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Arcturis Vanguard
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.06.27 01:38:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ok It obliterates every suit witnout effort or isk. Man go back to my little pony world... It obliterates every suit without effort or isk within 40m range. Like it suppose to be. You mean 90% of the map?
Are you serious about this statement???? 90% of the maps are cqc...? Troll post
Amarr Heavy V
Amarr Assault V
Caldari Scout V
Caldari logistic IV
Prof V HMG & FORGE
Prof IV CR, SMG
Prof III ScR
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Kurai Ronin
Very Dangerous F'kn People
1
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Posted - 2014.06.28 02:00:00 -
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Markul Gartel wrote:The heavy is so overpowerd no they aren't and I don't use heavies its just that I easily kill them. just use a flux an armor destroying weapon and you're fine |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
1698
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Posted - 2014.06.28 03:47:00 -
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Been back for like a week and only going to be around for a couple more days this time around. Can run scout/sent/logi and spamming proto suits solo in doms for a couple hours was fun. So thoughts so far...
as far as infantry vs infantry? **** seems to be pretty balanced to be honest. shields suck ass but that must be the pendulum still stuck from the ck.0 logi era. it seems to be a higher DPS game in general than when i left in november. might just be me though.
HMG sent gets wtfpwned at ranged standoffs or against MORE sents unless your opponents suck. if i come around a corner on you and three friends in militia gear then yeah... i will curb stomp you in 2 seconds flat. but the fact is... you LET that happen. i'm slow, can't carry a scanner and have a fat ass sig radius. in my limited recent experience the only light weapon that doesn't have a range sweetspot against the HMG is the shotgun. and those things'll still take me out in less than a clip if it's a jumpy scout on my ass.
spend most of my time in a scout with a tac AR or CR trying to solo squads to be honest. just more fun being mobile these days. tried out an aur ck.0 logi and LOL suit is so hamstrung lol. but i dirgress.
it's a tradeoff thing. and very map dependent unless you don't know wtf you're doing. SP has been ticking for 16 months+ for those who have been around since the beginning. if you can't play more than one role to the point that you ***** about the rock smacking your scissors...
play better? get space rich? get gud?
/shrug
GLHF.
"Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."
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Thurak1
Psygod9
792
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Posted - 2014.06.28 03:50:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Please nerf this crutch. It's so freking annyoing getting vaporized in a second in a 800 ehp suit that cost 200k isk to a freking militia heavy with republic HMG. Like wtf? It kills so fast there is no time to react.
HMG + 1900 ehp heavy+ 1 logi= 16 assaults.
this game literally want to squeeze the head of and kill the guy that uses HMGS,
Who the fk thought it was a good idea to give the most OP gun in the game to the highest HP suit in the game and then give them resistances.
ALSO- fk the "fight em at range" theory, just CUZ an assault rifle can OUT DPS them, guess who has 5X the HP I do!!!! Also, it takes almost all of a clip to kill a freking tanked heavy. It''s ludicrous.
Im not saying nerf the Heavy suit (It's fine) but nerf the HMG... This gun is the most OP gun since the freking Tac AR crisis and probably more OP than Flaylock god times and Tac Ar times. Lol newb get good. if you cant take out a hmg you are doing it wrong. Heavies almost never have any sp in dampening and have a pretty high db sig to start with and they are sneaking up on you? dam man open those eyes. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
1698
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Posted - 2014.06.28 03:59:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Please nerf this crutch. It's so freking annyoing getting vaporized in a second in a 800 ehp suit that cost 200k isk to a freking militia heavy with republic HMG. Like wtf? It kills so fast there is no time to react.
HMG + 1900 ehp heavy+ 1 logi= 16 assaults.
this game literally want to squeeze the head of and kill the guy that uses HMGS,
Who the fk thought it was a good idea to give the most OP gun in the game to the highest HP suit in the game and then give them resistances.
ALSO- fk the "fight em at range" theory, just CUZ an assault rifle can OUT DPS them, guess who has 5X the HP I do!!!! Also, it takes almost all of a clip to kill a freking tanked heavy. It''s ludicrous.
Im not saying nerf the Heavy suit (It's fine) but nerf the HMG... This gun is the most OP gun since the freking Tac AR crisis and probably more OP than Flaylock god times and Tac Ar times. Lol newb get good. if you cant take out a hmg you are doing it wrong. Heavies almost never have any sp in dampening and have a pretty high db sig to start with and they are sneaking up on you? dam man open those eyes. And I'll just add that comparison to TARs (i.e. current in-your-face HMG damage... at Range with no meaningful dispersion) or Godlocks ("aim? who aims? i let my 2 year old pull the trigger twice and 3 people die") is laughable.
"Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay it's price."
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
986
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Posted - 2014.06.28 04:02:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:True Adamance wrote:OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ok It obliterates every suit witnout effort or isk. Man go back to my little pony world... It obliterates every suit without effort or isk within 40m range. Like it suppose to be. Dude half the fictional girls cartoon characters from My Little Pony are harder than some members of this community..... its kind of pathetic. Harder?
