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Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:49:00 - [31] - Quote minmitar logi is probably not only the best logi suit, but perhaps the best medium suit in the game... and yes your amar suit is broke....
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 93	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:51:00 - [32] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: minmitar logi is probably not only the best logi suit, but perhaps the best medium suit in the game... and yes your amar suit is broke.... Your view is completely invalid like every post you make. Service with a smile
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3498	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:06:00 - [33] - Quote The only GÇ£issueGÇ¥ with the Amarr logi suit is that itGÇÖs the most viable one left due to the sidearm, and the bonus is better suited to WP gain: Faster uplinks get used more = more WP. As we all know from Cross AtuGÇÖs threadnought, the reward for better equipment is otherwise essentially zero: -The WP gain from nanohives and scanners is comparatively small to begin with. -The better rep tool on a Min logi certainly improves survivability of the target, but other than that possibly yielding more guardian points, there is otherwise a disincentive to run a better rep too because theoretically you can get more from a lower tier one (i.e., one on a non-minmatar suit) End result: You can make just as many WP using a scout suit to logi as you can any logi suit with the one exception. Mostly though, your GÇ£problemGÇ¥ (lol) is twofold: 1)You are a scarce resource. There are very few of us logis left, and even fewer AAA ones. IGÇÖm not pretending to be in the latter category like the OP but I not infequently get obscene amounts of WP for little effort simply because I am the only person with uplinks. The other day I dropped 2 (expertly-placed, of course) uplinks in a 50 clone ambush and went like 2/2 with 1500 WP in 5 minutes because it was just a straight up brawl with both teams losing a lot of clones quickly GÇô my side won, if you are curious, my kills were vehicles. 2) I am absolutely not saying this to be a troll, but it does sound like you got a nice little farm set up there on the Gallente facility too. ThatGÇÖs always been a profitable map for a decent logi, especially if you have two good heavies and the other team foolishly just wonGÇÖt give up on the interior point. Or, when on that foolhardy team, using the GÇ£meat grinderGÇ¥ strategy you outlined. Happens to me all the time when I run solo in Amarr FW, and not just on that map. We lose and I go like 10/10 (no holding back when fighting for the Empire) but get 2000WP because all those scrubs getting killed need to respawn somewhere. (Sometimes I almost feel bad for the blueberries. Then I remember that they are the reason I've only made it to level 5 standings despite months of meritorious service to the Empire.) (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3965	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:19:00 - [34] - Quote If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up. But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed. Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3615	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:32:00 - [35] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up. But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed. Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak. Will do. I always run proto everything with a medium of regen and tank. I will jump on you and res/rep you and die just so you can mow down the scum. I barely ever make a profit but I use aurum to balance that out. I get a serious buzz from logi ing. If it gets too hairy then I have my heavy or assault. I'm on usually from around 8pm eve time and there's also a high chance I'll be squadded within seconds but if you join the channel. an 0uter.heaven. then you'll find loads of decent players. Actually I think you are already in there lol. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9573	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:46:00 - [36] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: -The better rep tool on a Min logi certainly improves survivability of the target, but other than that possibly yielding more guardian points, there is otherwise a disincentive to run a better rep tool because theoretically you can get more WP from a lower tier one (i.e., one on a non-minmatar suit) You don't actually use Repair Tools do you? WP for Repair Tools is given based on how much HP you rep, not how long you've been repairing. Because of that, the faster your HP/s the faster your WP will be accumulated. When you also consider the fact that the target survives longer with a better repair tool, you get more oppritunites to repair as well, which theoretically -and in most instances, literally- means, more WP. Director of NoGameNoLife "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3615	Posted - 2014.06.18 15:47:00 - [37] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: minmitar logi is probably not only the best logi suit, but perhaps the best medium suit in the game... and yes your amar suit is broke.... In what way is it broken? Do you mean the way it's missing a slot at proto? CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Proficiency V. 854	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:10:00 - [38] - Quote I don't think that's an overpowered output for a logi persay. I think its more a shining example of what a logi is capable of doing in a good team setting. In the end, teams win, period. I'm a min logi (tho I also have proto amarr logi). if I run logi solo, I do deplorable. Especially if my team is stacked, never dies and redlines the enemy quickly. If they are stacked and my team is basically splintered and not concentrating on any objective, same story. I'll actually duck out of my logi suits and start running starter/dragonfly scout. However, great teams are what make my suit valuable. If I have good heavies on my team, I'm definitely at the top of the board. I don't see that as broken given how much I've invested to make my suit so. Not downplaying how much assault players also invest, but I have rarely played in a good team who loathed that I was also at the top of the board with them because I'm part of the team, communicating and supporting like I'm supposed to. My role is worthless without assaults/heavies. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Proficiency V. 854	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:14:00 - [39] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Rynoceros wrote: If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up. But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed. Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak. Will do. I always run proto everything with a medium of regen and tank. I will jump on you and res/rep you and die just so you can mow down the scum. I barely ever make a profit but I use aurum to balance that out. I get a serious buzz from logi ing. If it gets too hairy then I have my heavy or assault. I'm on usually from around 8pm eve time and there's also a high chance I'll be squadded within seconds but if you join the channel. an 0uter.heaven. then you'll find loads of decent players. Actually I think you are already in there lol. Here, here. When I see an obvious bottleneck happening, I actually change suits and run across the map to lay uplinks. Nothing worse than having blue without boot down options. If I see you in game, Rynoceros, I'm going to hug your ass. If I die in the process, I'm going to come back with the best tools at my disposal and find you. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3510	Posted - 2014.06.19 01:55:00 - [40] - Quote Atiim wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: -The better rep tool on a Min logi certainly improves survivability of the target, but other than that possibly yielding more guardian points, there is otherwise a disincentive to run a better rep tool because theoretically you can get more WP from a lower tier one (i.e., one on a non-minmatar suit) You don't actually use Repair Tools do you? WP for Repair Tools is given based on how much HP you rep, not how long you've been repairing. Because of that, the faster your HP/s the faster your WP will be accumulated. When you also consider the fact that the target survives longer with a better repair tool, you get more oppritunites to repair as well, which theoretically -and in most instances, literally- means, more WP. When did they change it so there's a direct link between hp and WP? I know the old "cycle" system was changed a while ago, but unless there was a change post, say, 1.4-1.5 that I dont know of (which is possible) all the higher tier reps do is get you to the cap faster, they do not give you more total WP. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit

Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1553	Posted - 2014.06.19 16:39:00 - [41] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: If you wanna Rep me, I hope you get all of the WP you can scrounge up. But, so few Logis will go with me to flank. They want to hang out where everybody (including themselves) are getting bottlenecked and destroyed. Logis: If you see me in-game, follow me. We're going to get around that mob, get behind them, and go on a nice and easy 10-20 Kill streak. cowards is what they are i have to coax most heavies to use circle around tactics rhyno. i am always circling around bunkering ina doorway is not a mort thing to do...leaving 2 chicken ass heavies ina doorway running behind and killing everyone camping is me...generally heavies are not willing to do more than sit camp and be healed. you sir are a rarity so is a heavy with strafe game
danie braz Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:12:00 - [42] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: this is my rig AMAR ak.o 3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm 2 basic plates 2 complex reppers flux's gek ar syndicate smg lai dai repper tool kin12 injector flux proto links. I like this. I will probably skip the S.A. mod. I shield tank but i think ill start doing a variation of this and precision enhancers. Might armor tank for survivability tho. Fluoride uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium Molybdenum neon yttrium
IraqiFriendshipExplosive Tiny Toons 84	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:41:00 - [43] - Quote I think maybe it is time for CCP to up the WP needed for a warbarge strike. Perhaps 3000 or even 4000 War points? It is very very easy for a logi or two in a squad to farm 3-4k war points alone per match.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1553	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:12:00 - [44] - Quote IraqiFriendshipExplosive wrote: I think maybe it is time for CCP to up the WP needed for a warbarge strike. Perhaps 3000 or even 4000 War points? It is very very easy for a logi or two in a squad to farm 3-4k war points alone per match. i agree even upping it to 4 k i would still be able to bring my squad an ob by myself
