DUST Search - wth happen to tanks?

Atiim wrote:

edguy 111 wrote:

after a week off i come back to try my new proto forge and guess what no tanks for about 4-5 rounds. after a while i finally see a madrugar and kill it in aboout 3-4 shot with my winmatar commando swarms (pro 4 + 5%Mod and 10% bonus) so a friend finally try a tank and found it has been nerf -_- what going on?

Other than an Armor Repairer HP/s nerf, vehicles were not nerfed in any condition, way, shape or form. The only reason why AV seems stronger is because they fixed a bug which prevented proficiency skills from applying to vehicles.

As for being able to 3- 4 shot a Madrugar, Swarm Launchers are Explosive Weapons, which are extremely effective against armored targets, yet equally weak against shielded targets. That's working as intended.

edguy 111 wrote:

i now able to solo any tank now...before the nerf it was not that easy but was able to solo many tanks but not a good tanker,a partner was needed but now...-_- Av was fine imo why those nerf?

Judging by your SP investments, I;m going to go on a limb and say that your a good AVer. With that in mind, I fail to see what the problem is with you being able to solo a good pilot.

There were no nerfs, just bugfixes.

edguy 111 wrote:

peoples complaining are not spec into av because commando min and swarms was already op before the patch.thank for ruining the game for me now im fully av spec but dont have a godamn tank to blow Evil

CCP fixed the bugs on their own volition, and AVers weren't the only ones complaining about Armor Repairer HP/s As I said earlier, you no longer have tanks to blow because most vehicles pilots are scrubs who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

This is simply the aftermath of players not having glitches and Passive Repairers to carry them 24/7.

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edguy 111 Quebec United 38	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:06:00 - [1] - Quote after a week off i come back to try my new proto forge and guess what no tanks for about 4-5 rounds. after a while i finally see a madrugar and kill it in aboout 3-4 shot with my winmatar commando swarms (pro 4 + 5%Mod and 10% bonus) so a friend finally try a tank and found it has been nerf -_- what going on? i now able to solo any tank now...before the nerf it was not that easy but was able to solo many tanks but not a good tanker,a partner was needed but now...-_- Av was fine imo why those nerf? peoples complaining are not spec into av because commando min and swarms was already op before the patch.thank for ruining the game for me now im fully av spec but dont have a godamn tank to blow waaaazzaaaaa!
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 705	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:07:00 - [2] - Quote perhaps you could blow your av partner instead?
edguy 111 Quebec United 38	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:26:00 - [3] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: perhaps you could blow your av partner instead? lol it on him i tried my forge XD in a faction waaaazzaaaaa!
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3743	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:42:00 - [4] - Quote It is actually very amusing to see a dedicated PRO AVer using the same arguments as tankers have been for years :) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 362	Posted - 2014.06.24 10:38:00 - [5] - Quote my god. did I just read this right..................an av user complaing he has no tanks to blow up..........ironic a little bit isn't it? then again I ahvent really seen a decline in tankers. just mlt tanks. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
H0riz0n Unlimit Nexus Balusa Horizon 57	Posted - 2014.06.24 10:43:00 - [6] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: my god. did I just read this right..................an av user complaing he has no tanks to blow up..........ironic a little bit isn't it? then again I ahvent really seen a decline in tankers. just mlt tanks. Totally agree Appena rilogghi ti metto quei cingoli come apparecchio per i denti. Cit.Von Shulz
Schecter 666 73	Posted - 2014.06.24 11:46:00 - [7] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: after a week off i come back to try my new proto forge and guess what no tanks for about 4-5 rounds. after a while i finally see a madrugar and kill it in aboout 3-4 shot with my winmatar commando swarms (pro 4 + 5%Mod and 10% bonus) so a friend finally try a tank and found it has been nerf -_- what going on? i now able to solo any tank now...before the nerf it was not that easy but was able to solo many tanks but not a good tanker,a partner was needed but now...-_- Av was fine imo why those nerf? peoples complaining are not spec into av because commando min and swarms was already op before the patch.thank for ruining the game for me now im fully av spec but dont have a godamn tank to blow Dude count your blessings please don't complain like thi
safura trotsky Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2014.06.24 11:59:00 - [8] - Quote This is what happens to the game when when forum scrubs do their thing.... Thanks for picking me up blueberry!...and again...and again...STAHP!!!
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1352	Posted - 2014.06.24 12:27:00 - [9] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: my god. did I just read this right..................an av user complaing he has no tanks to blow up..........ironic a little bit isn't it? then again I ahvent really seen a decline in tankers. just mlt tanks. Came out of a match yesterday with 4 tanks trolling around. I haven't seen a decline either. Though, they weren't Militia tanks... they were Maddy's and Gunny's with Militia junk on them. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2900	Posted - 2014.06.24 14:29:00 - [10] - Quote I have seen no decline in dedicated tankers, I have only seen 1) A decline in mlt tank, pubstomps 2) One team deploying 6 tanks straight out of the boxs 3) 1 tank literally sponging everything thrown at it 4) Idiot tankers who sit atop an objective 5) Higher volume of LAV's and ADS From what I conclude, K can happily say as a dedicated AVer and Assault Dropship pilot myself that, you are talking complete and utter codswallop. Tanks are no longer overpowered and all the idiots sho use tanks are still playing them like they are! Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!

