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Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 614	Posted - 2014.07.16 22:49:00 - [1] - Quote DO IT NOW!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2362	Posted - 2014.07.16 22:55:00 - [2] - Quote You know I keep hearing this, but I've always wondered....how would this work? How would you select what grenade you want to throw? Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3143	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:10:00 - [3] - Quote To echo Pokey: Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2365	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:11:00 - [4] - Quote I mean the idea of grenade bonuses, like damage, capacity, blast radius? Sounds good. But I keep hearing people call for a second grenade slot and I'm just not seeing how to pull that off given the way grenades work in this game, so I'm just trying to be reasonable in regards to what can actually happen and will work. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
MINA Longstrike 1025	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:13:00 - [5] - Quote A second grenade slot isn't as important as other things. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10567	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:15:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DUST 514 No double grenades No double weapon assault Not removing Commandos I replied to a topic like this before, let's all remember these definitive answers. Source The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2365	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:17:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DUST 514 No double grenades No double weapon assault Not removing Commandos I replied to a topic like this before, let's all remember these definitive answers. Does anyone else love how snarky and openly annoyed Rattati gets? Its awesome. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10567	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:20:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Does anyone else love how snarky and openly annoyed Rattati gets? Its awesome. Yeah, it's pretty funny too. Kinda reminds me of my Uncle. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 614	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:22:00 - [9] - Quote rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand... less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit. make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo...
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2366	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 - [10] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand... less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit. make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... Answer my question then, how would the game mechanic work for double grenades? How would you select which grenade to throw? Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1

Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10567	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 - [11] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand... less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit. make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change. Which (as we all know), is currently not an option. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 614	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 - [12] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: To echo Pokey: Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently. add it to the equipment and gun wheel...
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 135	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 - [13] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: DUST 514 No double grenades No double weapon assault Not removing Commandos I replied to a topic like this before, let's all remember these definitive answers. Does anyone else love how snarky and openly annoyed Rattati gets? Its awesome.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 614	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:24:00 - [14] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand... less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit. make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... Answer my question then, how would the game mechanic work for double grenades? How would you select which grenade to throw? lol.. was answering this as you posted this...
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2366	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:26:00 - [15] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: To echo Pokey: Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently. add it to the equipment and gun wheel... That's not a hotfixable change. The positions on the wheel are tied to the equipment and weapons. The grenade assets have zero connection to the wheel, and thus can't be swapped in like that. That means a client-side change would need to happen, and that cant happen. Since Double grenade is physically not an options, lets have a discussion about other ways we can make Assaults good at using grenades. Id be all for a +% Damage and/or +% Blast Radius per level, as well as a +2 Carry Capacity flat bonus (not per level). Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 614	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:28:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand... less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit. make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change. Which (as we all know), is currently not an option. see, to me this is like saying, to cure the patient we have to use a medicine we have arbitrarily chosen not to use, because reasons.... I have heard the thin argument of lots of stuff to do server side, we can do client but aren't because we don't want to make you have to re DL dust there are sooooooooo many things that could be fixed and added... like a sell option in assets...that a client side update would be well worth it to everyone... so why not an effing client side update now? for real?
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 614	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:30:00 - [17] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: To echo Pokey: Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently. add it to the equipment and gun wheel... That's not a hotfixable change. The positions on the wheel are tied to the equipment and weapons. The grenade assets have zero connection to the wheel, and thus can't be swapped in like that. That means a client-side change would need to happen, and that cant happen. Since Double grenade is physically not an options, lets have a discussion about other ways we can make Assaults good at using grenades. Id be all for a +% Damage and/or +% Blast Radius per level, as well as a +2 Carry Capacity flat bonus (not per level). it can happen, rattati has said it can happen, his reasoning for it not happening was to not burden us with re downloading dust...
