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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:49:00 -
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:55:00 -
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You know I keep hearing this, but I've always wondered....how would this work? How would you select what grenade you want to throw?
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:10:00 -
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To echo Pokey:
Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:11:00 -
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I mean the idea of grenade bonuses, like damage, capacity, blast radius? Sounds good.
But I keep hearing people call for a second grenade slot and I'm just not seeing how to pull that off given the way grenades work in this game, so I'm just trying to be reasonable in regards to what can actually happen and will work.
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:13:00 -
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A second grenade slot isn't as important as other things.
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:15:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514
No double grenades
No double weapon assault
Not removing Commandos
I replied to a topic like this before, let's all remember these definitive answers.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:17:00 -
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Atiim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514
No double grenades
No double weapon assault
Not removing Commandos
I replied to a topic like this before, let's all remember these definitive answers.
Does anyone else love how snarky and openly annoyed Rattati gets? Its awesome.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:20:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:
Does anyone else love how snarky and openly annoyed Rattati gets? Its awesome.
Yeah, it's pretty funny too.
Kinda reminds me of my Uncle.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:22:00 -
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rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand...
less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit.
make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand...
less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit.
make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo...
Answer my question then, how would the game mechanic work for double grenades? How would you select which grenade to throw?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand...
less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit.
make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo...
The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change.
Which (as we all know), is currently not an option.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
614
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:To echo Pokey:
Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently.
add it to the equipment and gun wheel... |
Zindorak
CaUsE-4-CoNcErN
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:23:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Atiim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:DUST 514
No double grenades
No double weapon assault
Not removing Commandos
I replied to a topic like this before, let's all remember these definitive answers. Does anyone else love how snarky and openly annoyed Rattati gets? Its awesome.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:24:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand...
less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit.
make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... Answer my question then, how would the game mechanic work for double grenades? How would you select which grenade to throw?
lol.. was answering this as you posted this... |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:26:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:To echo Pokey:
Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently. add it to the equipment and gun wheel...
That's not a hotfixable change. The positions on the wheel are tied to the equipment and weapons. The grenade assets have zero connection to the wheel, and thus can't be swapped in like that. That means a client-side change would need to happen, and that cant happen.
Since Double grenade is physically not an options, lets have a discussion about other ways we can make Assaults good at using grenades. Id be all for a +% Damage and/or +% Blast Radius per level, as well as a +2 Carry Capacity flat bonus (not per level).
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand...
less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit.
make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change. Which (as we all know), is currently not an option.
see, to me this is like saying, to cure the patient we have to use a medicine we have arbitrarily chosen not to use, because reasons....
I have heard the thin argument of lots of stuff to do server side, we can do client but aren't because we don't want to make you have to re DL dust
there are sooooooooo many things that could be fixed and added... like a sell option in assets...that a client side update would be well worth it to everyone...
so why not an effing client side update now? for real? |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
614
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:30:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:To echo Pokey:
Pretty sure a second grenade slot would require a substantial UI rework, as you cannot select which grenade you wish to use currently. add it to the equipment and gun wheel... That's not a hotfixable change. The positions on the wheel are tied to the equipment and weapons. The grenade assets have zero connection to the wheel, and thus can't be swapped in like that. That means a client-side change would need to happen, and that cant happen. Since Double grenade is physically not an options, lets have a discussion about other ways we can make Assaults good at using grenades. Id be all for a +% Damage and/or +% Blast Radius per level, as well as a +2 Carry Capacity flat bonus (not per level).
it can happen, rattati has said it can happen, his reasoning for it not happening was to not burden us with re downloading dust... |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:33:00 -
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Lets be honest, the reason a client update wont happen is because its time consuming and expensive, and they don't have the resources to pull it off. Sorry to say but the ones making the calls when it comes to finances is CCP upper management, and they don't care if you get double grenades, they care that Dust doesn't spend too much money at this stage of the game.
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The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:34:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:You know I keep hearing this, but I've always wondered....how would this work? How would you select what grenade you want to throw?
I don't see why one couldn't use the weapon/equipment wheel.
Might need a client update though.
Edit: Just noticed someone mentioned it.
