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Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4855	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:09:00 - [1] - Quote Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5286	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:11:00 - [2] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Now imagine facing them with a Minmatar Scout and Nova Knives Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4855	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:12:00 - [3] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Now imagine facing them with a Minmatar Scout and Nova Knives Amarr Scout and my terribad bonus and slower than some assault suits movement and sprint speeds Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 574	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:13:00 - [4] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed. Ever since the Legion announcement, it appears that a large majority of the classy players left. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+ `NyainChan Forever`
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10642	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:13:00 - [5] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Sob...Sob....Aisha thinks I am a scrub......... "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2012	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:13:00 - [6] - Quote You had me til Legion... This is how a minja feels
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4855	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:14:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Sob...Sob....Aisha thinks I am a scrub......... You scrub. Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5286	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:15:00 - [8] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Now imagine facing them with a Minmatar Scout and Nova Knives Amarr Scout and my terribad bonus and slower than some assault suits movement and sprint speeds Wow, your scout needs HP? You obviously suck if you need eHP to get anything done. /sarcarsm Amarr scout is still a better combat scout than the minmatar. Speed doesn't mean anything when you can't dodge scans. Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2559	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:21:00 - [9] - Quote My assault gets shredded by hmg's.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2109	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:22:00 - [10] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You had me til Legion... So did CCP. I'm sorry if my signature no longer matches my earlier posts. K/Dr WP/Dr matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.

Scheneighnay McBob The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5289	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:27:00 - [11] - Quote These people are absolute idiots, as well. I started shooting at one with my mass driver from the pipes above. What do they do? They take cover. Normally not a bad idea, but they managed to crouch by some crates on completely the wrong side that they should have, being the side I was on. A couple of direct hits later and they were dead. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 560	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:30:00 - [12] - Quote Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? 1st Grade Rhyming + Beats= Rap PS News R.A.W- Rich and Worthless
Egonz4 340	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:32:00 - [13] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Just run a 3K RE suit...it's fun self proclaimed - Master of The Flaylock
Egonz4 340	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:33:00 - [14] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: One Eyed King wrote: You had me til Legion... So did CCP. Ooooh good one self proclaimed - Master of The Flaylock
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1896	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:48:00 - [15] - Quote Upside: No more stunlock! Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4863	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:51:00 - [16] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1986	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:59:00 - [17] - Quote SHOTS FIRED "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
JP Acuna Pendejitos Zero-Day 185	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:09:00 - [18] - Quote I thought it was combat rifle 514. Not very concerned about heavies fortunately.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4441	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:10:00 - [19] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Now imagine facing them with a Minmatar Scout and Nova Knives Amarr Scout and my terribad bonus and slower than some assault suits movement and sprint speeds Well there's your problem. You're picking stupid loadouts again.
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 560	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:13:00 - [20] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I can understand why you don't like me. Which I don't have a problem with nor with you. I'm just not a fan of people who stick with something but complain about it(the word for this action escapes me at the moment). I have not been in game the last 3-4 days due to numerous family gatherings. But I will be on tomorrow if you want to thrust any comments into my direction. 1st Grade Rhyming + Beats= Rap PS News R.A.W- Rich and Worthless

Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4873	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:15:00 - [21] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Now imagine facing them with a Minmatar Scout and Nova Knives Amarr Scout and my terribad bonus and slower than some assault suits movement and sprint speeds Well there's your problem. You're picking stupid loadouts again. 2x Complex Enhancers 1x Basic Plate 1x Complex Profile Dampened 1x Complex Range Extender 1x Complex Armor Repairer ARN-17 Cloak Field Compact Nanohive Viziam ScR Kalaakiota Magsec Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2561	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:34:00 - [22] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I can understand why you don't like me. Which I don't have a problem with nor with you. I'm just not a fan of people who stick with something but complain about it(the word for this action escapes me at the moment). I have not been in game the last 3-4 days due to numerous family gatherings. But I will be on tomorrow if you want to thrust any comments into my direction. So complaining about something that's obviously OP is bad? First complaint I've seen from Aisha.. Balance is everything and heavies are not balanced. If no one complains then how will the devs know it's a problem? Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3319	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:38:00 - [23] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I can understand why you don't like me. Which I don't have a problem with nor with you. I'm just not a fan of people who stick with something but complain about it(the word for this action escapes me at the moment). I have not been in game the last 3-4 days due to numerous family gatherings. But I will be on tomorrow if you want to thrust any comments into my direction. So complaining about something that's obviously OP is bad? First complaint I've seen from Aisha.. Balance is everything and heavies are not balanced. If no one complains then how will the devs know it's a problem? Simple.....Pshhhhhhh Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4874	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:43:00 - [24] - Quote Heavies need to have their turn speed reduced and their movement speed as well, I've seen some plate laden Gallente heavies that move far faster than they should. Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Yokal Bob NoGameNoLife 475	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:49:00 - [25] - Quote you are clearly a scout scrub Sort out Dust before Legion or that will be a mess too
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4875	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:51:00 - [26] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: you are clearly a scout scrub Actually I'm proto Amarr Assault, so um, yeah, sorry to burst your bubble. Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 560	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:52:00 - [27] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I can understand why you don't like me. Which I don't have a problem with nor with you. I'm just not a fan of people who stick with something but complain about it(the word for this action escapes me at the moment). I have not been in game the last 3-4 days due to numerous family gatherings. But I will be on tomorrow if you want to thrust any comments into my direction. So complaining about something that's obviously OP is bad? First complaint I've seen from Aisha.. Balance is everything and heavies are not balanced. If no one complains then how will the devs know it's a problem? I forget in what thread but I response with the same statement of just quitting the game. I'm not saying heavies aren't balanced nor have some sort of hate towards her. Just that she complains how she is tired of the game but never quits. I am sorry if a have appeared rude or offensive to anyone because of my actions. I acted in a knee jerk reaction when I saw this thread. So, I apologize once again. 1st Grade Rhyming + Beats= Rap PS News R.A.W- Rich and Worthless
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 560	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:56:00 - [28] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Heavies need to have their turn speed reduced and their movement speed as well, I've seen some plate laden Gallente heavies that move far faster than they should. Their turn speed needs to be reduced maybe 25% slower than medium frames. But I see no problem with movement speed, any lower and we will have to jump steps... 1st Grade Rhyming + Beats= Rap PS News R.A.W- Rich and Worthless
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1902	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:03:00 - [29] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Heavies need to have their turn speed reduced and their movement speed as well, I've seen some plate laden Gallente heavies that move far faster than they should. Their turn speed needs to be reduced maybe 25% slower than medium frames. But I see no problem with movement speed, any lower and we will have to jump steps... Rotation speeds are determined by input sensitivity (not suit type). Scout+CmpKinCat (x4) = Light Frame = Med Frame = Heavy Frame = Sentinel+CmpPlates (x4) I also agree that we Heavy rotation speed should be reduced (not movement speed). Question is should it be defined on a frame-by-frame basis or built into Armor Plates? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2016	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:07:00 - [30] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Heavies need to have their turn speed reduced and their movement speed as well, I've seen some plate laden Gallente heavies that move far faster than they should. Their turn speed needs to be reduced maybe 25% slower than medium frames. But I see no problem with movement speed, any lower and we will have to jump steps... Rotation speeds are determined by input sensitivity (not suit type). Light Frame = Med Frame = Heavy Frame = Sentinel + Complex Plate (x4) I agree that we shouldn't reduce movement speed, but rotation speed should be addressed. Question is would it be better accomplished on a frame-by-frame basis or built into Armor Plates? Are you referring to the armor plating that (so I interpret) comes with being a heavy, the modules, or both? Because I could see this helping to fix some of the tanking on other fits too if their turn speed were reduced. This is how a minja feels

Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4878	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:10:00 - [31] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Heavies need to have their turn speed reduced and their movement speed as well, I've seen some plate laden Gallente heavies that move far faster than they should. Their turn speed needs to be reduced maybe 25% slower than medium frames. But I see no problem with movement speed, any lower and we will have to jump steps... Rotation speeds are determined by input sensitivity (not suit type). Light Frame = Med Frame = Heavy Frame = Sentinel + Complex Plate (x4) I agree that we shouldn't reduce movement speed, but rotation speed should be addressed. Question is would it be better accomplished on a frame-by-frame basis or built into Armor Plates? Are you referring to the armor plating that (so I interpret) comes with being a heavy, the modules, or both? Because I could see this helping to fix some of the tanking on other fits too if their turn speed were reduced. Yes, the armor plates Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 237	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:18:00 - [32] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Just run a 3K RE suit...it's fun Totally agree except with the nerf to re's ( bravo update ) now it will take 2 to kill most and speed tanked heavys will run right past them while your standing there waiting for it to arm ( since they can hear you throw it and will 5 sec to react ) The reply will be run proto... Even tho the heavy will be in a milita fit costing < 10k. And since they won't buff av vs. vehicles ( if you think it's balanced look at duna's k/d ) and reps won't do anything vs. infantry ( 2 proto vs. milita tank is a dumb argument) my prediction is the next FOTM will be tanks and heavys flooding the battlefield. Lonewolf till I die
