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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:00:00 -
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i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp.
i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle?
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
2 basic plates
2 complex reppers
flux's
gek ar
syndicate smg
lai dai repper tool
kin12 injector
flux proto links.
i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit
ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn.
ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies..
ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them..
and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi
how are the other logi's doing?
my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp
ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days
i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at.
my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days
amar logi adv
exile ar syndicate smg
3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm
flux
2 plates
1 complex repper
core repper tool
stnd injector
adv flux 3 sec spawns
and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:03:00 -
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As a Matari Logistics I manage to reach about 4-6k WP if there are average or bad heavies in my squad.
Good heavies unfortunately don't get damaged as often, resulting in less HP to rep. 
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:As a Matari Logistics I manage to reach about 4-6k WP if there are average or bad heavies in my squad. Good heavies unfortunately don't get damaged as often, resulting in less HP to rep.
i ahave my heavies take dmg on purpose they know ive got they're back + if i tell a heavy to take that risk and lose him the suit ill buy him another
how much death r u accruing?
i mean it used to be that 7 k wp and higher payout was something u needed because logis died so much..but i ran 22/0 yesterday with my adv logi and got 7 k wp and like 600k isk thats insane |
richiesutie 2
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:11:00 -
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Quote: i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...
What do you mean you need to get a kill?
(sorry for the newb question)
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:12:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Atiim wrote:As a Matari Logistics I manage to reach about 4-6k WP if there are average or bad heavies in my squad. Good heavies unfortunately don't get damaged as often, resulting in less HP to rep. i ahave my heavies take dmg on purpose they know ive got they're back + if i tell a heavy to take that risk and lose him the suit ill buy him another how much death r u accruing? i mean it used to be that 7 k wp and higher payout was something u needed because logis died so much..but i ran 22/0 yesterday with my adv logi and got 7 k wp and like 600k isk thats insane
When I play with my Kaalakiota Injectors I usually get about 4 deaths, but otherwise I'm pretty careful and get about 1-2. (Usually resulting from Orbital Strikes).
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Medic 1879
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:13:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
 I hope that is a typo or I have missed something here when did the Amarr logi get 2 lights, anyway back to seriousness it is incredibly easy to get stupidly high amounts of WP as a logi without even firing your gun speaking as a logi I think we do need WP reducing but the problem is if say all WP for equipment is cut 50% it hurts us but we still get 3-4 pieces everyone else gets hurt just as much.
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Rizlax Yazzax
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:17:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:Quote: i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you... What do you mean you need to get a kill? (sorry for the newb question)
After you reach the support WP cap (reps/supply/spawns) if you kill someone it resets so you can carry on getting insane WP. At least that's how I've come to understand it. I main as a Logi and only just learned this today  |
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:18:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
I hope that is a typo or I have missed something here when did the Amarr logi get 2 lights, anyway back to seriousness it is incredibly easy to get stupidly high amounts of WP as a logi without even firing your gun speaking as a logi I think we do need WP reducing but the problem is if say all WP for equipment is cut 50% it hurts us but we still get 3-4 pieces everyone else gets hurt just as much.
um 2 light weapon dmg mods 1 sidearm dmg mod
and they already have wp limiting measure on logis i just think they should be lower..im not exactly sure at what point in w gain u have to stop and get 1 kill to continue your wp feed..but if you do nothing but logi eventually you will have to stop and get a kill or even just make contact with an enemy but its not often |
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:19:00 -
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Rizlax Yazzax wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Quote: i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you... What do you mean you need to get a kill? (sorry for the newb question) After you reach the support WP cap (reps/supply/spawns) if you kill someone it resets so you can carry on getting insane WP. At least that's how I've come to understand it. I main as a Logi and only just learned this today
yup thats how it works note u can also just engage you dont have to get a kill an assist will do omg its so hard to put 1 round into a guy getting tore up by your heavies. |
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:25:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
I hope that is a typo or I have missed something here when did the Amarr logi get 2 lights, anyway back to seriousness it is incredibly easy to get stupidly high amounts of WP as a logi without even firing your gun speaking as a logi I think we do need WP reducing but the problem is if say all WP for equipment is cut 50% it hurts us but we still get 3-4 pieces everyone else gets hurt just as much. um 2 light weapon dmg mods 1 sidearm dmg mod and they already have wp limiting measure on logis i just think they should be lower..im not exactly sure at what point in w gain u have to stop and get 1 kill to continue your wp feed..but if you do nothing but logi eventually you will have to stop and get a kill or even just make contact with an enemy but its not often
Oh yeah makes sense when you read it that way and never noticed that you need kills to keep your WP going before.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:50:00 -
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I come in the top 3 in very nearly every game I play and my deaths are relative to how efficient at killing the people on my team are. I more often come 1st or second though.
