to FW. My feeling is tha the earnings from FW should sustain you if you wish to be a full time FW player. So...what is your opinion on how many suits / vehicles worth of losses are acceptable by tier (Proto, Adv, Std) per match for a win to allow you to stay LP positive? please note...whole other discussion is total cost of suit in ISK for Logis. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
iKILLu osborne Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.07.29 04:24:00 - [23] - Quote the missing 1.8 dropsuits should take priority first. I also had an idea (very unlikely) but could a function be added to exchange one type of lp for another at a x3 rate for example i could trade 600cal lp for 200 gal lp,if that isn't possiple maybe make the lp earned being able to purchase alliance faction gear(cal&amarr) (gal&min) ^just an idea don't get all trolley on me and i don't care about lore just making a suggestion "uh guys" "i got to go back to the mcc those 10 ads's made me crap my dropsuit"
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6786	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:03:00 - [24] - Quote I can only speak for the Gallente LP Store since it is literally the only one I traverse. -Commando Suits -Sentinel Suits -Ion Pistol + there should be a specialist Ion Pistol (fully auto Ion Pistol ? ) On top of that there needs to be more immersion amongst the Factional Equipment. For example you could reskin the Federation Assault Gk.0 with the Federal Marine gk.0 that came in the Gallente Combat pack. There just needs to be something that sets them apart from the basic equipment. Even if it's something as trivial as color. see you space cowboy...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12316	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:03:00 - [25] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: the missing 1.8 dropsuits should take priority first. I also had an idea (very unlikely) but could a function be added to exchange one type of lp for another at a x3 rate for example i could trade 600cal lp for 200 gal lp,if that isn't possiple maybe make the lp earned being able to purchase alliance faction gear(cal&amarr) (gal&min) ^just an idea don't get all trolley on me and i don't care about lore just making a suggestion That doesn't make sense. LP is not a true currency its a measurement of the trust and appreciation a Faction has for you. While Amarr and Cal, Gall and Min are allies....they certainly aren't friends. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6786	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:10:00 - [26] - Quote True Adamance wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: the missing 1.8 dropsuits should take priority first. I also had an idea (very unlikely) but could a function be added to exchange one type of lp for another at a x3 rate for example i could trade 600cal lp for 200 gal lp,if that isn't possiple maybe make the lp earned being able to purchase alliance faction gear(cal&amarr) (gal&min) ^just an idea don't get all trolley on me and i don't care about lore just making a suggestion That doesn't make sense. LP is not a true currency its a measurement of the trust and appreciation a Faction has for you. While Amarr and Cal, Gall and Min are allies....they certainly aren't friends. Damn Trash Monkeys. It's okay! I can say it, I have Minmatar friends. see you space cowboy...
iKILLu osborne Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.07.29 06:46:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: the missing 1.8 dropsuits should take priority first. I also had an idea (very unlikely) but could a function be added to exchange one type of lp for another at a x3 rate for example i could trade 600cal lp for 200 gal lp,if that isn't possiple maybe make the lp earned being able to purchase alliance faction gear(cal&amarr) (gal&min) ^just an idea don't get all trolley on me and i don't care about lore just making a suggestion That doesn't make sense. LP is not a true currency its a measurement of the trust and appreciation a Faction has for you. While Amarr and Cal, Gall and Min are allies....they certainly aren't friends. as i said adamance you are a troll go into your cave your drunk( and lonely) "uh guys" "i got to go back to the mcc those 10 ads's made me crap my dropsuit"
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 796	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:15:00 - [28] - Quote I don't mind the grind, its something that sets you apart from other players, and if LP payout is going up I see no problem with it. Don't change the grind! Also increasing the salvage rate too making it a bit more viable. Will note, I don't mean increase by <50% (which i think it is now) but make it something like 30%-50%, so the salvage levels are more consistent. I either get next to no salvage, or a lot of the stuff. More consistency would be great. I need a way to get rid of the junk in my inventory... I don't want to use it because, well... Its junk. Word Crimes 21Day Free Trial
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 311	Posted - 2014.07.29 07:54:00 - [29] - Quote Each Faction needs complete Dropsuits and Tanks If people could get their Armor Tanks from some other faction maybe they wouldn't fight on Gallente all the time just for tanks.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6787	Posted - 2014.07.29 11:52:00 - [30] - Quote Luther Mandrix wrote: Each Faction needs complete Dropsuits and Tanks If people could get their Armor Tanks from some other faction maybe they wouldn't fight on Gallente all the time just for tanks. I'm going to be honest, that tank fitting is ***. It forces you to have two turrets. Trust me, that's not the reason people play for Gallente. I've heard plenty of excuses but that one just is not one. see you space cowboy...*



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