As in their nonexistent cartoon horse-wieners are "harder" than the real wieners of some real people here.
Which has a lot more meaning than the bland but also possible meaning of "tougher"
Umm.... Anyway, buff assaults before [inappropriately] touching my HMG, lest I call CONCORD.
I am a minotaur.
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Thurak1
Psygod9
792
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Posted - 2014.06.28 06:47:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Thurak1 wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Please nerf this crutch. It's so freking annyoing getting vaporized in a second in a 800 ehp suit that cost 200k isk to a freking militia heavy with republic HMG. Like wtf? It kills so fast there is no time to react.
HMG + 1900 ehp heavy+ 1 logi= 16 assaults.
this game literally want to squeeze the head of and kill the guy that uses HMGS,
Who the fk thought it was a good idea to give the most OP gun in the game to the highest HP suit in the game and then give them resistances.
ALSO- fk the "fight em at range" theory, just CUZ an assault rifle can OUT DPS them, guess who has 5X the HP I do!!!! Also, it takes almost all of a clip to kill a freking tanked heavy. It''s ludicrous.
Im not saying nerf the Heavy suit (It's fine) but nerf the HMG... This gun is the most OP gun since the freking Tac AR crisis and probably more OP than Flaylock god times and Tac Ar times. Lol newb get good. if you cant take out a hmg you are doing it wrong. Heavies almost never have any sp in dampening and have a pretty high db sig to start with and they are sneaking up on you? dam man open those eyes. And I'll just add that comparison to TARs (i.e. current in-your-face HMG damage... at Range with no meaningful dispersion) or Godlocks ("aim? who aims? i let my 2 year old pull the trigger twice and 3 people die") is laughable. If you are engaging a heavy within his optimal range your going to have your face melted. Thats the trade off for a heavy otherwise they are simply stuck in a slow suit that makes them a giant target. If you are engaging a heavy at 40m or less you are the fool. If your engaging outside 40m you should have a good chance of beating them with most weapons. that lock thing is a thing of the past also btw and if the heavy doesnt have to aim you are not moving if your standing still up close to a heavy just lie down and lube yourself because we are going to give it to you rough.
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Xmar Handfelid
GERO TECH INC.
30
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Posted - 2014.06.28 08:50:00 -
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I've just tried out the boundless hmg from the loality store and put it on my proto ammar sentinel with a complex Heavy dm and got into domination game and I got 32 kills and 1 death. So yeah give me a reason why this gun has not been nerfed yet
"If you thought my vizsam lazer rifle wasn`t enough just look at my scrambler rifle on my commando." -Xmar Handfeild
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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad.
455
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:20:00 -
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How any mature FPS player thinks an HMG should be anything other than OP is beyond me. Go play skyrim or something. |
ugg reset
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
592
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:31:00 -
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why can't I stop laughing at this post?
Thr33 is the magic number.
no hope.
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The Lion ElJonson
1st Legion The Dark Angels
50
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:35:00 -
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The HMG is not over powered, its how you deal with them, i run away, best tactics and hasn't let me down yet, if you think you should be able to go toe to toe with a highly powerful chaingun spewing rounds and being held by a walking tank then it says it all,
Millions of isks worth of ships in space yet theres nothing quite like a face to face
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
New Age Empire.
1575
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Posted - 2014.06.28 12:26:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Ok It obliterates every suit witnout effort or isk. Man go back to my little pony world... It obliterates every suit without effort or isk within 40m range. Like it suppose to be. You mean 90% of the map? Are you serious about this statement???? 90% of the maps are cqc...? Troll post Let me rephrase that. 90% of the map that has objectives or anything important is cqc Gal research facility is an example.
Closed beta vet.
If bo burnham was on my little pony: friendship is magic
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
332
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Posted - 2014.06.28 13:39:00 -
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Xmar Handfelid wrote:I've just tried out the boundless hmg from the loality store and put it on my proto ammar sentinel with a complex Heavy dm and got into domination game and I got 32 kills and 1 death. So yeah give me a reason why this gun has not been nerfed yet What map? Who was on the opposing team? Who was on your team? Did you have a squad? Did the other team have squads? Did you have a logi? You're leaving out a lot of relevant information in your attempt to make a point. On most Dom maps the heavy/hmg will do good. Why? Because there is only one objective. Stay near it and you'll put up some good numbers.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2938
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Posted - 2014.06.28 21:06:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Hmmm a few things that don't add up. Anmol Singh wrote:Please nerf this crutch. It's so freking annyoing getting vaporized in a second in a 800 ehp suit that cost 200k isk to a freking militia heavy with republic HMG. Like wtf? It kills so fast there is no time to react.