I run the minmatar logi so when I have to reload against competent players then its usually respawn time. When uprising came I went for the Amarr logi for the sidearm but with the latest respec I went back to the minmatar logi.
The Amarr logi was a beast and I had much fun with it, even when it only had 3 lows. That sidearm.
Dual flaylocks on that was some of the most op sht ever at one point with 3 equipment slots.
I think the wp is fine, its an incentive to actually play full support. If I feel like killing them I run heavy or assault.
All that time being a logi is x amount of kills you never got as well. Maybe some added kill based wp would help but nerfing logi payout is not cool.
I can't remember what this thread about is either as I'm high so I hope this is even on topic hahahahaha.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:54:00 -
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Rizlax Yazzax wrote:richiesutie 2 wrote:Quote: i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you... What do you mean you need to get a kill? (sorry for the newb question) After you reach the support WP cap (reps/supply/spawns) if you kill someone it resets so you can carry on getting insane WP. At least that's how I've come to understand it. I main as a Logi and only just learned this today
Actually not how it works at all.
The WP limit has 2 caps, 1 being a per minute limit and 1 being an overall cap that grows as the match goes on. Both of these caps have to be hit for your WP to be stopped so all you are seeing is your time away from support allowing the overall match limit to get far enough away from you that you do not catch up to it again.
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:55:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
I hope that is a typo or I have missed something here when did the Amarr logi get 2 lights, anyway back to seriousness it is incredibly easy to get stupidly high amounts of WP as a logi without even firing your gun speaking as a logi I think we do need WP reducing but the problem is if say all WP for equipment is cut 50% it hurts us but we still get 3-4 pieces everyone else gets hurt just as much. um 2 light weapon dmg mods 1 sidearm dmg mod and they already have wp limiting measure on logis i just think they should be lower..im not exactly sure at what point in w gain u have to stop and get 1 kill to continue your wp feed..but if you do nothing but logi eventually you will have to stop and get a kill or even just make contact with an enemy but its not often
Not often?.
Wtf kind of Logis are you talking about mate?.
You are running a logi that is clearly combat oriented as well. Not everyone runs that setup.
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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:01:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
I hope that is a typo or I have missed something here when did the Amarr logi get 2 lights, anyway back to seriousness it is incredibly easy to get stupidly high amounts of WP as a logi without even firing your gun speaking as a logi I think we do need WP reducing but the problem is if say all WP for equipment is cut 50% it hurts us but we still get 3-4 pieces everyone else gets hurt just as much. um 2 light weapon dmg mods 1 sidearm dmg mod and they already have wp limiting measure on logis i just think they should be lower..im not exactly sure at what point in w gain u have to stop and get 1 kill to continue your wp feed..but if you do nothing but logi eventually you will have to stop and get a kill or even just make contact with an enemy but its not often Not often?. Wtf kind of Logis are you talking about mate?. You are running a logi that is clearly combat oriented as well. Not everyone runs that setup.
i run my amar suits as a trueblood amar so yes it it battle oriented i guess what i was trying to figure out with this thread is..does the logi limiting measures limit the amar logi equally to the other logi's. as i say in this thread i dont feel impacted by the limiting measures. do you? |
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:06:00 -
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This again? If they would just buff assaults, then maybe assault players would get just as many by insta ganking everyone.
