because only scouts with how high they can jump and how fast they move can toss them as far as they do.

oh and no to the tanker crybabies in my thread jlavs are still not a problem

tossing remotes 10 meters is the problem.

Neither are RE spamming scouts.

because only scouts with how high they can jump and how fast they move can toss them as far as they do.

oh and no to the tanker crybabies in my thread jlavs are still not a problem

tossing remotes 10 meters is the problem.

But tossing remotes 10 meters is an "innovative tactic"! It's your fault you didn't kill the scout soon enough!

I can only believe an RE scout would make a post like this.... I have offered 20 mil to a scout in a PC match showing exactly what I describe.... but then again I cant imagine any scout would want to compromise their "I win" button...


no there is no time to react it is unavoidable when a brick tankes gal or super fast cal scout rushes in, jumps tosses the remote extremely far, doges or soaks up every round shout at him and then detonates the re....

I am not exaggerating... I've seen this happen... I have seen scouts attempt to do what I describe and fail horribly, yes... but a half decent scout can pull this off with success more than half the time, and there is nothing you can do to counter it.

as I have tried to make clear... it isn't just tossing a remote

it isn't just a scouts speed, or their ability to get close undetected, or their jumping

it is all of these combined a fast undetected scout jumping and tossing a remote up to 10 meters and being able to dodge 4 people shooting right at him is OP

the whole issue would be solved if remotes had a max 1 meter tossing distance

3 seconds gives even the slowest suits in the game the opportunity to move at least 9.39m.Even if the RE was placed directly on the feet of the Complex Plate Stacked Amarr Sentinel, at 9.39m you take no damage.

The vast majority of medium frames and light frames should easily be able to get completely out of the blast radius within 3 seconds. Even if it took them a second to react (which likely means that you were snuck up on), they could get out of the blast with no problem.
Even if it took the victim 2 while seconds to react, most suits would be able to get out of the blast radius, and the ones that couldn't would be far enough away and have enough HP to survive.

Keep in mind that I'm assuming the RE is a PRO RE. Any suit could get completely out of the blast radius of the STD and ADV ones.

....You come across both ignorant and unmoveable with this post.

Yes I'm an RE scout, no that's not all I do, to make assumptions about my playstyle, my motives, and my character without knowing or even engaging in a conversation with myself makes me think one of two things=

You are ignorant.

or

You're a troll.

If you did speak to me instead of brushing me off you'd have learned a few things on my opinion on the subject, including my multiple threads on the subject of balancing REs.

With your response I can only imagine you're either a troll or a fool, for multiple reasons.

I don't know you but that's all you're presenting here with your response.

Now=can we try this again?

I would like an increased arming time, or maybe that fluxes disarm the explosive without detonating; I don't like the way REs force a defensive position to be shifted around it until the RE can be safely disposed.

Aside from that though I'm of the opinion that REs vs infantry are mostly fine; when I die to them these days it's cos I did something silly.

im neither a troll or a fool... and I was right you are a scout... that aside, I did not mean to come off as brushing you off, I don't know of your threads. link them and I will read them...

I only meant to convey the bias a scout inherently feels, as any of us do about our personal playstyles... I am in favor of mechanics that reward skill instead of items you can get that lesson the players contribution to achieve what only players of great skill should be able to pull off...

I think a fast, low prfile high jumping scout, armed with one of the most powerful weapons in the game should have some serious drawbacks but tossing them as far as they can nullifies what I believe should be a remotes biggest drawback, its range.

Thank you.

And yes the REs throwing range is a bit far, for an explosive ment to destroy buildings we toss them pretty damn hard, but mind you it's there for a reason it's to make them somewhat more viable for non scouts as well as not having to be directly in the line of fire of hostiles. (presumably)

Now yes the REs are in need of a swat on the rear, however the scouts are and have been RE users due to thier speed, like the flux grenade and Mass driver they simply work together by playing on eachother's strength.

Let me ask about another scout problem: do you think so many would complain about the shotgun if we didn't have the ability to use them with cloaks? Answer honestly.

I'd say cut the toss range by a quarter personaly, more and you screw over non scouts.

I'll link the threads should I look for them.

I agree tossing remotes is an innovative tactic, one I use... I disagree with its lack of counter balance.

just tossing them in itself are fine but coupled with a scout who is fast, invisible, and can dodge a sqd firing at him at close range while jumping is unbalanced.

it's the most powerful weapon in the game, next to an orbital, it should also have some serious drawbacks... the Frisbee mechanic neutralizes one of the most important drawbacks, its range.

once you take into account a human reaction speed, the chaos of the fight ( mind you I am specifically talking PC here, not pubs, theres a lot more chatter and competition in a pc) and the scouts natural abilities making them extremely fast and almost invisible, 3 seconds is not enough... but I don't want to nerf the timers... I just want to reduce the tossing distance...

The issue isn't with Scouts, it's with the remotes themselves.

Longer delay between throwing and detonation will turn them from an offensive weapon into a defensive tactical tool. Remotes should be for setting traps and taking out enemies at choke points, not something you use as a means to kill someone in a head on encounter.

Sounds very much similar to a JLAV.

I said in a previous post how infantry have double standards. You defend the use of JLAVs (because they kill vehicles unfairly, not infantry), while trying to remove frisbee remotes (because they kill infantry unfairly).

In fact I see no difference between frisbee remotes and JLAVs. If someone can't kill a vehicle with conventional AV, they just use a JLAV to blow it up. Likewise, if someone can't kill some heavies with logi support holed up in a room, they use frisbee remotes to blow them all up.

Tossing distance hurts using REs versus tanks and LAVs - a lot.


So that's why timer increase is what you should get.

Just give the dam things a charge up time, like being forced to arm the thing for 3 seconds without sprinting or jumping before you can deploy it.
Or perhaps just make it so you can only deploy them while squatting.
Or here's a simpler concept; who the hell here has good aim when throwing anything while jumping during an olympic sprint? Just remove the ability to toss them while in the air.

It's stupid to say that a good remotely detonated explosive shouldn't kill everything within its blast radius, but the fact that a booby trap can be used as a hit and run weapon would be the equivalent of quickscoping a sniper rifle in this game. It just doesn't belong.