HMG + 1900 ehp heavy+ 1 logi= 16 assaults. This is called TACTICS and TEAMWORK, these two are designed to be overpowered after all this is a team-based game.
this game literally want to squeeze the head of and kill the guy that uses HMGS,
Who the fk thought it was a good idea to give the most OP gun in the game to the highest HP suit in the game and then give them resistances. Didn't I use to say the same thing about tanks? So how does that work? Futhermore there are considerably more overpowered weapons such as the assault rail rifle, burst combat rifle, light missile turrets.
ALSO- fk the "fight em at range" theory, just CUZ an assault rifle can OUT DPS them, guess who has 5X the HP I do!!!! Also, it takes almost all of a clip to kill a freking tanked heavy. It''s ludicrous. You have less than 400 EHP?, please don't over exaggerate, if you do have less than 400 EHP, why are you gettimg spotted by a heavy?
Im not saying nerf the Heavy suit (It's fine) but nerf the HMG... This gun is the most OP gun since the freking Tac AR crisis and probably more OP than Flaylock god times and Tac Ar times. Once again you are over exaggerating, the shotgun is currently more popular than the HMG and the gallante, caldari and amarr scout suits have more than 45% of the market share, go figure. So I'll just casually leave this her, if you wamt to claim something as overpowered please back it up with evidence, for the case of the HMG there is none. 1.) It doesn't matter how much HP you have, HMG kills you in an instant. It makes all the difference if you are over exaggerating, do they or do they not have 5x your EHP?2.) Since when did swarming a room not become a tactic? If 16 people swarmed a room all wearing STD assaults, they will get obliterated by a STD heavy with STD HMG backed up by a logi. ( I am a heavy and can literally destroy the enemy team myself getting 30-40 kills in a match with ease using a STD amarr heavy) It depends which you think is more tactical, a group of people bungling into the same room at same time. Or 2 guys's who are actually working together to become greater than the sum of their parts.3.) Shotgun is nowhere near as popular as the HMG. You must be out of your mind dude. Ever match, the kill feed consists of 50 HMG kills. Circumstantial Evidence, can you reference this via market data or other available data? No, as i previously memtioned the shotgun sells more units than HMG's4.) HMG is OP, it's more powerful now than it has been in freking chromosome. Referenceable? Or is this just more hot air out your ***?Small missiles-whatever, at least it takes some skill to use an ADS. The HMG, you press r1 and do a 360 and you kill everybody in the room. Never see one being used by a poor tanker then?assault rail rifle- lol- what??? wtf? The last time I saw this in the killfeed was a long time ago. Assault combat rifle?? It's just a worse SMG. See what I mean circumstantial, you don't see them, I can't see anything else in the killfeed. The difference, I can actual reference data that shows the ARR is overpowered, secondly BURST Combat Rifle, learn to read! 5.) stop throwing random numbers at me. 45%, where the ef did that come from? your ass? Barley anyone uses caldari assault-minmatar scout-amarr scout- gallante assault- minmatar assault. All other suits in the game are frequently used. Heavies are probably more spammed than scouts just because of HMG. Come on now.. who can't resist the instakill death ray coupled with the highest HP suit in the game. The gallante scout were 18%, the caldari was 12% and the Amarr was 5% ish, this was refrencable from Dustthang.dk, unfortunately it doesn't show any data, however there is a market evaluation here on the forums if you wish to go looking.Fin... Indeed, game set and match to me, unless you actually want to back up your claims with numbers and facts instead of just opinion.Also- TTK a HMG heavy is like 6-8-9-10 seconds with a rifle, TTK a assault while using the HMG is about .5 seconds. If you are the in optimal ramge of the HMG then yes it will, at 35m however you can take em out with Scrambler Pistol if you so desire.I used the darn thing today and it's easier than the swarm launcher.
My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me!
Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
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Thurak1
Psygod9
795
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Posted - 2014.06.28 22:34:00 -
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Xmar Handfelid wrote:I've just tried out the boundless hmg from the loality store and put it on my proto ammar sentinel with a complex Heavy dm and got into domination game and I got 32 kills and 1 death. So yeah give me a reason why this gun has not been nerfed yet I can do the same with a cloaker scout using militia grade shotgun on a dragonfly suit. Your logic is flawed because applying your logic my dragonfly bp suit with crap cpu and crap pg nearly no hps and militia grade shotgun are OP by these standards. |
Slim Winning
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2014.06.28 22:35:00 -
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The Heavy/ HMG has always been a crutch. However, smart tactics will usually do in a heavy.
Step 1) KILL THE LOGI FIRST! No exceptions! Step 2) Run circles around the Heavy until its dead, dead, dead... |
Thurak1
Psygod9
795
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Posted - 2014.06.28 22:36:00 -
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The Lion ElJonson wrote:The HMG is not over powered, its how you deal with them, i run away, best tactics and hasn't let me down yet, if you think you should be able to go toe to toe with a highly powerful chaingun spewing rounds and being held by a walking tank then it says it all,
We have a smart player here people! Lol i will be wary of you on the BF. I bet you would be smart and take me out from afar with a rail rifle. Those things seem to just blow through my shields in seconds. |
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