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deezy dabest
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:08:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:
i run my amar suits as a trueblood amar so yes it it battle oriented i guess what i was trying to figure out with this thread is..does the logi limiting measures limit the amar logi equally to the other logi's. as i say in this thread i dont feel impacted by the limiting measures. do you?
deezy dabest wrote:
The WP limit has 2 caps, 1 being a per minute limit and 1 being an overall cap that grows as the match goes on. Both of these caps have to be hit for your WP to be stopped so all you are seeing is your time away from support allowing the overall match limit to get far enough away from you that you do not catch up to it again.
The cap is not meant to be limiting to any legitimate playstyle. It is only there to stop exploitive point farming.
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:14:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
i run my amar suits as a trueblood amar so yes it it battle oriented i guess what i was trying to figure out with this thread is..does the logi limiting measures limit the amar logi equally to the other logi's. as i say in this thread i dont feel impacted by the limiting measures. do you?
deezy dabest wrote:
The WP limit has 2 caps, 1 being a per minute limit and 1 being an overall cap that grows as the match goes on. Both of these caps have to be hit for your WP to be stopped so all you are seeing is your time away from support allowing the overall match limit to get far enough away from you that you do not catch up to it again.
The cap is not meant to be limiting to any legitimate playstyle. It is only there to stop exploitive point farming.
hmm well i guess im justa great logi then and its not op..ima be trying to break 10k wp again.
do you know the specific numbers on these logi caps? im really curious because i seem to have been avoiding them entirely just through my normal logi playstyle
and yeah sometimes i drop logi altogether mid battle and call a tank or heavy and go ona small killing spree before i pull logi back out again as well |
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:22:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
i run my amar suits as a trueblood amar so yes it it battle oriented i guess what i was trying to figure out with this thread is..does the logi limiting measures limit the amar logi equally to the other logi's. as i say in this thread i dont feel impacted by the limiting measures. do you?
deezy dabest wrote:
The WP limit has 2 caps, 1 being a per minute limit and 1 being an overall cap that grows as the match goes on. Both of these caps have to be hit for your WP to be stopped so all you are seeing is your time away from support allowing the overall match limit to get far enough away from you that you do not catch up to it again.
The cap is not meant to be limiting to any legitimate playstyle. It is only there to stop exploitive point farming. hmm well i guess im justa great logi then and its not op..ima be trying to break 10k wp again. do you know the specific numbers on these logi caps? im really curious because i seem to have been avoiding them entirely just through my normal logi playstyle and yeah sometimes i drop logi altogether mid battle and call a tank or heavy and go ona small killing spree before i pull logi back out again as well
When the caps were first created the only numbers they would give were the 400 per minute cap (which I believe they later bumped to 450). They never gave out the pace at which the overall cap grew as it would have made it too easy for the people exploiting to simply stay under that cap.
I could not find it but the thread all of this was discussed was a thread reporting broken WP numbers as a bug when the system was first introduced a while back. I will keep looking for it and attempt to bump it just to see if maybe we can get updated values and possibly see if they should be tweaked back down just a little.
Also as far as I know these caps apply to all players but the only people that have a chance of hitting it legitimately are tankers, logis, and squad leaders.
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:23:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:This again? If they would just buff assaults, then maybe assault players would get just as many by insta ganking everyone.
tbh if they fixed assault there would be no reason to nerf heavies it very obvious |
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deezy dabest wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
i run my amar suits as a trueblood amar so yes it it battle oriented i guess what i was trying to figure out with this thread is..does the logi limiting measures limit the amar logi equally to the other logi's. as i say in this thread i dont feel impacted by the limiting measures. do you?
deezy dabest wrote:
The WP limit has 2 caps, 1 being a per minute limit and 1 being an overall cap that grows as the match goes on. Both of these caps have to be hit for your WP to be stopped so all you are seeing is your time away from support allowing the overall match limit to get far enough away from you that you do not catch up to it again.