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 478	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:20:00 - [33] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy Green Heavy, Dead heavy Rail heavy, tank heavy Thales heavy, gank heavy HMG or rail rifle? in the redline? sniper rifle! You think I'm slow? I have a car! Ill jump out with my ARR! Things can kill me? They're OP! CCP, nerf the RE! Whats that? Im a noob? Get gud scrub, I have more HP than you! I like EZ mode, its not my fault! Why should I have to skill assault? Right now we are super UP. Thats why we're the only suit you see! Even better, Ill drive a tank. Watch me jump out with my HMG OH wow, you got instaganked! I just need this weapon that makes you super slow Its not my fault my aiming blows. just gonna post this here to help What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1903	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:30:00 - [34] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Are you referring to the armor plating that (so I interpret) comes with being a heavy, the modules, or both? Because I could see this helping to fix some of the tanking on other fits too if their turn speed were reduced. May not even be possible; depends on how related items are coded ... Unlikely I think it highly unlikely that Rotation_Penalty_Per_Armor_Point was prebuilt into movement mechanics. In other words, the framework that'd permit us to say "a merc with 150 Total Armor spins about faster a merc with 1,500 Total Armor" doesn't exist in Dust. And what doesn't already exist, won't exist; we must work with what we have. Possibly If Armor Plates are coded with Movement Penalty % then there's a chance the developers coded Max Rotation Penalty % as well. If that's the case, Rattati need only increase that value to solve the problem of Max-HP Gal Sentinels rotating as rapidly as the rest of us. Likely Sometime in mid 2013, the Devs "normalized" rotation speeds among all suits; prior to this point, rotation speeds varied by suit category. As the framework previously existed, it seems highly likely that it still exists. In short, "Denormalizing" rotation speeds would let us redefine max rotation speed by Light, Medium, and Heavy but probably wouldn't permit us to differentiate much further. In other words, fixing Heavy rotation speed may result the Commando being penalized since it shares a category with the Heavy. Could be wrong on that, but it'd explain why Rattati hasn't done it yet. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1903	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:32:00 - [35] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Just run a 3K RE suit...it's fun Just in case you're out-of-the-loop, your low-end REs are getting nerfed. Heavies complained about them. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 1680	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:34:00 - [36] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I've seen him. I feel better about my gameplay when I see him. PSN Sil4nt Chaozz Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1903	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:37:00 - [37] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I've seen him. I feel better about my gameplay when I see him. Is it wrong that when I read posts by Heavies I think of Spkr and Taki discussing AV? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 481	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:39:00 - [38] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I've seen him. I feel better about my gameplay when I see him. Is it wrong that when I read posts by Heavies I think of Spkr and Taki discussing AV? lol i get the same feeling all the time... What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10647	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:39:00 - [39] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I've seen him. I feel better about my gameplay when I see him. Is it wrong that when I read posts by Heavies I think of Spkr and Taki discussing AV? Or when all the "top scouts" tried to defend that the Amarr scout would be hyper OP and didn't need any buffs in the face of over whelming evidence their "scouty know how" was a load of ***. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon*
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 482	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:49:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Is it wrong that when I read posts by Heavies I think of Spkr and Taki discussing AV? Or when all the "top scouts" tried to defend that the Amarr scout would be hyper OP and didn't need any buffs in the face of over whelming evidence their "scouty know how" was a load of ****. The only reason I discouraged some of the buffs that you and several others were proposing was that they were ridiculous i.e.-10% to strafe speed per level, 5% to ScrP damage, +1 ScrP clip size (this was back pre-ScrP nerf), 5% jump height, +1 armor rep (this one is actually pretty good), etc, etc i suggested moderate buffs, but everyone was super intent on buffing the amarr scout to, well, above what the cal and gal scout are now. However, they are in need of a buff, as well as minjas, and this is the source of a good deal of scoutly discussion (at least on my end, as shotty knows...) What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1905	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:54:00 - [41] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Or when all the "top scouts" tried to defend that the Amarr scout would be hyper OP and didn't need any buffs in the face of over whelming evidence their "scouty know how" was a load of ***. Got me there. To be fair, you guys were zero help in the process ... I remember a whole lot of wall-text and few (if any) tenable ideas from you guys. But you all sure were quick to respond to our ideas with "no, that's not good enough". Anyhow, we're still kicking around ideas for you guys ... Bonuses to Biotics (gotta be quick to round up the Matari slaves) * Bonuses to Range (AM long range / low precision vs CA short range / high precision) * Bonuses to Ferroscale / Reactive Efficacy (my personal favorite) How 'bout you. Do you have anything to suggest? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3571	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:56:00 - [42] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Just run a 3K RE suit...it's fun Just in case you're out-of-the-loop, your low-end REs are getting nerfed. Heavies complained about them. Technically I'm an Assault Although all I personally wanted was the activation time change. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 4 (2 days left...)