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2366	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:33:00 - [18] - Quote Lets be honest, the reason a client update wont happen is because its time consuming and expensive, and they don't have the resources to pull it off. Sorry to say but the ones making the calls when it comes to finances is CCP upper management, and they don't care if you get double grenades, they care that Dust doesn't spend too much money at this stage of the game. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2305	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:34:00 - [19] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: You know I keep hearing this, but I've always wondered....how would this work? How would you select what grenade you want to throw? I don't see why one couldn't use the weapon/equipment wheel. Might need a client update though. Edit: Just noticed someone mentioned it. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2926	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:37:00 - [20] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Atiim wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand... less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit. make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change. Which (as we all know), is currently not an option. see, to me this is like saying, to cure the patient we have to use a medicine we have arbitrarily chosen not to use, because reasons.... I have heard the thin argument of lots of stuff to do server side, we can do client but aren't because we don't want to make you have to re DL dust there are sooooooooo many things that could be fixed and added... like a sell option in assets...that a client side update would be well worth it to everyone... so why not an effing client side update now? for real? Because (if rumors are true) Sony dropped their deal with CCP because of the Fanfest 2014 fiasco. It would cost CCP money to provide a client update, now, along with the normal Sony Q&A stuff. Its not gonna happen. Just drop it. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2367	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:45:00 - [21] - Quote I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server. Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2977	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:47:00 - [22] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: You know I keep hearing this, but I've always wondered....how would this work? How would you select what grenade you want to throw? Makes perfect sense. Scratch this idea. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 615	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:51:00 - [23] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Atiim wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand... less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit. make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change. Which (as we all know), is currently not an option. see, to me this is like saying, to cure the patient we have to use a medicine we have arbitrarily chosen not to use, because reasons.... I have heard the thin argument of lots of stuff to do server side, we can do client but aren't because we don't want to make you have to re DL dust there are sooooooooo many things that could be fixed and added... like a sell option in assets...that a client side update would be well worth it to everyone... so why not an effing client side update now? for real? Because (if rumors are true) Sony dropped their deal with CCP because of the Fanfest 2014 fiasco. It would cost CCP money to provide a client update, now, along with the normal Sony Q&A stuff. Its not gonna happen. Just drop it. well if this is true, and while I can understand ccp not telling us this, rattati should not have said it was possible.... it's just more of the same ccp BS that put them in this position in the first place...
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 615	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:53:00 - [24] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server. Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions. then how about giving them x1 extra grenade? so if another suit would have 2 locus, the assault gets 3 do to a x1 bonus to nade capacity.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2369	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:55:00 - [25] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server. Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions. then how about giving them x1 extra grenade? so if another suit would have 2 locus, the assault gets 3 do to a x1 bonus to nade capacity. I'd actually give them +2 personally, not per level mind you, just +2 flat bonus. Give them Damage bonuses and suddenly your Assault suit has its own little niche of AV with AV Grenades, it would be sweet. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 615	Posted - 2014.07.16 23:57:00 - [26] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server. Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions. then how about giving them x1 extra grenade? so if another suit would have 2 locus, the assault gets 3 do to a x1 bonus to nade capacity. I'd actually give them +2 personally, not per level mind you, just +2 flat bonus. Give them Damage bonuses and suddenly your Assault suit has its own little niche of AV with AV Grenades, it would be sweet. I edited the thread and changed the name. to reflect this idea.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4395	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:06:00 - [27] - Quote Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 615	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:10:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades. thank you for the reply, I appreciate you considering this, I realize this alone doesn't fix the assault but it seems like giving them a unique fitting option like this is a good start.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 1021	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:15:00 - [29] - Quote It's fair that I point out, I hate DUST's way of doing things, but it doesn't seem like that will change in DUST's (Legion's?) future. Having said that... What about a new role bonused medium suit specializing in explosive (grenades, remote explosive, possibly some other application). It could be limited to a light weapon and have some combination of more than one grenade slot, 1 or more equipment slots for remotes, bonuses to capacity, damage, radius, fitting reqs, etc DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2370	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:27:00 - [30] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades. thank you for the reply, I appreciate you considering this, I realize this alone doesn't fix the assault but it seems like giving them a unique fitting option like this is a good start. I figured give Assaults a Grenade bonus and give Logistics a Remote/Proximity mine bonus. Gives some unique capabilities to each to match the Direct/Indirect (respectfully) means of combating infantry and vehicles. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1

Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Dark Taboo 477	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:29:00 - [31] - Quote This is a good idea. P.s. Not sarcastic.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15941	Posted - 2014.07.17 00:57:00 - [32] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: It's fair that I point out, I hate DUST's way of doing things, but it doesn't seem like that will change in DUST's (Legion's?) future. Having said that... What about a new role bonused medium suit specializing in explosive (grenades, remote explosive, possibly some other application). It could be limited to a light weapon and have some combination of more than one grenade slot, 1 or more equipment slots for remotes, bonuses to capacity, damage, radius, fitting reqs, etc Legion has plenty of different things going on for it. The balance for it is drastically different because it has to encompass game play outside of pvp lobby work. Also in tis current state UI is less of an issue and more of an afterthought after the devs get done toying around with toys. IE Assaults have 2 lights in legion which is the source of the constant CCP Rattata saying no because to make it work seems to be not as straight forward as assignment of switches. There are things in legion that dust players want and unfortunately not all things can be done. Another clear case example don't ask for low orbit deployment beacons; they're not going to work for Dust 514 because you have no way of controlling your LZ. where as folks in legion will likely have that ability. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 648	Posted - 2014.07.17 01:02:00 - [33] - Quote IWS: quick question, if you're allowed to comment: is Legion any closer to green light status? I ask because your comment makes it sounds almost certain and, honestly, Legion can go die in fire alongside Rouge. Alt of Halla Murr.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11070	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:21:00 - [34] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: It's fair that I point out, I hate DUST's way of doing things, but it doesn't seem like that will change in DUST's (Legion's?) future. Having said that... What about a new role bonused medium suit specializing in explosive (grenades, remote explosive, possibly some other application). It could be limited to a light weapon and have some combination of more than one grenade slot, 1 or more equipment slots for remotes, bonuses to capacity, damage, radius, fitting reqs, etc Legion has plenty of different things going on for it. The balance for it is drastically different because it has to encompass game play outside of pvp lobby work. Also in tis current state UI is less of an issue and more of an afterthought after the devs get done toying around with toys. IE Assaults have 2 lights in legion which is the source of the constant CCP Rattata saying no because to make it work seems to be not as straight forward as assignment of switches. There are things in legion that dust players want and unfortunately not all things can be done. Another clear case example don't ask for low orbit deployment beacons; they're not going to work for Dust 514 because you have no way of controlling your LZ. where as folks in legion will likely have that ability. Another example of things that may not happen in dust but are happening in legion. Legion is getting full teiricide. The concept of proto-advanced-basic is dead there. Dust 514 is highly unfeasible to ask CCP Rattati's team to deliver in a timely manner. Why wouldn't two light weapons in DUST work for the Assault? It seems to make sense for me. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:27:00 - [35] - Quote [/quote]Why wouldn't two light weapons in DUST work for the Assault? It seems to make sense for me.[/quote] BECAUSE THE COMMANDO HAS TWO LIGHT WEAPONS!!!! From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 320	Posted - 2014.07.17 02:44:00 - [36] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: It's fair that I point out, I hate DUST's way of doing things, but it doesn't seem like that will change in DUST's (Legion's?) future. Having said that... What about a new role bonused medium suit specializing in explosive (grenades, remote explosive, possibly some other application). It could be limited to a light weapon and have some combination of more than one grenade slot, 1 or more equipment slots for remotes, bonuses to capacity, damage, radius, fitting reqs, etc Legion has plenty of different things going on for it. The balance for it is drastically different because it has to encompass game play outside of pvp lobby work. Also in tis current state UI is less of an issue and more of an afterthought after the devs get done toying around with toys. IE Assaults have 2 lights in legion which is the source of the constant CCP Rattata saying no because to make it work seems to be not as straight forward as assignment of switches. There are things in legion that dust players want and unfortunately not all things can be done. Another clear case example don't ask for low orbit deployment beacons; they're not going to work for Dust 514 because you have no way of controlling your LZ. where as folks in legion will likely have that ability. Another example of things that may not happen in dust but are happening in legion. Legion is getting full teiricide. The concept of proto-advanced-basic is dead there. Dust 514 is highly unfeasible to ask CCP Rattati's team to deliver in a timely manner. ...Doesn't your NDA forbid you from telling us this? I mean thank you though From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6332	Posted - 2014.07.17 04:27:00 - [37] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: It's fair that I point out, I hate DUST's way of doing things, but it doesn't seem like that will change in DUST's (Legion's?) future. Having said that... What about a new role bonused medium suit specializing in explosive (grenades, remote explosive, possibly some other application). It could be limited to a light weapon and have some combination of more than one grenade slot, 1 or more equipment slots for remotes, bonuses to capacity, damage, radius, fitting reqs, etc Legion has plenty of different things going on for it. The balance for it is drastically different because it has to encompass game play outside of pvp lobby work. Also in tis current state UI is less of an issue and more of an afterthought after the devs get done toying around with toys. IE Assaults have 2 lights in legion which is the source of the constant CCP Rattata saying no because to make it work seems to be not as straight forward as assignment of switches. There are things in legion that dust players want and unfortunately not all things can be done. Another clear case example don't ask for low orbit deployment beacons; they're not going to work for Dust 514 because you have no way of controlling your LZ. where as folks in legion will likely have that ability. Another example of things that may not happen in dust but are happening in legion. Legion is getting full teiricide. The concept of proto-advanced-basic is dead there. Dust 514 is highly unfeasible to ask CCP Rattati's team to deliver in a timely manner. ...Doesn't your NDA forbid you from telling us this? I mean thank you though This is all public knowledge, primarily from Fanfest. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Floyd20 Azizora Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2014.07.17 07:54:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades. Make the fitting bonus apply to grenade. Equals out the fitting bonus between logis and assaults better. more so if logis get a 3rd equipment at standard.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15967	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:19:00 - [39] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: IWS: quick question, if you're allowed to comment: is Legion any closer to green light status? I ask because your comment makes it sounds almost certain and, honestly, Legion can go die in fire alongside Rouge. I'll let CCP Rogue answer that. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 925	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:35:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades. no its a useless addition to proper assault players. assaults are supposed to be the heavy assault cruisers. they just need dps, speed, and tank buffs. gun, ammo, tank, kill = assault suit Don't vote for iron wolf saber. Vote for someone who will help the community i.e. anyone else.



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