Ydubbs, Arn't you too busy steamrolling faces in a tank to fret over a nerfed suit?

The fact that shared scanning can piggy back off of a caldari so that a squad of heavies can know the locations of all players but the most hidden squishy gallente scout, at which point the heavy can spin 360 using his HMG after any shotgun blast and kill the squishy galente no problem.

Sounds like imbalance to me.

It's about time that another dropsuit received a decent precision bonus. If knowing is half the battle, then cal scouts have had a ginormous advantage over every other suit in the game. Now they have some competition.

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The bonus is being given to the Amarr because it makes it a useful suit.

The cal scout will still be the best suit in the game for slaying.

The cal scout will still be the best suit in the game for slaying.

The fact that shared scanning can piggy back off of a caldari so that a squad of heavies can know the locations of all players but the most hidden squishy gallente scout, at which point the heavy can spin 360 using his HMG after any shotgun blast and kill the squishy galente no problem.

Sounds like imbalance to me.

The cal scout will still be the best suit in the game for slaying.

I think there's a lot of . . .
Giving precision to the Amarr is just lack of foresight. There are only so many possibilities on how it can work out.

A) you can give the suit a bonus like the Caldari currently have at 5% per level to which the suit doesn't have enough High Slots to act as a Scout hunter or you can give a much larger bonus, like 8% per level and for most of the time they won't need to run precision enhancers

B) You can give the suit a bonus to the efficacy of Precision Enhancer modules, that has 2 results. Either the bonus is so low, a Caldari scout will still have more precision or the bonus is 17% per level and with 2 modules the Amarr Scout will be able to do what the Caldari needed 4 modules to do before.

EWAR is a system that is all-or-nothing, this is either going to make the Amarr Scout useless, the Amarr Scout OP, or the Gallente Scout OP.

There just is no balance you can find with any set of numbers when you're giving a precision bonus to a suit with only 2 high slots

Not really.....the only decent thing about the suit will be shield regen. There is no clear advantage to caldari scout suits.

So the caldari scout is the only suit in the game that has shared scans? I think not. Moving the scans to a suit with more low ends will increase what can be scanned distance wise. Typical caldari scout build would have two precision, two extenders and maybe 1-2 range amps.

Then why are they rarer than hen's teeth in PC?

The only thing that the cal scout is best at is passive scanning -- which has little applicability except as a long distance flanker -- and even that advantage is about to evaporate after hotfix Charlie (i.e. the Amarr scout will have the same bonus).

The gal scout can also, through the use of his low slots, evade even the best cal scout's scans.

PCs are full of gal scouts and heavies...because they are really the best suits for slaying.

So the caldari scout is the only suit in the game that has shared scans? I think not. Moving the scans to a suit with more low ends will increase what can be scanned distance wise. Typical caldari scout build would have two precision, two extenders and maybe 1-2 range amps.

450+ shields, best shield delays, best regen rate, small hitbox, great cpu/pg, two equipments slots, second fastest suit, resistances against the most popular weapons (hmgs, combat rifles, rail rifles)

Caldari scout doesn't have any resistances to weapons.....you can't be this out of touch.

Typically, but not always.

Minja and Amarr can't hide from a fully precisioned cal. Plus, I think as it stands they also have a range bonus. The combination of those 2 AND shared scans is insane. It is a problem.

Cal had to take a hit in order for Minmatar and Amarr to have a purpose.

Shields do, and caldari have the most shields

I wish for scouts the primary skill was for the module itself not the incorporated in the suit itself. Let Caldari keep precision..then they HAVE to use the precision module keeping their tank low, same will Gal their main tank will be kept low, Amarr with range...but it might be a bad idea cause that causes problems with the minnie cause they have no tank...

your joking right? please tell me your joking. Literally all the best slayers use the cal scout

your joking right? please tell me your joking. Literally all the best slayers use the cal scout

Shields do, and caldari have the most shields

No, I'm not joking.

Just like I said -- the only people I've seen using cal scouts successfully in PCs are using them to provide passive scanning, or running the edges and killing at range (which limits their effectiveness to the squad/team). Most of the PC battles happen in the cities, where gal scouts and heavies rule, and most of the battles on the outside are a combination of vehicles and gal scouts (or a few heavies depending on the socket).

Who are "all the best slayers in the game"?

The best scouts I know and face in PCs all run the same suit -- gal scout.

The rest that top the leaderboard in PCs in terms of kills are heavies.

Cal scouts (like me) aren't anywhere near those two groups in terms of kills.

Who do you PC for?

yeah.... leadfoot, I kinda just posted my slayer suit on skype. It's a shield-tanked Cal-Scout with the Allotek AR

Until/Unless The Assault Suits get a bonus that doesn't limit them to just 1 weapon the Cal Scout will be better than a Cal Assault that only gets a bonus to Rail Rifle

Do I really need to start listing people?

My point is the caldari scout will still be a strong suit after the change. It will also have the longest scan range of any suit.

Agreed, but the assault suit is even rarer than a slaying cal scout in PCs.

When was the last time you saw someone top leaderboard in kills with a cal scout suit in a PC?

I cannot think of a single instance, but perhaps you guys and gals are seeing something I'm not.

It will be as good a suit as any other but not more. And lol at the "longest scan range" when you can't pick them up anyway. Not to mention, the cal scouts already have that bonus so there is nothing new being given.

Agreed, but the assault suit is even rarer than a slaying cal scout in PCs.

When was the last time you saw someone top leaderboard in kills with a cal scout suit in a PC?