edguy 111 Quebec United 40	Posted - 2014.06.26 06:51:00 - [11] - Quote i finally play enough this week to say that tank have diminished alot. and geez commando swarms is so op right now XD waaaazzaaaaa!
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9863	Posted - 2014.06.26 06:55:00 - [12] - Quote What's funny, is that other than an HP/s nerf on Armor Repairers, there were no nerfs to vehicles. This is just the result of proficiency skills actually applying and vehicles not being able to passively rep through damage as if it was nothing. The reason why you don't have a tank to blow, is because people can't spam them with no recourse and Large Turrets are no longer Anti-Infantry. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9864	Posted - 2014.06.26 07:07:00 - [13] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: after a week off i come back to try my new proto forge and guess what no tanks for about 4-5 rounds. after a while i finally see a madrugar and kill it in aboout 3-4 shot with my winmatar commando swarms (pro 4 + 5%Mod and 10% bonus) so a friend finally try a tank and found it has been nerf -_- what going on? Other than an Armor Repairer HP/s nerf, vehicles were not nerfed in any condition, way, shape or form. The only reason why AV seems stronger is because they fixed a bug which prevented proficiency skills from applying to vehicles. As for being able to 3- 4 shot a Madrugar, Swarm Launchers are Explosive Weapons, which are extremely effective against armored targets, yet equally weak against shielded targets. That's working as intended. edguy 111 wrote: i now able to solo any tank now...before the nerf it was not that easy but was able to solo many tanks but not a good tanker,a partner was needed but now...-_- Av was fine imo why those nerf? Judging by your SP investments, I;m going to go on a limb and say that your a good AVer. With that in mind, I fail to see what the problem is with you being able to solo a good pilot. There were no nerfs, just bugfixes. edguy 111 wrote: peoples complaining are not spec into av because commando min and swarms was already op before the patch.thank for ruining the game for me now im fully av spec but dont have a godamn tank to blow CCP fixed the bugs on their own volition, and AVers weren't the only ones complaining about Armor Repairer HP/s As I said earlier, you no longer have tanks to blow because most vehicles pilots are scrubs who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. This is simply the aftermath of players not having glitches and Passive Repairers to carry them 24/7. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
edguy 111 Quebec United 40	Posted - 2014.06.26 07:10:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: What's funny, is that other than an HP/s nerf on Armor Repairers, there were no nerfs to vehicles. This is just the result of proficiency skills actually applying and vehicles not being able to passively rep through damage as if it was nothing. The reason why you don't have a tank to blow, is because people can't spam them with no recourse and Large Turrets are no longer Anti-Infantry. i see,geez it a joke the turret nerf,i jump in from of them and kill them with almost no damage lol waaaazzaaaaa!
edguy 111 Quebec United 40	Posted - 2014.06.26 07:21:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: edguy 111 wrote: after a week off i come back to try my new proto forge and guess what no tanks for about 4-5 rounds. after a while i finally see a madrugar and kill it in aboout 3-4 shot with my winmatar commando swarms (pro 4 + 5%Mod and 10% bonus) so a friend finally try a tank and found it has been nerf -_- what going on? Other than an Armor Repairer HP/s nerf, vehicles were not nerfed in any condition, way, shape or form. The only reason why AV seems stronger is because they fixed a bug which prevented proficiency skills from applying to vehicles. As for being able to 3- 4 shot a Madrugar, Swarm Launchers are Explosive Weapons, which are extremely effective against armored targets, yet equally weak against shielded targets. That's working as intended. edguy 111 wrote: i now able to solo any tank now...before the nerf it was not that easy but was able to solo many tanks but not a good tanker,a partner was needed but now...