The cap is not meant to be limiting to any legitimate playstyle. It is only there to stop exploitive point farming. hmm well i guess im justa great logi then and its not op..ima be trying to break 10k wp again. do you know the specific numbers on these logi caps? im really curious because i seem to have been avoiding them entirely just through my normal logi playstyle and yeah sometimes i drop logi altogether mid battle and call a tank or heavy and go ona small killing spree before i pull logi back out again as well When the caps were first created the only numbers they would give were the 400 per minute cap (which I believe they later bumped to 450). They never gave out the pace at which the overall cap grew as it would have made it too easy for the people exploiting to simply stay under that cap. I could not find it but the thread all of this was discussed was a thread reporting broken WP numbers as a bug when the system was first introduced a while back. I will keep looking for it and attempt to bump it just to see if maybe we can get updated values and possibly see if they should be tweaked back down just a little. Also as far as I know these caps apply to all players but the only people that have a chance of hitting it legitimately are tankers, logis, and squad leaders.
i think its because of how active i am with teamfiring..it has to be 450 per minute no fuckin way
i bet ive broken 1500 ina minute
i know i have
so a kill resets it no matter what?
like if im repping and i stop repping to kill someone whos ambushing the heavies or even just because they are to pressed..?..i mean even the way i play i have a hard time thinking im getting a kill every 450 wp..do assists reset it? i thought they did
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:28:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
I hope that is a typo or I have missed something here when did the Amarr logi get 2 lights, anyway back to seriousness it is incredibly easy to get stupidly high amounts of WP as a logi without even firing your gun speaking as a logi I think we do need WP reducing but the problem is if say all WP for equipment is cut 50% it hurts us but we still get 3-4 pieces everyone else gets hurt just as much. um 2 light weapon dmg mods 1 sidearm dmg mod and they already have wp limiting measure on logis i just think they should be lower..im not exactly sure at what point in w gain u have to stop and get 1 kill to continue your wp feed..but if you do nothing but logi eventually you will have to stop and get a kill or even just make contact with an enemy but its not often Not often?. Wtf kind of Logis are you talking about mate?. You are running a logi that is clearly combat oriented as well. Not everyone runs that setup. i run my amar suits as a trueblood amar so yes it it battle oriented i guess what i was trying to figure out with this thread is..does the logi limiting measures limit the amar logi equally to the other logi's. as i say in this thread i dont feel impacted by the limiting measures. do you?
I think the Amarr logi is fine, if you focussed purely on support and killed less people then you'd hit the cap a lot more often. The Amarr logi is really nice with that sidearm, it really does make a difference.
If I go 22/0 or anything like that then its usually from OBS or I'm not running logi.
And as minmatar, yes.
I logi the fk out of people so much that I hit that cap often. I run links, hives, injector and rep tool.
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:29:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:
i think its because of how active i am with teamfiring..it has to be 450 per minute no fuckin way
i bet ive broken 1500 ina minute
i know i have
Remember for a reduction to happen BOTH caps have to be reached. You could easily still do 1000-1500 in a minute without catching up to the match limit if it were more than a few minutes after the start of the match.
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:33:00 -
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like a good match with my amar logi looks like 22/4 5 -4 k wp 500k isk +
i dont focus purely on support because there isnt ever enough support needed to not give me time to also shoot my gun the only time my repper stays in my hand overly is ina really bad situation and even then im still pealing off laying link reviving downed nubs ..and shooting i dont rep heavies until they're shields are out..so until my team is hurting im shooting at what they're shooting at or bitchslapping some sneaky scout. do assists reset the wp cap? because if they do that explains it for me...im set to teamfire..i get assists off any kill not made by a unit im repping..if i have a gun in my hand a few of my bullets get into each body my squad puts down |
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:34:00 -
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oh yeah there is two caps huh thats makes allot of sense the amar logis get allot more wp in the initial rush because our specialty is links |
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:35:00 -
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the only difference if i was running the minnie logi techmeds is i would be running re's over links :p and would swap to my amar for those |
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Mortedeamor wrote:the only difference if i was running the minnie logi techmeds is i would be running re's over links :p and would swap to my amar for those
I'm too paranoid about no one else having links to run re's and this char is all minmatar.
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Yeah I run an amarr logi with a pile of active links and then an amarr with a rep tool and assault scrambler to really milk the points and I rarely run into the cap myself.
The thing to remember is the cap system is not there to nerf logis, it is there to stop exploits. At the time they were setting the caps they were determining it based off the top point players in the game and probably changed the caps based on those same criteria as we moved on, so I would not worry much on that. Just go get your points and make your money while half the people wonder how you even got paid that much.