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Fizzer94
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:37:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Atiim wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand...
less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit.
make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change. Which (as we all know), is currently not an option. see, to me this is like saying, to cure the patient we have to use a medicine we have arbitrarily chosen not to use, because reasons.... I have heard the thin argument of lots of stuff to do server side, we can do client but aren't because we don't want to make you have to re DL dust there are sooooooooo many things that could be fixed and added... like a sell option in assets...that a client side update would be well worth it to everyone... so why not an effing client side update now? for real?
Because (if rumors are true) Sony dropped their deal with CCP because of the Fanfest 2014 fiasco. It would cost CCP money to provide a client update, now, along with the normal Sony Q&A stuff.
Its not gonna happen. Just drop it.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:45:00 -
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I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server.
Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions.
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:47:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:You know I keep hearing this, but I've always wondered....how would this work? How would you select what grenade you want to throw?
Makes perfect sense.
Scratch this idea.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:51:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Atiim wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:rattati is a fool for dismissing this out of hand...
less important than other things? of course.... I'm not an idiot... but it certainly would help define the assault suit.
make one an av nade slot... that would be a very cool feature for assaults imo... The main problem, (according to him) is that it would require a client-side change. Which (as we all know), is currently not an option. see, to me this is like saying, to cure the patient we have to use a medicine we have arbitrarily chosen not to use, because reasons.... I have heard the thin argument of lots of stuff to do server side, we can do client but aren't because we don't want to make you have to re DL dust there are sooooooooo many things that could be fixed and added... like a sell option in assets...that a client side update would be well worth it to everyone... so why not an effing client side update now? for real? Because (if rumors are true) Sony dropped their deal with CCP because of the Fanfest 2014 fiasco. It would cost CCP money to provide a client update, now, along with the normal Sony Q&A stuff. Its not gonna happen. Just drop it.
well if this is true, and while I can understand ccp not telling us this, rattati should not have said it was possible.... it's just more of the same ccp BS that put them in this position in the first place... |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:53:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server.
Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions.
then how about giving them x1 extra grenade? so if another suit would have 2 locus, the assault gets 3 do to a x1 bonus to nade capacity. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:55:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server.
Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions. then how about giving them x1 extra grenade? so if another suit would have 2 locus, the assault gets 3 do to a x1 bonus to nade capacity.
I'd actually give them +2 personally, not per level mind you, just +2 flat bonus.
Give them Damage bonuses and suddenly your Assault suit has its own little niche of AV with AV Grenades, it would be sweet.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:57:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I know there are a lot of things people want to do that would require a client update, but keep in mind there are plenty of things that can be done server side as well that will still make the game better. For example you may want double grenades to make Assaults good with grenades, I totally get that. While its not the same solution, we can still make Assaults good at grenades by giving them grenade bonuses, and that CAN be done through the server.
Similar outcome, much more convenient means to reach it. I love those kinds of solutions. then how about giving them x1 extra grenade? so if another suit would have 2 locus, the assault gets 3 do to a x1 bonus to nade capacity. I'd actually give them +2 personally, not per level mind you, just +2 flat bonus. Give them Damage bonuses and suddenly your Assault suit has its own little niche of AV with AV Grenades, it would be sweet.
I edited the thread and changed the name. to reflect this idea. |
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CCP Rattati
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:06:00 -
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Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades.
thank you for the reply, I appreciate you considering this, I realize this alone doesn't fix the assault but it seems like giving them a unique fitting option like this is a good start. |
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:15:00 -
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It's fair that I point out, I hate DUST's way of doing things, but it doesn't seem like that will change in DUST's (Legion's?) future. Having said that...
What about a new role bonused medium suit specializing in explosive (grenades, remote explosive, possibly some other application). It could be limited to a light weapon and have some combination of more than one grenade slot, 1 or more equipment slots for remotes, bonuses to capacity, damage, radius, fitting reqs, etc
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:27:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Maybe a grenade capacity bonus would be useful, but can't switch between 2 different grenades. thank you for the reply, I appreciate you considering this, I realize this alone doesn't fix the assault but it seems like giving them a unique fitting option like this is a good start.
I figured give Assaults a Grenade bonus and give Logistics a Remote/Proximity mine bonus. Gives some unique capabilities to each to match the Direct/Indirect (respectfully) means of combating infantry and vehicles.
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