-_- Av was fine imo why those nerf? Judging by your SP investments, I;m going to go on a limb and say that your a good AVer. With that in mind, I fail to see what the problem is with you being able to solo a good pilot. There were no nerfs, just bugfixes. edguy 111 wrote: peoples complaining are not spec into av because commando min and swarms was already op before the patch.thank for ruining the game for me now im fully av spec but dont have a godamn tank to blow CCP fixed the bugs on their own volition, and AVers weren't the only ones complaining about Armor Repairer HP/s As I said earlier, you no longer have tanks to blow because most vehicles pilots are scrubs who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. This is simply the aftermath of players not having glitches and Passive Repairers to carry them 24/7. the problem is, it not fair for the tanker if i can solo him what happen if just another guys have av weapons? the answer is,it pointless bringing another tank. i just love the satisfaction of destroying a nerd with a full jeep of forge and swarms experts lol waaaazzaaaaa!
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9864	Posted - 2014.06.26 07:29:00 - [16] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: i see,geez it a joke the turret nerf,i jump in from of them and kill them with almost no damage lol Which is good, because the Large Blaster was never supposed to be Anti-Infantry. Well, according to CCP that is: CCP Rattati wrote: Small Blaster ROF and dispersion were increased to make it easier to hit infantry, the intent was buff. How did Rail and dmg mod nerf change AV-Vehicle balance? The only change like Atiim says, PLC buff, AV grenade slight buff, two bugfixes and rep nerf. LB was never supposed to be anti-infantry. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1939	Posted - 2014.06.26 07:45:00 - [17] - Quote Try spending an entire match AV-ing 2 somas. It never works if they have any amount of brain power. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 847	Posted - 2014.06.26 09:02:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: What's funny, is that other than an HP/s nerf on Armor Repairers, there were no nerfs to vehicles. Yes there were... Blasters now cannot hit the broad side of a barn. Unless you have Proto blasters a MLT swarmer can stand in the road about 30m from your tank and fire away with impunity. You can't really shoot back anymore. Blaster tanks are all junk now. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust, theme
Izlare Lenix BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 728	Posted - 2014.06.26 11:15:00 - [19] - Quote Armor reps have been reduced, swarms and PC got a slight buff. So now it actually takes some skill to use tanks compared to the I win button they used to be. And we all know a large majority of tanker scum have very little skill. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Beld Errmon 1712	Posted - 2014.06.26 14:50:00 - [20] - Quote heh so much nonsense being peddled, but i guess i'll respond to the last bit. Blaster don't require more aim now if anything they require less, the thing they really require now is burst firing, yes a majority of toy tanker scum has stopped tanking because their unskilled tanks are no longer effective, something I can certainly live with, I stopped tanking the day any scrub could 3 shot my tank, now with the railgun nerf you can actually have a nice tank brawl that doesn't end in a few seconds*. (unless its a missile tank those are showing up more now since the rail nerf) Still they got it wrong with the armor repairer nerf, they should have made it so a vehicle can only fit one repairer and left the stats as they were, now multi rep vehicles are the only way to go, rather than being an exploity dickfit. Anyone that tanked before the build that made tanks stupidly OP knows how to live with AV this strong, the true tankers will return to the calling. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)