I cannot think of a single instance, but perhaps you guys and gals are seeing something I'm not.

Giving this bonus to the amarr changes what? The caldari suit is not even the problem....there are counters to it. It's the Gallente scout that there is no answer for.

There is nothing OP about the cal scout suit. It's supposed to regen faster because it's caldari. Aside from shield regen...what is the advantage? Precision bonus may be the only thing....but now that same bonus is moved to another suit....so what is being fixed or changed or balanced?

I think ccp will be changing it from 3% to 5%.

In 90% of pcs I do either espeon or xD3struction tops the leaderboard in kills. Both use the caldari scout.

I don't recall what suit Espeon runs.

I thought xD3 was gal.

They are both quality scouts, though, no doubt.

I play with them everyday. They both use the cal scout. Along with zatara, ydubbs, dwater, regnyum, king kobrah, rexero and more. I could literally go on and on.

I have 6 proto suits....I use any of them at any given time.

I play with them everyday. They both use the cal scout. Along with zatara, ydubbs, dwater, regnyum, king kobrah, rexero and more. I could literally go on and on.

In 90% of pcs I do either espeon or xD3struction tops the leaderboard in kills. Both use the caldari scout.

The bonus is being given to the Amarr because it makes it a useful suit.

Caldari scout doesn't have any resistances to weapons.....you can't be this out of touch.

That's a very poor reason. Instead of nerfing one suit, try a buff to the Amarr. I don't use the Amarr, so I honestly don't know if its as truly bad as people say. On paper and actually practicality and use in game are different

Well technically it has a 5% resistance to Projectile Weapons, a 10% resistance to Railgun Weapons, and a 20% resistance to Explosive Weapons.

Though every suit in the game with at least 1HP of shields has that, so it's a moot point.

technically, it's not the suit..but shields. I know guys that use just as much armor that they have with shields on a cal suit. If you have 250hp of shields and 250hp of armor, you are in the same boat as every other suit out there.

Espeon has done this like always..

Since like when he first got into PC, he has been dominating it.

When the suits get changed and get tweaked the entire way the suits actually play does to. These players look for suits that facilitate the type of game they like to play.. Or the type of game that puts their skills and personal ability at the best performance.

Caldari scout fits that running and gunning multi functional role that the Caldari Assault did in Chromosome, then Caldari Logi in Uprising 1.0-1.4, Then back to Assault, then Logi, then now Scout. When you nerf the scout they will jump back into the Assault.

You can nerf and buff because of the top players performing well.. But they will do it regardless of what you do. It's better to just take a group of them and get them to play each other while recording and then ASK THOSE GUYS. Not the noobs. or people that complain about stuff they don't understand...

This is what every FPS game developer with aspirations for a competitive player base does, when actually testing their product for it's max potential... Go to their top players and develop an exorcise in which they can measure the balance of their game and develop questionnaires, and Q&A sessions that help them gain vital knowledge and educated from accomplished players on how to fix and tweak it.

Instead we got such a rough kinda half thrown together system of balancing it's kinda like what the Developer and 400 people "Feel" rather then stuff based on every day occurrences that competitive gameplay in DUST 514 gets shaped around.

It's created a development atmosphere in DUST 514 that is strictly "reactionary" rather then pro active in anyway. Which is largely why development schedules where so disappointing, hotfixes and rolling balance tweaks where just so unorganized, unplanned and mis-managed as in no real managerial systems in place for dealing with or implementing it.

And then we are left with the mess Rattati is trying to make sense of.. and he has done about all the light handed not rocking the boat patches he could with the last two.. The next couple are bound to make some waves..

Interesting times.

So the caldari scout is the only suit in the game that has shared scans? I think not. Moving the scans to a suit with more low ends will increase what can be scanned distance wise. Typical caldari scout build would have two precision, two extenders and maybe 1-2 range amps.

So, it isn't for nerfing cal scouts but more for balancing out the roles of the suits?

It's so true.....there is no balance with these precision and profile dampening bonuses. They should just remove them all.

They should give the bonus to the modules instead of the suit itself...good point.

Then why are they rarer than hen's teeth in PC?

The only thing that the cal scout is best at is passive scanning -- which has little applicability in the slaying department except as a long distance flanker -- and even that advantage is about to evaporate after hotfix Charlie (i.e. the Amarr scout will have the same bonus).

The gal scout can also, through the use of his low slots, evade even the best cal scout's scans.

PCs are full of gal scouts and heavies...because they are really the best suits for slaying.

Coming from an Amarr scout, yes the bonus needs to be range amplification instead. The only problem I've had with Proto Cal scouts is that I was in a advance suit. Maybe nerf Cals precision so it can't scan gallente scouts but to do that you'd have to sacrifice all slots or three with a advance clack and then make scanners be able to catch gal scouts for 10 seconds.




It's how I'd fix things

It's about time that another dropsuit received a decent precision bonus. If knowing is half the battle, then cal scouts have had a ginormous advantage over every other suit in the game. Now they have some competition.

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About galscouts being able to dodge all scans, it's bad in any shooter to have constant info on where someone is so having suits that can stay hidden isn't as bad as a scan that can't be dodged.

The problem is that the profile is always a fixed number and things like shooting, sprinting, and standing still don't come in to play. A crouching sniper in a medium frame should be as hard to detect as a scout until he shoots his loud rifle. It makes stealth rely on player choice in battle and not just a number tied to a suit. I think that might eventually make it into dust.