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3571	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:58:00 - [43] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Or when all the "top scouts" tried to defend that the Amarr scout would be hyper OP and didn't need any buffs in the face of over whelming evidence their "scouty know how" was a load of ***. Got me there. To be fair, you guys were zero help in the process ... I remember a whole lot of wall-text and not a whole lot of suggestions. You guys fielded few (if any) tenable ideas of your own. But were quick to respond to ours with "no, that's not good enough". We're still kicking around ideas for you guys ... Bonuses to Biotics (gotta be quick to round up the Matari slaves) * Bonuses to Range (AM long range / low precision vs CA short range / high precision) * Bonuses to Ferroscale / Reactive Efficacy (my personal favorite) How 'bout you. Do you have anything to suggest? I remember seeing those ones in their threads. I also remember that most of their threads were dedicated to convincing the the rest of the world there was a problem, before even coming close to trying to fix it. (I'm a fan of the range one myself) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 4 (2 days left...)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10649	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:58:00 - [44] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Or when all the "top scouts" tried to defend that the Amarr scout would be hyper OP and didn't need any buffs in the face of over whelming evidence their "scouty know how" was a load of ***. Got me there. To be fair, you guys were zero help in the process ... I remember a whole lot of wall-text and not a whole lot of suggestions. You guys fielded few (if any) tenable ideas of your own. But were quick to respond to ours with "no, that's not good enough". We're still kicking around ideas for you guys ... Bonuses to Biotics (gotta be quick to round up the Matari slaves) * Bonuses to Range (AM long range / low precision vs CA short range / high precision) * Bonuses to Ferroscale / Reactive Efficacy (my personal favorite) How 'bout you. Do you have anything to suggest? I basically put the question to you guys as to why the Amarr scout could not have a bonus that allowed it to function as a scout and why our bonuses only amounted to a total standard module which Minmatar got a buff to their stamina regen that invalidated the Amarr scout bonuses AND have the equivalent of 3+ Complex Modules. After which and I forgot his name.... basically proved that Amarr scouts were garbage. As for suggestions I stated I didn't know how to achieve balance only that the current iterations of the suits are not balanced. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1905	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:08:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: As for suggestions I stated I didn't know how to achieve balance only that the current iterations of the suits are not balanced. We're off topic here, but assuming you have kids, which would you prefer to see yours doing: "Hey! I'm not happy with what I've got here. Can I trade it for ... [ insert something reasonable ]?" -- or -- "[Screaming / Stomping Feet] Not fair! Timmy's is better than mine and so is Suzie's! Not fair!" Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 561	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:09:00 - [46] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I've seen him. I feel better about my gameplay when I see him. Bro, I have only seen you once(maybe twice). Don't you remember that one game where it was like 6 vs 11, you were running Proto Min Scout with cloak n knives. You killed me once with the knives (I was firing at someone and I see you in your cloak jumping the fence and shank) I'll give you props on that one, it was a pretty epic kill. Later you tried to run me over in your Lav, I jumped n got cornered, you then charged at me but I switched to my shotgun in time. Don't underestimate my Commando. 1st Grade Rhyming + Beats= Rap PS News R.A.W- Rich and Worthless
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10649	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:12:00 - [47] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: As for suggestions I stated I didn't know how to achieve balance only that the current iterations of the suits are not balanced. We're off topic here, but assuming you have kids, which would you prefer to see yours doing: "Hey! I'm not happy with what I've got here. Can I trade it for ... [ insert something reasonable ]?" -- or -- "[Screaming / Stomping Feet] Not fair! Timmy's is better than mine and so is Suzie's! Not fair!" We never took that tone where was not reasonable. No scout could come up with a half decent counter argument for why they believed it was "fair" to gimp the Amarr scout....when the Gal Scout could do everything better anyway..... Since I know better now the Amarr have some good examples in EVE of great little scouting ships. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1393	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:22:00 - [48] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Heavies need to have their turn speed reduced and their movement speed as well, I've seen some plate laden Gallente heavies that move far faster than they should. Their turn speed needs to be reduced maybe 25% slower than medium frames. But I see no problem with movement speed, any lower and we will have to jump steps... Rotation speeds are determined by input sensitivity (not suit type). Scout+CmpKinCat (x4) = Light Frame = Med Frame = Heavy Frame = Sentinel+CmpPlates (x4) I completely agree that Heavy rotation speed should be reduced (but not movement speed). Question is should it be defined on a frame-by-frame basis or built into Armor Plates? Still spewing the same lies I see... Do you by chance armor tank? As a pure Amarr user I do nothing but armor tank and i CAN ASSURE you that plates do in fact reduce turn speed. The reason I know this is because I rarely use one suit type in a match often switching between my commando who uses reps in the lows and my sentinel which uses complex plates in the lows and there is an extremely noticeable difference in turn performance. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1905	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:24:00 - [49] - Quote True Adamance wrote: We never took that tone where was not reasonable. No scout could come up with a half decent counter argument for why they believed it was "fair" to gimp the Amarr scout....when the Gal Scout could do everything better anyway..... Since I know better now the Amarr have some good examples in EVE of great little scouting ships. The "top scouts" actually spend time discussing meaningful ways to make things better for those who are under performing. I've no doubt you feel wholly neglected :: sadface :: but truth be told Minmatar Scouts are in worse shape than Amarr. I don't care if you believe it or not, and I won't waste time trying to convince you. But it is fact, and we're actively trying to get both of you squared away. Precisely what are you doing to help? Would you classify our little chat here as help? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1906	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:31:00 - [50] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Still spewing the same lies I see... Do you by chance armor tank? As a pure Amarr user I do nothing but armor tank and i CAN ASSURE you that plates do in fact reduce turn speed. The reason I know this is because I rarely use one suit type in a match often switching between my commando who uses reps in the lows and my sentinel which uses complex plates in the lows and there is an extremely noticeable difference in turn performance. I timed rotation speeds today between Scout w/out Plates and a Heavy w/2 Complex Plates. As best I could tell, they were exactly the same. Worry not, it'll be proven one way or the other by tomorrow. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Heavy Rotation Speed is still too fast. But what will come of your "everything is fine" position if you are proven wrong? You've more to lose than I. Good luck. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10650	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:33:00 - [51] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: We never took that tone where was not reasonable. No scout could come up with a half decent counter argument for why they believed it was "fair" to gimp the Amarr scout....when the Gal Scout could do everything better anyway..... Since I know better now the Amarr have some good examples in EVE of great little scouting ships. The "top scouts" actually spend time discussing meaningful ways to make things better for those who are under performing. I've no doubt you feel wholly neglected :: sadface :: but truth be told Minmatar Scouts are in worse shape than Amarr. I don't care if you believe it or not, and I won't waste time trying to convince you. But it is fact, and we're actively trying to get both of you squared away. Precisely what are you doing to help? Would you classify our little chat here as help? Nope I sadly gave up on trying to help once we were ignored after presenting evidence in the face of condemnation by supposedly knowledgeable players...... "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1393	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:35:00 - [52] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Still spewing the same lies I see... Do you by chance armor tank? As a pure Amarr user I do nothing but armor tank and i CAN ASSURE you that plates do in fact reduce turn speed. The reason I know this is because I rarely use one suit type in a match often switching between my commando who uses reps in the lows and my sentinel which uses complex plates in the lows and there is an extremely noticeable difference in turn performance. I timed rotation speeds today between Scout w/out Plates and a Heavy w/2 Complex Plates. As best I could tell, they were exactly the same. Worry not, it'll be proven one way or the other by tomorrow. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Heavy Rotation Speed is still too fast. But what will come of your "everything is fine" position if you are proven wrong? You've more to lose than I. Good luck. love that you're going for a win-win but I know Im right so its all good Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1906	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:43:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Nope I sadly gave up on trying to help once we were ignored after presenting evidence in the face of condemnation by supposedly knowledgeable players...... Well then ... When you're done feeling sorry for yourself, you know where to find us. That is, of course, assuming you've come up with something meaningful to contribute. Until then, we'll see you in battle. o7 Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5293	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:48:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: We never took that tone where was not reasonable. No scout could come up with a half decent counter argument for why they believed it was "fair" to gimp the Amarr scout....when the Gal Scout could do everything better anyway..... Since I know better now the Amarr have some good examples in EVE of great little scouting ships. The "top scouts" actually spend time discussing meaningful ways to make things better for those who are under performing. I've no doubt you feel wholly neglected :: sadface :: but truth be told Minmatar Scouts are in worse shape than Amarr. I don't care if you believe it or not, and I won't waste time trying to convince you. But it is fact, and we're actively trying to get both of you squared away. Precisely what are you doing to help? Would you classify our little chat here as help? Nope I sadly gave up on trying to help once we were ignored after presenting evidence in the face of condemnation by supposedly knowledgeable players...... Everyone has differing opinions. The babershop is nothing more than a slew of a ton of opinions that get tossed around until we come to some sort of consensus. For example: I think the Amarr Scout as a SUIT is fine. The ROLE needs a buff. Scan range is the best buff IMO That and something needs to be done to the cal Scout. 1 Cal scout can make every non-gal scout useless. That needs to change. Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10652	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:50:00 - [55] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Nope I sadly gave up on trying to help once we were ignored after presenting evidence in the face of condemnation by supposedly knowledgeable players...... Well then ... When you're done feeling sorry for yourself, you know where to find us. That is, of course, assuming you've come up with something meaningful to contribute. Until then, we'll see you in battle. o7 O7 Not on your scrawny, foppish, light frame dropsuit. Put some meat on those bones. Commando 4 lyfe! "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 5089	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:54:00 - [56] - Quote lol noobs... You know where heavies are gonna be... you know their range of dmg... you know how you're "suppose" to approach one... yet you apparently get molested by heavies allot, YET you call heavies the scrubs? Good one ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1906	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:58:00 - [57] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Commando 4 lyfe! Indeed! Back on topic ... Problem: Heavy Rotation Speed Solution: Reduce Heavy Frame Max Rotation Rate Outcome, Intended: No more rapidly rotating, 1,500HP sentinels :-) Outcome, Unintended: Commando Rotation Speed also reduced :-( Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