Atiim NoGameNoLife 9869	Posted - 2014.06.26 14:55:00 - [21] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: the problem is, it not fair for the tanker if i can solo him what happen if just another guys have av weapons? the answer is,it pointless bringing another tank. i just love the satisfaction of destroying a nerd with a full jeep of forge and swarms experts lol It's not entirely pointless. You can still utilize HAVs for on-board spawn systems and Infantry Suppression, not to mention that (albiet not as easy) it's still possible to solo AVers with an HAV. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
TEBOW BAGGINS Defenders of the Helghast Dream Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1061	Posted - 2014.06.26 15:09:00 - [22] - Quote the repping methana was the only lav worth a crap- got hit the hardest by nerf..now all lavs are equal = crap. dropship is still good if you've ever flown a harder build than last.. you just have to flyharder now again. easy mode was semi fun while it lasted ' but hotfix bravo is still not as hard for DS as when rails had near infinate range. if the AV is too hard then you aren't a real pilot or one of those who just thinks dropshipping is some solo endeavor to impress your buddies with. 1rst match post bravo went 7 kills my gunner gets 19, we had some other solo pilot in our squad who thought dropship meant erratically flying very close to me the entire match and trying to get me to go "oohh ahhh!" at his "skill" while scoring 1 kill. i hate other pilots, their boys clubs, and hope the AV overwhelms them. AKA Zirzo Valcyn
Beld Errmon 1712	Posted - 2014.06.26 16:02:00 - [23] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: we had some other solo pilot in our squad who thought dropship meant erratically flying very close to me the entire match and trying to get me to go "oohh ahhh!" at his "skill" while scoring 1 kill. i hate other pilots, their boys clubs, and hope the AV overwhelms them. Ah I call people like that "Fancy Fliers" they tend to only be able to do air to ground and will run at the slightest hint of trouble from another dropship, or will spend the entire match flying around in circles at high speed doing tricks like their ability to fly under some pipes somehow makes up for the complete lack of Anti-Air abilities, at the end of the day I will ram a Fancy flier, they **** me off to no end. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2934	Posted - 2014.06.26 17:20:00 - [24] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: the problem is, it not fair for the tanker if i can solo him what happen if just another guys have av weapons? the answer is,it pointless bringing another tank. i just love the satisfaction of destroying a nerd with a full jeep of forge and swarms experts lol Umm how about you bring along a:guy with a rifle? This why it's balanced previously we were in a rut where power was in state of 'linear escalation', that is to say there is a single straigt line representing force strength. Tanks were at the top end of that line, meaning nothing other than a tank was considered as strong or effecient as a tank. Now common practice under linear escalation terms is just to go straight to the top, skip out the actual escalation and brute force. This is referencable in dust by the amount of times the team vehicle quota consisted entirely of tanks. Now with what few chamges have been made AV can effectively do it it's job, in most cases a tank can still amd will do the same job better. But we now have circular escalation, which means somewhere along the line something at the top of the chain is weak to something at the bottom. What thos creates is an entirely different form of strategic play, because everything deployed has a counter, winning comes from knowing what power is available and knowing, when, how and where to deploy it! My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3052	Posted - 2014.06.26 17:29:00 - [25] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: the problem is, it not fair for the tanker if i can solo him what happen if just another guys have av weapons? the answer is,it pointless bringing another tank. i just love the satisfaction of destroying a nerd with a full jeep of forge and swarms experts lol The problem is its not fair for a heavy if I can solo him, what happens if another guy has a rifle? The answer is its pointless bringing a heavy Do you see the flaw in your argument yet?
Onesimus Tarsus NoGameNoLife 2162	Posted - 2014.06.26 17:57:00 - [26] - Quote It's an odd variation of the dialect sir, but I think I can translate it: "Please. Make. Tanks. OP. Again." Then it just trails off into a strange chant about kittens and cheese. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6205	Posted - 2014.06.26 18:00:00 - [27] - Quote CCP happened. This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
edguy 111 Quebec United 41	Posted - 2014.06.26 18:09:00 - [28] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: edguy 111 wrote: the problem is, it not fair for the tanker if i can solo him what happen if just another guys have av weapons? the answer is,it pointless bringing another tank. i just love the satisfaction of destroying a nerd with a full jeep of forge and swarms experts lol The problem is its not fair for a heavy if I can solo him, what happens if another guy has a rifle? The answer is its pointless bringing a heavy Do you see the flaw in your argument yet? lol heavy dont cost 300k waaaazzaaaaa!
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9879	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:35:00 - [29] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: lol heavy dont cost 300k Is this supposed to be a comparison to HAVs? If so, then the player using the Sentinel is far more likely to die (averaging about 2-4 deaths), than the player using an HAV (averaging 0-1 deaths). With that in mind, the end cost of the Sentinel can range from about 3-525k, while the HAV's end cost will range from 0-300k. So in a way, your correct. The Sentinel is higher than 300k. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11238	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:37:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: edguy 111 wrote: lol heavy dont cost 300k Is this supposed to be a comparison to HAVs? If so, then the player using the Sentinel is far more likely to die (averaging about 2-4 deaths), than the player using an HAV (averaging 0-1 deaths). With that in mind, the end cost of the Sentinel can range from about 3-525k, while the HAV's end cost will range from 0-300k. So in a way, your correct. The Sentinel is higher than 300k. I just have to think that with blaster dispersion, reduced reps and resistances..... if you are a bricked heavy with a Forge and you are dying to an HAV then you seriously suck. If Infantry is killing you...... thats not that HAVers problem nor was it caused by them. Likely you will still die in combat fits as you do trying to hang back and pick of tanks. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III



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