I can only speak for the Gallente LP Store since it is literally the only one I traverse.

-Commando Suits
-Sentinel Suits
-Ion Pistol + there should be a specialist Ion Pistol (fully auto Ion Pistol ? )

On top of that there needs to be more immersion amongst the Factional Equipment.


For example you could reskin the Federation Assault Gk.0 with the Federal Marine gk.0 that came in the Gallente Combat pack.


There just needs to be something that sets them apart from the basic equipment. Even if it's something as trivial as color.

Thanks, Rattati.

One serious question for you as you look into this: What should the balance be for "breaking even" in a FW match as far as risk vs reward?

First, you have to work out a standard loyalty point -> isk conversion ratio. In Eve, the gold standard is 1LP -> 1000 isk; anything less than that is bad value.

In Dust, we don't have a player market so the isk value can't really be set, but if we peg it at the same rate, we get:

Loyalty Tier level 1: 326k isk-equivalent for a win, 65k for a loss
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Loyalty Tier 10 win: 659k for a win, 132k for a loss.

Personally, I think that's a pretty good payout structure; the prices in the LP store just need to be normalised to make it happen.

1) Remove the ISK fee from loyalty items, perhaps raise LP prices to compensate
2) Add ISK payments to FW contracts in addition to LP payments
3) Add a "Sell to NPC Market" option so we can make ISK off our salvage
4) Change the salvage feature such that you salvage stuff from your own team's losses instead of the other team's

Personally I would prefer option (1), but if (3) were at all possible then clearly that would be the best route.

Sponk - I've done similar math but the breakdown in the formula is that in an ISK driven match my performance directly impacts my payout. Effort is mildly relevant in FW; it also doesn't incentives you to use better gear to help secure the win.

Also...i'm not quite sure how you calculated the LP to ISK conversion. Did you take a base item and convert it from LP to ISK in cost?

Conceptually, i don't think I should have to fight half a dozen battles to pay for one kitted out drop suit.

I'm not sure what you mean. The disparity between the layouts for winning vs losing heavily incentivise using better gear and organised squads.



I looked at the LP rewards and multiplied by 1000. Once a LP->ISK ratio for income is decided on, then the next step is to adjust LP expenditure so that it roughly matches up, by whatever heuristics you choose.



My proto suits are usually ~150k, which means going x/4 is still break-even under my proposal. Care to explain your statement further?

Sponk...sorry if I wasn't clear, was rushing through the post earlier.

1) In ISK based matches your ISK reward is heavily based on your personal performance in battle...LP fights aren't. You get what you get based on team victory / defeat and standings. Not necessarily a bad thing mind you but I would like to see performance matter in your LP payout like a bonus on top of the baseline award. It's been touched on various places but from a raw payout efficiency standpoint running cheap gear is better for payouts...I think the payouts should be significantly increased and create a heavier incentive for victory.

My overall opinion is that if a player wants to make a career out of FW the payout structure should support that at least as well as pub & PC matches.

2) When I last did this conversion (long time ago) i took a Federation Duvolle AR and market place Duvolle AR and used that as my baseline conversion tool. My assumption is that the rate is consistent across items. The numbers seemed different from what i remembered and what you were using - that's all.

3) I run full support logi suits so my suit costs run about 210K to 225K ISK depending on load out. I went in and replicated the fit with all LP stuff and it comes out to 1110 LP spread across 3x factions. I should have qualified my comment with that since the price of various suits can vary pretty widely.

Ah, I see. Yeah, I can see the incentive for personal effort as a component of your reward. I would, however, say that my preference is that personal effort should be de-emphasised compared to pub matches. Remember, LP boosters do exist.

With regards to LP conversion, has anyone done the analysis? Would love to see a spreadsheet.

Logistics suits will necessarily be more expensive, because prototype equipment is incredibly expensive. I guess break-even time varies wildly based on fit, but proto logis probably aren't the best representative fit to compare against.