The Rainbow Affect The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 14	Posted - 2014.06.16 04:59:00 - [58] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: One Eyed King wrote: You had me til Legion... So did CCP.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9495	Posted - 2014.06.16 05:19:00 - [59] - Quote True Adamance wrote: After which and I forgot his name.... basically proved that Amarr scouts were garbage. Magnus Amadeuss? I remember having an entire thread argument disproving the notion that the Amarr suits would be terrible in comparison. Well, after the math was done it turned out that they were the worst off, but the margin was too insignificant to make a difference. Also, he's in your corp. The fact that you don't remember him is quite sad. >.> Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1394	Posted - 2014.06.16 05:52:00 - [60] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Commando 4 lyfe! Indeed! Back on topic ... Problem: Heavy Rotation Speed Solution: Reduce Heavy Frame Max Rotation Rate Outcome, Intended: No more rapidly rotating, 1,500HP sentinels :-) Outcome, Unintended: Commando Rotation Speed also reduced :-( IF you HAVE to nerf the HMG to uselessness like your bottom feeding scrubby @ss wants why not nerf the turning speed when a heavy weapon is equipped BAM! problem solved Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r

Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2564	Posted - 2014.06.16 06:05:00 - [61] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: lol noobs... You know where heavies are gonna be... you know their range of dmg... you know how you're "suppose" to approach one... yet you apparently get molested by heavies allot, YET you call heavies the scrubs? Good one Buff my ar to kill heavies in 2 seconds. Since they both have the same range Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1396	Posted - 2014.06.16 06:08:00 - [62] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: lol noobs... You know where heavies are gonna be... you know their range of dmg... you know how you're "suppose" to approach one... yet you apparently get molested by heavies allot, YET you call heavies the scrubs? Good one Buff my ar to kill heavies in 2 seconds. Since they both have the same range If a light weapon performs as good as a heavy weapon what is the point of using a heavy weapon? Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1830	Posted - 2014.06.16 06:12:00 - [63] - Quote Then tell CCP to buff range? Why run a Gallente Assault when a Minmatar Sentinel is far superior? General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1396	Posted - 2014.06.16 06:14:00 - [64] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Then tell CCP to buff range? Why run a Gallente Assault when a Minmatar Sentinel is far superior? not sure who this is replying to but sure id love a LR range buff Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9498	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:02:00 - [65] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... That's a bit too hostile don't you think? Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9498	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:08:00 - [66] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: lol noobs... You know where heavies are gonna be... you know their range of dmg... you know how you're "suppose" to approach one... yet you apparently get molested by heavies allot, YET you call heavies the scrubs? Good one Buff my ar to kill heavies in 2 seconds. Since they both have the same range If your a good shot, have your Proficiency Skill to V, and use A Gallente Commando, the Duvolle Plasma Rifle does come pretty close (538 DPS makes it quite deadly against them). Not to mention that Commandos have a rather large HP Pool, making it possible to 1v1 Heavies if your good at strafing. As for making the base stats conform to your suggestion, no on the grounds that they would be absurdly overpowered when placed on a Light or Medium Frame, and Gallente Commandos could quite possible become God itself. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9498	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:09:00 - [67] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then tell CCP to buff range? Why run a Gallente Assault when a Minmatar Sentinel is far superior? not sure who this is replying to but sure id love a LR range buff My Caldari and Matari suits wouldn't. >.> Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1396	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:12:00 - [68] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Then tell CCP to buff range? Why run a Gallente Assault when a Minmatar Sentinel is far superior? not sure who this is replying to but sure id love a LR range buff My Caldari and Matari suits wouldn't. >.> :3 then go with the (literal cause we have slaves) Master Race Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3684	Posted - 2014.06.16 08:06:00 - [69] - Quote How about using a weapon against them that doesn't have a -20% damage reduction to armor? Or a weapon that chews heavies up (like a shotgun) Instead of complaining about it, adapt, change your strategy, counter them. Whenever I go up against 12 heavies, I run my own heavy and show them how you're suppposed to play the role. Or I switch to a scout and shotgun/remote them to death until they stop camping. Long range maps I use armor eater weapons. Yeah, I wish I could just slaughter everything with my prof 5 scrambler rifle, but not everything can be a caldari scout. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 241	Posted - 2014.06.16 09:22:00 - [70] - Quote Stupied reactive plates... Now heavys ignore my triage hives. Lonewolf till I die

Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2014.06.16 09:26:00 - [71] - Quote Oh I'm sorry Aisha Are you mad they're nerfing your "I win button" remotes? My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 242	Posted - 2014.06.16 10:31:00 - [72] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Oh I'm sorry Aisha Are you mad they're nerfing your "I win button" remotes? This from the guy posting " don't listen to the people saying heavys are op " lol He needs the ehp, since it takes him at least 2 seconds to react to someone shooting him. 2.5 sec and a warning sound wasn't enuf time to react to re's. Lonewolf till I die
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10662	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:28:00 - [73] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Oh I'm sorry Aisha Are you mad they're nerfing your "I win button" remotes? Aisha doesn't use Remotes. He never has. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4887	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:32:00 - [74] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Oh I'm sorry Aisha Are you mad they're nerfing your "I win button" remotes? You clearly have me confused with someone else. I am a proto Amarr Assault that runs a fully maxed out proto SCR, where in the world did you get the notion that I use remotes? Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
End Is Here Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 52	Posted - 2014.06.16 14:25:00 - [75] - Quote Waaaaaaaaaaa what a fking cry baby. GTFO, now! Destiny, please hurry up..... Ps, 1700hp 24/7, boundless, flayloc(for touch of class) There is a heavy vs heavy war going on. Who is the master heavy....... Only SCRUBS cry when they can't kill something. I kill LARGE AMOUNTS of heavies with my exile 'free logi suit'. Get above them, problem solved!