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 270	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:42:00 - [45] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp. i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle? this is my rig AMAR ak.o 3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm 2 basic plates 2 complex reppers flux's gek ar syndicate smg lai dai repper tool kin12 injector flux proto links. i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn. ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies.. ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them.. and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi how are the other logi's doing? my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at. my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days amar logi adv exile ar syndicate smg 3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm flux 2 plates 1 complex repper core repper tool stnd injector adv flux 3 sec spawns and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth ccp nerf my logi please Agreed. Nerf all Amarrian Logi suits. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
Tectonic Fusion 1726	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:47:00 - [46] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp. i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle? this is my rig AMAR ak.o 3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm 2 basic plates 2 complex reppers flux's gek ar syndicate smg lai dai repper tool kin12 injector flux proto links. i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn. ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies.. ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them.. and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi how are the other logi's doing? my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at. my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days amar logi adv exile ar syndicate smg 3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm flux 2 plates 1 complex repper core repper tool stnd injector adv flux 3 sec spawns and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth ccp nerf my logi please Agreed. Nerf all Amarrian Logi suits. Along with Gallente and Minmatar. Bring them down to callogi levels.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:49:00 - [47] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp. i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle? this is my rig AMAR ak.o 3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm 2 basic plates 2 complex reppers flux's gek ar syndicate smg lai dai repper tool kin12 injector flux proto links. i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn. ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies.. ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them.. and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi how are the other logi's doing? my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at. my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days amar logi adv exile ar syndicate smg 3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm flux 2 plates 1 complex repper core repper tool stnd injector adv flux 3 sec spawns and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth ccp nerf my logi please I think considering the fact that logies are a support class first, getting kills should be low priority. a logi should be rewarded for supporting the team. lets also take into consideration you are using a proto suit... is this strictly PC you are fighting in or pubs? because if its pubs and you always run proto of course you are going to get insane WP and feel powerful, what with going up against newer players and others wearing mostly std to adv gear. try running a std suit and tell me how powerful you feel then.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1555	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:39:00 - [48] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: i am curious how are the other racial logi's? i feel like my amar logi is broken..i can gain 5 k wp with great ease...i could afk and gain 2 k wp. i think the logi wp cap should be lowered. i can often gain over 1000 wp before the system makes me get a kill. and its not like geting 1 kill is hard to resume the insane wp feed that logi gear gives you...and as far as logis being weak..i dont really feel that mine is. how are the other in battle? this is my rig AMAR ak.o 3 dmg mods 2 light weapon 1 sidearm 2 basic plates 2 complex reppers flux's gek ar syndicate smg lai dai repper tool kin12 injector flux proto links. i generally use this suit as a team bombardment suit ill lay uplinks on point give cover fire with my dmg modded weapons and provide repps and revives to those who spawn. ive been running this suit relentlessly on gal fortress and i run with 2-3 people in my squad 1-2 heavies.. ive had my heavies kill over 50 people apiece and i still got over twice they're wp way more isk than them.. and its not like your die alot asa logi..i feel like some major balancing factor has been removed with my amar logi how are the other logi's doing? my average logi kdr has gone from 3.5 to 4.0 my average wp without trying is now 2 k wp ive broken 7 k wp 6 times in 2 days i think maybe the logi wp cap system needs to be looked at. my adv logi has broken 5 k 4 times in 2 days amar logi adv exile ar syndicate smg 3 dmg mods 2 light 1 sidearm flux 2 plates 1 complex repper core repper tool stnd injector adv flux 3 sec spawns and im still breaking 5 k wp...wth ccp nerf my logi please I think considering the fact that logies are a support class first, getting kills should be low priority. a logi should be rewarded for supporting the team. lets also take into consideration you are using a proto suit... is this strictly PC you are fighting in or pubs? because if its pubs and you always run proto of course you are going to get insane WP and feel powerful, what with going up against newer players and others wearing mostly std to adv gear. try running a std suit and tell me how powerful you feel then. actually i am generally running the adv suit and more often than not i am alone..as i have said in this thread even when teamed whith 15 new berries...i often have more wp if not a higher kdr than anyone on either team. i dont think the amar logi is limited in its wp gain as effectively as the other logis.


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