DUST Search - Scouts need a huge nerf!

NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

lol OMG you can't make this up!!

They are scouts! They are little suits, so of course they are going to be fast, have high stamina, and used to flank positions. That's what a scout does.

And the truth of the matter is, with or without a cloak, a scout will still drop you from behind. Anybody talking about cloaks being the problem of scouts sneaking up on them are usually really really poor at field awareness. I bet a Sentinel could sneak up on you with his fat self and drop you with a shotgun.

I would have to disagree. It is not that the cloak lets the scout sneak up behind me directly, its that a cloak allows a scout to move across the field uncontested where he otherwise may or may not have been seen by a fellow team mate with a rr, cr, scr, or laser. This allows the scout to get into the position behind you that he may not have otherwise been able to do. More over it allows the scout with a very powerful cqc weapon to move across vast open distances with no need for long range cover fire from supporting squad or teamates. I know, I have a Gal Proto scout, and a Cal scout, with proto cloaks. This allows the scout to not only do his job but get in positions to slay. I personally feel an overall change to the radar system would alleviate much of this as not being able to see which direction someone is facing would make this practice of cloak shotgun in the back much more difficult. That being said I promise im not poor at field awareness, I kill many more of them than they do me.

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Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 169	Posted - 2014.06.19 11:49:00 - [31] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Here's an interesting thought. Give all scout suits a built in basic cloak, and then remove the extra pg/CPU used to fit that basic cloak, along with the extra equipment slot. That's the crux of the problem: they can choose whether to be a scout or an assault/logi. I would prefer that they keep their extra equipment slot and lose some of there H/L slots so they can't choose to brick tank effectively. Commandos get reduced H/L slot count AND no grenade slot AND slower speed for two light weapons and extra HP. Commandos are built for a purpose, so you get less flexibility in your build and that's a good thing. Scouts should be the same: fit for purpose instead of capable of everything. The big advantage that medium suits should have is configuration versatility which would make the PG/CPU reduction on weapons make that much more sense.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9585	Posted - 2014.06.19 11:51:00 - [32] - Quote LIFE RIPPER wrote: Still a scout is gonna instance GiB a command in most situations except sniping or long range gunning. What the hell kind of bootleg Commando are you running? I'm in a Matari Commando and even I don't get OHK'd by them. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9585	Posted - 2014.06.19 12:00:00 - [33] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: That's the crux of the problem: they can choose whether to be a scout or an assault/logi. I would prefer that they keep their extra equipment slot and lose some of there H/L slots so they can't choose to brick tank effectively. The problem with removing slots is that you remove their e-WAR capabilities, which is supposed to be the strong suit of the Scouts & Light Frames. Not to mention, that it would have a negative effect on the already -comparatively- gimped Matari Scout. The real problem, is the eHP ceiling that the Amarr, Gallente, and Caldari Scouts can reach. Making HP modules yield % values or reducing their effect while being used on Scouts/Light Frames will fix that problem. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Dark Taboo 195	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:54:00 - [34] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Get rid of the Cloak, the extra equip, and give me back my old dampening bonus. It's bogus that I have to run 2x-3x Damp Min Scout just to survive in PC. I'd like to run some speed or hack, but I'm forced to run nothing but DAMP DAMP DAMP ^ Can't like enough do this and I'll be happy
Kira Takizawa uptown456 Dark Taboo 195	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:01:00 - [35] - Quote dreth longbow wrote: LIFE RIPPER wrote: They have huge built in speed advantages, stealth built in, 2 equipment slots allows them to compete in the logi realm. Use a shotgun with a cloak and you can sneak up on almost anyone. The scout is the best suit in the game way better than assaults or heavies. Get a life, I play scout, heavy, logi each has its +/- and now with more nerfing to scout equipment they are hindered again. If you can't scout with one equipment you are a sad scout.. just saying
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2065	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:19:00 - [36] - Quote 1) Stick to a group or defensible position 2) Don't part far from the herd 3) Get a CalScout or GaLLogi for your squad 4) Get a Heavy in your squad and stick close to him 5) Watch your back and know flanking routes The stealthiest Scouts tend to be the squishiest. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 532	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:25:00 - [37] - Quote the shotgun isn't even good, the only reason people think it is is because it can one shot starter fits....the shotgun is probably the most unreliable weapon in the game If anything, it needs a buff to hit detection People who whine about it are generally the same ones who crouch in a corner with a frontline suit. If you know how to strafe or fit a suit, the shotgun poses no problems. I spent about 2 hours today playing militia minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, and its literally so easy idk what to do with myself. I never got shotgunned ONCE. learn to strafe, and the shotgun will no longer bother you. Then you can whine about HMG's and rifles What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 532	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:26:00 - [38] - Quote I would recommend playing against decent players in a scout suit with a shotgun before you complain. What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8789	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:29:00 - [39] - Quote Here we go again. The endlessly stupid nerf/buff cycle starts all over again. When will it ever stop? Don't say it's when CCP gets their act together because I know for a fact that's not true. People will always demand nerfs and buffs even if a game is perfectly balanced. I have seen it in every forum of every game out there. This cycle is never going to end. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3279	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:37:00 - [40] - Quote LIFE RIPPER wrote: They have huge built in speed advantages, stealth built in, 2 equipment slots allows them to compete in the logi realm. Use a shotgun with a cloak and you can sneak up on almost anyone. The scout is the best suit in the game way better than assaults or heavies. Yeah thats why i see much more heavys then i see scouts. usually i see like 2-3 scouts max on a ambush match but on the other hand there are allways like 8 heavys present at any given time. And those benefits from a scout comes with the cost of the lowest amount of HP in the whole game. The only way to make it work is to flank cause every direct engagement is extremely risky.

Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 448	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:14:00 - [41] - Quote The cal scan radius and gal dampening nerf was a step in the wrong direction. They need to be more scouts and less assault grunts, i say. Meaning gathering intelligence, hacking speed, nova knife, perhaps even some and remotes/proxies bonus. Specialist recon stuff.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3074	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:58:00 - [42] - Quote I think people should hold off on the whole Scout nerf until after the Assault rework is complete. That being said I myself am a bit apprehensive because CCP and the community have trouble even definning the role. The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
David Mustane Commando Perkone Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:32:00 - [43] - Quote Scout are not assault suits, they are not logis, they are not heavies. They are a light suit, and as a light suit they shouldn't be doing half of what the game allows. A scout suit shouldn't allow so much equipment and high/low slots. They shouldn't be allowed to act as any other role or surpass any other heavier suit. (i.e med, logi, ect.) Scouts are pussies that refuse to fight head on, then again everyone that plays the game abuses an exploit of some kind. Nerf the **** out of scouts. Make them as usless as the AR and Mass Drivers.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 188	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:51:00 - [44] - Quote David Mustane wrote: Scout are not assault suits, they are not logis, they are not heavies. They are a light suit, and as a light suit they shouldn't be doing half of what the game allows. A scout suit shouldn't allow so much equipment and high/low slots. They shouldn't be allowed to act as any other role or surpass any other heavier suit. (i.e med, logi, ect.) Scouts are pussies that refuse to fight head on, then again everyone that plays the game abuses an exploit of some kind. Nerf the **** out of scouts. Make them as usless as the AR and Mass Drivers. Yet you seem to be complaining about the scouts that do fight head on. There is no reason that an equal cost suit should under perform another one if the player plays to its strengths and remembers its weaknesses. Scouts do not surpass Logi's for equipment quantity or quality. Logi's have at least 50% more equipment and have buffs to one type. Scouts do not get a bonus to equipment performance. So that is yet another factually inaccurate statement. What should a scout do in your world? Not drop uplinks? Not counter flanking? Not hack? Not provide intel? Sounds like all you want is a head to head fight were raw eHP and DPS rules and no tactics are required. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
NATAS RED Rough Riders.. Primus Federation 3	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:55:00 - [45] - Quote I'm a scout...! I don't run FTOM... nor shotty/cloak I whoop poor players ASes on a regular basis... using very basic tactics.... I laugh when I read these posts because the problem is not the suit. It's the player... all I can say is quit crying and get guud... P.s. watch you backs cause you never know where me and my pack will be lurking... E .· ` ' / ·. F Tear bucket filling quickly* They called him the "Ghost of Solomon"