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 99	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:58:00 - [76] - Quote I disagree. I've been playing as a Heavy since Jan last year (end of 'closed Beta') and the only thing that has changed drastically is the difference in heavies, I don't think the numbers have changed that much. Whereas you might see (and could only see) 5-8 (Amarr) heavies per team, you now see 6-9 (varied) heavies per team so it's not that much of a difference; there's still just as many medium and light suits about as there were. Part time Logi, Full time heavy.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2567	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:10:00 - [77] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Then tell CCP to buff range? Why run a Gallente Assault when a Minmatar Sentinel is far superior? Why should I chase fotm? Why can't everything just be balanced.. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9510	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:16:00 - [78] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Oh I'm sorry Aisha Are you mad they're nerfing your "I win button" remotes? A weapon that gave a player 4.65x the amount of time to react than an average human was in no way a win button. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9510	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:17:00 - [79] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: :3 then go with the (literal cause we have slaves) Master Race I'd sooner drink Vitoc than touch an Amarr frame. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1919	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:20:00 - [80] - Quote Victor889 wrote: ... the only thing that has changed drastically is the difference in heavies ... Since Beta, which of the following has also changed drastically? 1) Heavy Hitpoint Potential 2) Heavy Rotation Speed 3) Heavy Resistances 4) HMG Range 5) Shotgun Range Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

Atiim NoGameNoLife 9511	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:21:00 - [81] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Victor889 wrote: ... the only thing that has changed drastically is the difference in heavies ... 1) Has Heavy max-HP changed drastically? 2) Has Heavy Rotation Speed changed drastically? 3) Has HMG Range changed drastically? You also forgot about damage resistance. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1919	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:24:00 - [82] - Quote Atiim wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Victor889 wrote: ... the only thing that has changed drastically is the difference in heavies ... 1) Has Heavy max-HP changed drastically? 2) Has Heavy Rotation Speed changed drastically? 3) Has HMG Range changed drastically? You also forgot about damage resistance. Fixed. Also added Shotgun Range, since they tend to move out-of-range so freely following the first blast. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1871	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:31:00 - [83] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Forever ETC wrote: Again, no one is forcing you to play. You can quit anytime you like, unless if there is literally someone holding you at gun point and forcing you to play. BTW what makes you think that Legion won't have balancing problems when it comes out? You know, you may be in my corp, but I REALLY don't like you let alone have ever seen you in game.... I've seen him. I feel better about my gameplay when I see him. Is it wrong that when I read posts by Heavies I think of Spkr and Taki discussing AV? I get that feeling reading the nerf requests. Forum Metagame at its best. Same old tune of people wanting what they don't use nerfed for a competitive advantage. Anyone who actually wants a real discussion about war materiel or tactics can go find another game. This is FPS politics at its worst for game design, throw in real-life threats on Devs and we will officially hit rock bottom. Although technically these days are less severe than that 2013 campaign to break vehicle/weapon balance. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1920	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:39:00 - [84] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Anyone who actually wants a real discussion about war materiel or tactics can go find another game. This is FPS politics at its worst for game design, throw in real-life threats on Devs and we will officially hit rock bottom. Although technically these days are less severe than that 2013 campaign to break vehicle/weapon balance. Are we not here to discuss and optimize role/weapon balance? Are we not in a better position to do so than the Devs themselves? Are we not more numerous than the Devs? Are we not further progressed in our respective roles? Are we not more aware of battlefield conditions in competitive play? Are we not more aware of battlefield conditions in non-competitive play? Weapons and roles aren't balanced. Thankfully, we have a Dev (Rattati) who is interested in seeing them balanced. I'd like to think our feedback helps Rattati prioritize issues. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1410	Posted - 2014.06.16 17:13:00 - [85] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Anyone who actually wants a real discussion about war materiel or tactics can go find another game. This is FPS politics at its worst for game design, throw in real-life threats on Devs and we will officially hit rock bottom. Although technically these days are less severe than that 2013 campaign to break vehicle/weapon balance. Are we not here to discuss and optimize role/weapon balance? Yeah your role Are we not in a better position to do so than the Devs themselves? After saying you've never used the fit in question you have lost ALL credibility Are we not more numerous than the Devs? And the numbers DISAGREE with you Are we not further progressed in our respective roles? Again you cannot discuss something you have never used get in a militia fit... Are we not more aware of battlefield conditions in competitive play? Are we not more aware of battlefield conditions in non-competitive play? Weapons and roles aren't balanced. Thankfully, we have a Dev (Rattati) who is interested in seeing them balanced. I'd like to think our feedback helps Rattati prioritize issues. Gonna leave this here Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. 2877	Posted - 2014.06.16 17:37:00 - [86] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Pro Tip: Quit playing. "The DUST 514 Dev Team is not reduced or affected by the restructuring at CCP."