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Posted - 2014.06.17 09:58:00 -
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Do you constantly go back to the supply depot to get more uplinks or do you just run around without uplinks after you've dropped them?
And who are you squadding with? I never get good heavies that can actually kill things.
Last question...do you play domination or skirmish?
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Posted - 2014.06.18 06:18:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Do you constantly go back to the supply depot to get more uplinks or do you just run around without uplinks after you've dropped them?
And who are you squadding with? I never get good heavies that can actually kill things.
Last question...do you play domination or skirmish?
skirmish mostly i hate dom ima circle around an shoot you in the back kinda girl..so i like having multiple points of contention.
i squad with whoever is in anime empire...and old friends...normally vets...im not picky about whos corp i run with...but i do tend to play with multi specced people.
i run a pretty standard logi run game...i lay links ina 3 link spam suit..if the opportunity calls for it i swapp to an avd amar logi to lay nanos as well. .(leaves my spawns at 3 secs) then i swap to my battle logi which only carries 1 uplink for application when we move to seize points after the initial burst i only swap to a link layer if the enemy takes down a majority of my initial links which generally takes a good deal of time.
once in the battle logi suit i follow my squad team firing everything they encounter unless repping is more needed..i will lay a link at every red objective we approach and i also side track to revive...the only time i swap out of the logi suit is if it absolutely needed. if i have good heavies and squad mates thats never needed. the only thing i get sidetracked doing allot is retaliation to tanks |
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My main issue is just finding good heavies that can actually get more than 20 kills in a match. I feel like every time I squad up with other heavies, I could do a much better job than they ever could.
So it's a channel called "anime empire"? I'll try joining that. I see corps with good heavies all the time and wish I could just be on the enemy team with them instead of with a bunch of randoms that don't know what they're doing.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:49:00 -
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minmitar logi is probably not only the best logi suit, but perhaps the best medium suit in the game...
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:51:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:minmitar logi is probably not only the best logi suit, but perhaps the best medium suit in the game...
and yes your amar suit is broke....
Your view is completely invalid like every post you make.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.06.18 14:06:00 -
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The only GÇ£issueGÇ¥ with the Amarr logi suit is that itGÇÖs the most viable one left due to the sidearm, and the bonus is better suited to WP gain: Faster uplinks get used more = more WP.
As we all know from Cross AtuGÇÖs threadnought, the reward for better equipment is otherwise essentially zero:
-The WP gain from nanohives and scanners is comparatively small to begin with.
-The better rep tool on a Min logi certainly improves survivability of the target, but other than that possibly yielding more guardian points, there is otherwise a disincentive to run a better rep too because theoretically you can get more from a lower tier one (i.e., one on a non-minmatar suit)
End result: You can make just as many WP using a scout suit to logi as you can any logi suit with the one exception.
Mostly though, your GÇ£problemGÇ¥ (lol) is twofold:
1)You are a scarce resource. There are very few of us logis left, and even fewer AAA ones. IGÇÖm not pretending to be in the latter category like the OP but I not infequently get obscene amounts of WP for little effort simply because I am the only person with uplinks. The other day I dropped 2 (expertly-placed, of course) uplinks in a 50 clone ambush and went like 2/2 with 1500 WP in 5 minutes because it was just a straight up brawl with both teams losing a lot of clones quickly GÇô my side won, if you are curious, my kills were vehicles.
2) I am absolutely not saying this to be a troll, but it does sound like you got a nice little farm set up there on the Gallente facility too. ThatGÇÖs always been a profitable map for a decent logi, especially if you have two good heavies and the other team foolishly just wonGÇÖt give up on the interior point. Or, when on that foolhardy team, using the GÇ£meat grinderGÇ¥ strategy you outlined. Happens to me all the time when I run solo in Amarr FW, and not just on that map. We lose and I go like 10/10 (no holding back when fighting for the Empire) but get 2000WP because all those scrubs getting killed need to respawn somewhere.
(Sometimes I almost feel bad for the blueberries. Then I remember that they are the reason I've only made it to level 5 standings despite months of meritorious service to the Empire.)
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2014.06.18 14:19:00 -
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If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up.
But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed.
Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.06.18 14:32:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up.
But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed.
Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak.
Will do.