Egonz4 362	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:03:00 - [46] - Quote LIFE RIPPER wrote: They have huge built in speed advantages, stealth built in, 2 equipment slots allows them to compete in the logi realm. Use a shotgun with a cloak and you can sneak up on almost anyone. The scout is the best suit in the game way better than assaults or heavies. Heck no!.....heavies are the most op suit.......they have a lot of HP...the nmg is best...plus scouts die a lot...and die easily....scouts kill a lo but they die a lot.....heavies kill a lot but don't die alot self proclaimed - Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 362	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:07:00 - [47] - Quote LIFE RIPPER wrote: dreth longbow wrote: LIFE RIPPER wrote: They have huge built in speed advantages, stealth built in, 2 equipment slots allows them to compete in the logi realm. Use a shotgun with a cloak and you can sneak up on almost anyone. The scout is the best suit in the game way better than assaults or heavies. Get a life, I play scout, heavy, logi each has its +/- and now with more nerfing to scout equipment they are hindered again. You just suck as a scout then. Cause mine is easy mode U obviously suck if you keep getting killed by the same type of fit.....fit some precision enhancers so u can see them coming or shut up........that's what makes dust dust self proclaimed - Master of The Flaylock
Michael Arck 4742	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:11:00 - [48] - Quote lol OMG you can't make this up!! They are scouts! They are little suits, so of course they are going to be fast, have high stamina, and used to flank positions. That's what a scout does. And the truth of the matter is, with or without a cloak, a scout will still drop you from behind. Anybody talking about cloaks being the problem of scouts sneaking up on them are usually really really poor at field awareness. I bet a Sentinel could sneak up on you with his fat self and drop you with a shotgun. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:14:00 - [49] - Quote LIFE RIPPER wrote: They have huge built in speed advantages, stealth built in, 2 equipment slots allows them to compete in the logi realm. Use a shotgun with a cloak and you can sneak up on almost anyone. The scout is the best suit in the game way better than assaults or heavies. I think scouts suits and the hmg both need a little bit of attention, but I dont feel that scouts are better than heavys, I can kill 4 or 5 scouts with a single clip of my mh82.
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:26:00 - [50] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: lol OMG you can't make this up!! They are scouts! They are little suits, so of course they are going to be fast, have high stamina, and used to flank positions. That's what a scout does. And the truth of the matter is, with or without a cloak, a scout will still drop you from behind. Anybody talking about cloaks being the problem of scouts sneaking up on them are usually really really poor at field awareness. I bet a Sentinel could sneak up on you with his fat self and drop you with a shotgun. I would have to disagree. It is not that the cloak lets the scout sneak up behind me directly, its that a cloak allows a scout to move across the field uncontested where he otherwise may or may not have been seen by a fellow team mate with a rr, cr, scr, or laser. This allows the scout to get into the position behind you that he may not have otherwise been able to do. More over it allows the scout with a very powerful cqc weapon to move across vast open distances with no need for long range cover fire from supporting squad or teamates. I know, I have a Gal Proto scout, and a Cal scout, with proto cloaks. This allows the scout to not only do his job but get in positions to slay. I personally feel an overall change to the radar system would alleviate much of this as not being able to see which direction someone is facing would make this practice of cloak shotgun in the back much more difficult. That being said I promise im not poor at field awareness, I kill many more of them than they do me.

Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1400	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:33:00 - [51] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Michael Arck wrote: lol OMG you can't make this up!! They are scouts! They are little suits, so of course they are going to be fast, have high stamina, and used to flank positions. That's what a scout does. And the truth of the matter is, with or without a cloak, a scout will still drop you from behind. Anybody talking about cloaks being the problem of scouts sneaking up on them are usually really really poor at field awareness. I bet a Sentinel could sneak up on you with his fat self and drop you with a shotgun. I would have to disagree. It is not that the cloak lets the scout sneak up behind me directly, its that a cloak allows a scout to move across the field uncontested where he otherwise may or may not have been seen by a fellow team mate with a rr, cr, scr, or laser. This allows the scout to get into the position behind you that he may not have otherwise been able to do. More over it allows the scout with a very powerful cqc weapon to move across vast open distances with no need for long range cover fire from supporting squad or teamates. I know, I have a Gal Proto scout, and a Cal scout, with proto cloaks. This allows the scout to not only do his job but get in positions to slay. I personally feel an overall change to the radar system would alleviate much of this as not being able to see which direction someone is facing would make this practice of cloak shotgun in the back much more difficult. That being said I promise im not poor at field awareness, I kill many more of them than they do me. Infiltrating enemy lines? Avoiding detection? Assassination from up close? That's pretty much the scout's job description imho. What's the problem? You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 3881	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:50:00 - [52] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Taylor Badasz wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: My solution: return vk.0 and vk.1 What are these? If you have to ask, you can't afford it. LOL I'm not resting in peace but rather wandering as a zombie in vengeance of no good reason
Michael Arck 4743	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:52:00 - [53] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Michael Arck wrote: lol OMG you can't make this up!! They are scouts! They are little suits, so of course they are going to be fast, have high stamina, and used to flank positions. That's what a scout does. And the truth of the matter is, with or without a cloak, a scout will still drop you from behind. Anybody talking about cloaks being the problem of scouts sneaking up on them are usually really really poor at field awareness. I bet a Sentinel could sneak up on you with his fat self and drop you with a shotgun. I would have to disagree. It is not that the cloak lets the scout sneak up behind me directly, its that a cloak allows a scout to move across the field uncontested where he otherwise may or may not have been seen by a fellow team mate with a rr, cr, scr, or laser. This allows the scout to get into the position behind you that he may not have otherwise been able to do. More over it allows the scout with a very powerful cqc weapon to move across vast open distances with no need for long range cover fire from supporting squad or teamates. I know, I have a Gal Proto scout, and a Cal scout, with proto cloaks. This allows the scout to not only do his job but get in positions to slay. I personally feel an overall change to the radar system would alleviate much of this as not being able to see which direction someone is facing would make this practice of cloak shotgun in the back much more difficult. That being said I promise im not poor at field awareness, I kill many more of them than they do me. Yea, its a cloak. I don't know about the guys you play with, but the guys I squad up with got eyes like cat compared to most. We are calling out scouts when we see them and letting you know if they are cloaked or not. And it doesn't matter if other people see them or not, long as my squad or myself are aware of our field, we are okay. I have a proto Cal scout myself. And I have stood in front of clueless people who are wondering why their reticule just went red. And they do nothing but just look at my cloaked scout as if its some anomaly. In short, I'm tired of this game being hacked because people absolutely refuse to better themselves in this game. We have turned this game into a babysitter's club. I don't know how many times I have adjusted, with little to no complaining, to a game that was adjusted due to people not adjusting and just purely complaining. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Yeeeuuuupppp 353	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:52:00 - [54] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Here's an interesting thought. Give all scout suits a built in basic cloak, and then remove the extra pg/CPU used to fit that basic cloak, along with the extra equipment slot. That's like maKing the game only have one weapon. You end up getting trapped using it... I personally think cloaks shouldn't have been added to the game, it removed the challenge from being a scout. Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.


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