The issue isn't with Scouts, it's with the remotes themselves.

Longer delay between throwing and detonation will turn them from an offensive weapon into a defensive tactical tool. Remotes should be for setting traps and taking out enemies at choke points, not something you use as a means to kill someone in a head on encounter.

Longer delay will make it even more impossible to place more than one on a tank before they run.

How will it have any effect on this? The delay will be in detonation, not placement.

Indeed. And a longer detonation timer doesn't hinder different playstyles, unless you're a frisbee thrower that is. Remotes are still very useful is a ton of different situations.

Try this: Open your eyes, listen with your ears.

It has worked wonders for me.

Edit: But really, it you see someone drop remotes rush them.

we do... I'm not talking about scrubby scouts doing this to scrubby teams in scrubby pubs...

this crap is happening in PC with good teams who know how to play the game.

we hear them, we see the remotes but we don't see the scout until its to late because they are tossing them 5 to 10 meters the scouts don't show up on scans and move too fast and detonate them before seasoned vets can react. it isn't any one of these things that is the problem its all of these things working together that create the issue.

a scout flanks jumps toses and runs away and detonates all within 4 seconds... it is impossible to counter.

a seasoned PC squad can be killed by one scout doing this.... that should not happen.

again I will emphasize, there is no time to react to this, there is no way to get out of the way.

we do... I'm not talking about scrubby scouts doing this to scrubby teams in scrubby pubs...

this crap is happening in PC with good teams who know how to play the game.

we hear them, we see the remotes but we don't see the scout until its to late because they are tossing them 5 to 10 meters the scouts don't show up on scans and move too fast and detonate them before seasoned vets can react. it isn't any one of these things that is the problem its all of these things working together that create the issue.

a scout flanks jumps toses and runs away and detonates all within 4 seconds... it is impossible to counter.

a seasoned PC squad can be killed by one scout doing this.... that should not happen.

again I will emphasize, there is no time to react to this, there is no way to get out of the way.

but in a situation where a logi heavy combo is defending an objective, whats still to stop the scout from frisbeeing the remotes running away unnoticed and then detonating them?

with how far they can throw them they can still get in and out unseen and while the squad is busy fighting resistance a scout can still get in and cause just as much havoc with no counter to the tactic... but if you make the max distance say a meter then they would have to get much closer and risk being seen and killed.

low risk high reward is what you advocate right so this by your philosophy is legit so stop your bitching or advocate for high risk high reward.

This is that third thing I forgot about.

So yeah, this too.


Are JLAVs overpowered now?

I was using your flawed logic...

and BTW if your whole squad dies to a single scout chucking RE's you should re evaluate your skill.

Patrick said my alts are obvious.

Apparently not :)

Frisbee remotes have to go... heres why

there is simply no counter to them, scouts are already hard to detect with their profile damps and hard to shoot with their speed.
on top of this they can jump extremely high and throw a remote a good 5 to 10 meters out.

there is no way to counter this except by using the same tactic.... this is not balance.

right now with all the other bonuses scouts get, armed with a few remotes to Frisbee can decimate the other team.

1 SCOUT! can take out 2 heavies being repped by 2 logis with no more than 2 remotes that are thrown and ready to detonate before you even know they are there, and this is happening in PC matches!

a good team with good battle awareness who run well together can be wiped out by one cloaky scout flanking and dropping 2 remotes, and there is no defence against this.

there is no other class in the game that can single handedly wipe out an entire squad in 4 seconds....

now I am a huge fan of remotes and I use them often, but a damped fast scout throwing them 10 meters while running through machine gun fire and not even losing shields is waaaaaaaay OP....

I don't want to see my beloved remotes nerfed into oblivion, but if scouts aren't gonna change, then throwing remotes has to go

either that or do a serious overhaul on scouts....

This thread went from RE's being too good, to there is something wrong about scouts? Logis can throw out RE's, why assualts can as well, even commandos, why focus on scout?

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Really the only reason the OP is complaining at all is because his heavy crutch can still be killed

An increase to det would be welcome I would however like to say that the true counter to REs is indeed situational awareness and common sense.

A scout needs a minimum of 3 seconds to set off an RE if you see a scout tossing the RE either back up, kill him so he can't det it, or rush him, the blast radius for the RE is pathetic. And yes there IS time to react you're over exaggerating, fast yes, hardly unavoidable ESPECIALLY when throwing multiple.

If you can't pick up said scout then you and yours are at fault, there are counters to the scout, the callscout(soon to be Amarr) and the Gall logi, complaining about stealthy scouts whith no scanners is the same as complaining about tanks yet not using AV=you died because you were ill equipped. (or stupid.)

As for the frisbee thing, it's not just a scout problem, it's everyone with equipment.

Also: By meters do you mean actual meters or the patheticly tiny meters in game? Becaus I think I'd remember if I could toss an RE over 30 feet.....

P.S= sorry if I seem pissy slept 5 hours in 3 days and it's getting to me.

This thread went from RE's being too good, to there is something wrong about scouts? Logis can throw out RE's, why assualts can as well, even commandos, why focus on scout?

Just saw your "how to go positive for dummies" fit on protofits, I swear it is too true.

Oh and also, most armor heavies can survive a std RE blast to the face... with a good chunk of hp left...