I always run proto everything with a medium of regen and tank.
I will jump on you and res/rep you and die just so you can mow down the scum.
I barely ever make a profit but I use aurum to balance that out. I get a serious buzz from logi ing.
If it gets too hairy then I have my heavy or assault.
I'm on usually from around 8pm eve time and there's also a high chance I'll be squadded within seconds but if you join the channel. an 0uter.heaven. then you'll find loads of decent players.
Actually I think you are already in there lol.
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
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Posted - 2014.06.18 14:46:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:
-The better rep tool on a Min logi certainly improves survivability of the target, but other than that possibly yielding more guardian points, there is otherwise a disincentive to run a better rep tool because theoretically you can get more WP from a lower tier one (i.e., one on a non-minmatar suit)
You don't actually use Repair Tools do you? 
WP for Repair Tools is given based on how much HP you rep, not how long you've been repairing. Because of that, the faster your HP/s the faster your WP will be accumulated.
When you also consider the fact that the target survives longer with a better repair tool, you get more oppritunites to repair as well, which theoretically -and in most instances, literally- means, more WP.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:47:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:minmitar logi is probably not only the best logi suit, but perhaps the best medium suit in the game...
and yes your amar suit is broke....
In what way is it broken?
Do you mean the way it's missing a slot at proto?
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:10:00 -
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I don't think that's an overpowered output for a logi persay. I think its more a shining example of what a logi is capable of doing in a good team setting. In the end, teams win, period. I'm a min logi (tho I also have proto amarr logi). if I run logi solo, I do deplorable. Especially if my team is stacked, never dies and redlines the enemy quickly. If they are stacked and my team is basically splintered and not concentrating on any objective, same story. I'll actually duck out of my logi suits and start running starter/dragonfly scout.
However, great teams are what make my suit valuable. If I have good heavies on my team, I'm definitely at the top of the board. I don't see that as broken given how much I've invested to make my suit so. Not downplaying how much assault players also invest, but I have rarely played in a good team who loathed that I was also at the top of the board with them because I'm part of the team, communicating and supporting like I'm supposed to. My role is worthless without assaults/heavies.
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:14:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Rynoceros wrote:If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up.
But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed.
Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak. Will do. I always run proto everything with a medium of regen and tank. I will jump on you and res/rep you and die just so you can mow down the scum. I barely ever make a profit but I use aurum to balance that out. I get a serious buzz from logi ing. If it gets too hairy then I have my heavy or assault. I'm on usually from around 8pm eve time and there's also a high chance I'll be squadded within seconds but if you join the channel. an 0uter.heaven. then you'll find loads of decent players. Actually I think you are already in there lol.
Here, here. When I see an obvious bottleneck happening, I actually change suits and run across the map to lay uplinks. Nothing worse than having blue without boot down options. If I see you in game, Rynoceros, I'm going to hug your ass. If I die in the process, I'm going to come back with the best tools at my disposal and find you.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:55:00 -
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Atiim wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:
-The better rep tool on a Min logi certainly improves survivability of the target, but other than that possibly yielding more guardian points, there is otherwise a disincentive to run a better rep tool because theoretically you can get more WP from a lower tier one (i.e., one on a non-minmatar suit)
You don't actually use Repair Tools do you? WP for Repair Tools is given based on how much HP you rep, not how long you've been repairing. Because of that, the faster your HP/s the faster your WP will be accumulated. When you also consider the fact that the target survives longer with a better repair tool, you get more oppritunites to repair as well, which theoretically -and in most instances, literally- means, more WP.
When did they change it so there's a direct link between hp and WP? I know the old "cycle" system was changed a while ago, but unless there was a change post, say, 1.4-1.5 that I dont know of (which is possible) all the higher tier reps do is get you to the cap faster, they do not give you more total WP.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Mortedeamor
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:39:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up.
But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed.
Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak.
cowards is what they are i have to coax most heavies to use circle around tactics rhyno.
i am always circling around bunkering ina doorway is not a mort thing to do...leaving 2 chicken ass heavies ina doorway running behind and killing everyone camping is me...generally heavies are not willing to do more than sit camp and be healed.
you sir are a rarity
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danie braz
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:12:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
2 basic plates
2 complex reppers
flux's
gek ar
syndicate smg
lai dai repper tool
kin12 injector
flux proto links.
I like this. I will probably skip the S.A. mod. I shield tank but i think ill start doing a variation of this and precision enhancers. Might armor tank for survivability tho.
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IraqiFriendshipExplosive
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:41:00 -
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I think maybe it is time for CCP to up the WP needed for a warbarge strike. Perhaps 3000 or even 4000 War points?
It is very very easy for a logi or two in a squad to farm 3-4k war points alone per match. |
Mortedeamor
Imperfects
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:12:00 -
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IraqiFriendshipExplosive wrote:I think maybe it is time for CCP to up the WP needed for a warbarge strike. Perhaps 3000 or even 4000 War points?
It is very very easy for a logi or two in a squad to farm 3-4k war points alone per match.
i agree even upping it to 4 k i would still be able to bring my squad an ob by myself |
bogeyman m
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:42:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp.
i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle?
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
2 basic plates
2 complex reppers
flux's
gek ar
syndicate smg
lai dai repper tool
kin12 injector
flux proto links.
i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit
ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn.
ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies..
ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them..
and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi
how are the other logi's doing?
my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp
ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days
i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at.
my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days
amar logi adv
exile ar syndicate smg
3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm
flux
2 plates
1 complex repper
core repper tool
stnd injector
adv flux 3 sec spawns
and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth
ccp nerf my logi please
Agreed. Nerf all Amarrian Logi suits.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:47:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp.
i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle?
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
2 basic plates
2 complex reppers
flux's
gek ar
syndicate smg
lai dai repper tool
kin12 injector
flux proto links.
i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit
ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn.
ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies..
ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them..
and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi
how are the other logi's doing?
my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp
ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days
i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at.
my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days
amar logi adv
exile ar syndicate smg
3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm
flux
2 plates
1 complex repper
core repper tool
stnd injector
adv flux 3 sec spawns
and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth
ccp nerf my logi please Agreed. Nerf all Amarrian Logi suits.
Along with Gallente and Minmatar. Bring them down to callogi levels.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:49:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp.
i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle?
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
2 basic plates
2 complex reppers
flux's
gek ar
syndicate smg
lai dai repper tool
kin12 injector
flux proto links.
i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit
ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn.
ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies..
ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them..
and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi
how are the other logi's doing?
my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp
ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days
i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at.
my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days
amar logi adv
exile ar syndicate smg
3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm
flux
2 plates
1 complex repper
core repper tool
stnd injector
adv flux 3 sec spawns
and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth
ccp nerf my logi please
I think considering the fact that logies are a support class first, getting kills should be low priority. a logi should be rewarded for supporting the team.
lets also take into consideration you are using a proto suit... is this strictly PC you are fighting in or pubs?
because if its pubs and you always run proto of course you are going to get insane WP and feel powerful, what with going up against newer players and others wearing mostly std to adv gear.
try running a std suit and tell me how powerful you feel then. |
Mortedeamor
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.06.20 02:39:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp.
i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle?
this is my rig
AMAR ak.o
3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm
2 basic plates
2 complex reppers
flux's
gek ar
syndicate smg
lai dai repper tool
kin12 injector
flux proto links.
i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit
ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn.
ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies..
ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them..
and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi
how are the other logi's doing?
my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp
ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days
i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at.
my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days
amar logi adv
exile ar syndicate smg
3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm
flux
2 plates
1 complex repper
core repper tool
stnd injector
adv flux 3 sec spawns
and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth
ccp nerf my logi please I think considering the fact that logies are a support class first, getting kills should be low priority. a logi should be rewarded for supporting the team. lets also take into consideration you are using a proto suit... is this strictly PC you are fighting in or pubs? because if its pubs and you always run proto of course you are going to get insane WP and feel powerful, what with going up against newer players and others wearing mostly std to adv gear. try running a std suit and tell me how powerful you feel then.
actually i am generally running the adv suit and more often than not i am alone..as i have said in this thread even when teamed whith 15 new berries...i often have more wp if not a higher kdr than anyone on either team. i dont think the amar logi is limited in its wp gain as effectively as the other logis.
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