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 5090	Posted - 2014.06.16 19:10:00 - [87] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: lol noobs... You know where heavies are gonna be... you know their range of dmg... you know how you're "suppose" to approach one... yet you apparently get molested by heavies allot, YET you call heavies the scrubs? Good one Buff my ar to kill heavies in 2 seconds. Since they both have the same range If a light weapon performs as good as a heavy weapon what is the point of using a heavy weapon? Atiim wrote: If your a good shot, have your Proficiency Skill to V, and use A Gallente Commando, the Duvolle Plasma Rifle does come pretty close (538 DPS makes it quite deadly against them). Not to mention that Commandos have a rather large HP Pool, making it possible to 1v1 Heavies if your good at strafing. As for making the base stats conform to your suggestion, no on the grounds that they would be absurdly overpowered when placed on a Light or Medium Frame, and Gallente Commandos could quite possible become God itself. Hey guys c'mon.... logical thinking doesn't belong here. People obviously want the good ol days of Assault > heavies in CQC. I mean it's obviously the HMGs fault that CCP has lowered the range of the AR right? So let's buff the DPS of an AR to match that of an HMG. I mean that's obviously the best way to go about it ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9524	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:51:00 - [88] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Or when all the "top scouts" tried to defend that the Amarr scout would be hyper OP and didn't need any buffs in the face of over whelming evidence their "scouty know how" was a load of ***. Let's not attempt to re-write history here. The Scout community openly stated that the Amarr Scout would be out-performed and could need adjustments. However, they rediculed the Amarr loyalists because they were suggesting everything under the sun; most of said suggestions would make the Scout overpowered. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.* Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Michael Arck 4696	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:56:00 - [89] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: After which and I forgot his name.... basically proved that Amarr scouts were garbage. Magnus Amadeuss? I remember having an entire thread argument disproving the notion that the Amarr suits would be terrible in comparison. Well, after the math was done it turned out that they were the worst off, but the margin was too insignificant to make a difference. Also, he's in your corp. The fact that you don't remember him is quite sad. >.> I thought he was True's alt? Shrugs. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10686	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:58:00 - [90] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: After which and I forgot his name.... basically proved that Amarr scouts were garbage. Magnus Amadeuss? I remember having an entire thread argument disproving the notion that the Amarr suits would be terrible in comparison. Well, after the math was done it turned out that they were the worst off, but the margin was too insignificant to make a difference. Also, he's in your corp. The fact that you don't remember him is quite sad. >.> I thought he was True's alt? Shrugs. I haven't seen him online in a very long time. Not since before Fanfest...... and since I have been integrating myself into EVE more I have dozens more names to remember, ranks, in Corp RP phrases, skill lists, ship fits, enemy ships to be wary of, LP, shipping my loot, selling my loot, making money, hunting in belts, out doing Aero on kills, etc...... Besides that I have work which is down time compared to EVE...... "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4908	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:22:00 - [91] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: After which and I forgot his name.... basically proved that Amarr scouts were garbage. Magnus Amadeuss? I remember having an entire thread argument disproving the notion that the Amarr suits would be terrible in comparison. Well, after the math was done it turned out that they were the worst off, but the margin was too insignificant to make a difference. Also, he's in your corp. The fact that you don't remember him is quite sad. >.> I thought he was True's alt? Shrugs. I haven't seen him online in a very long time. Not since before Fanfest...... and since I have been integrating myself into EVE more I have dozens more names to remember, ranks, in Corp RP phrases, skill lists, ship fits, enemy ships to be wary of, LP, shipping my loot, selling my loot, making money, hunting in belts, out doing Aero on kills, etc...... Besides that I have work which is down time compared to EVE...... Aero is an eve scrub Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10687	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:25:00 - [92] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: True Adamance wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: After which and I forgot his name.... basically proved that Amarr scouts were garbage. Magnus Amadeuss? I remember having an entire thread argument disproving the notion that the Amarr suits would be terrible in comparison. Well, after the math was done it turned out that they were the worst off, but the margin was too insignificant to make a difference. Also, he's in your corp. The fact that you don't remember him is quite sad. >.> I thought he was True's alt? Shrugs. I haven't seen him online in a very long time. Not since before Fanfest...... and since I have been integrating myself into EVE more I have dozens more names to remember, ranks, in Corp RP phrases, skill lists, ship fits, enemy ships to be wary of, LP, shipping my loot, selling my loot, making money, hunting in belts, out doing Aero on kills, etc...... Besides that I have work which is down time compared to EVE...... Aero is an eve scrub Were both getting better, we actively and confidently enter the warzone now instead of cocking around and warping to the wrong places. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA 16	Posted - 2014.06.17 02:21:00 - [93] - Quote If you are having problems with heavys then the Rail Rifle is your friend. The rail rifle is an anti armor weapon and it has a lot or range. Here is what you do. #1 Spot a heavy. #2 Take some cover behind something like a rock or a crate at a decent distance.. #3 Shoot away with that Rail Rifle. The heavys can't hit you or rather they can't hit you well because the heavy machine gun is a short distance weapon. You on the other hand can reach out and touch all night long. If they start getting close then run away they won't catch you or take some cover, reload and repeat.
Yeeeuuuupppp 340	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:40:00 - [94] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Those adv gal sentinels with 1100 armor that hit And run make me question why I haven'T UN installed this game. But seriously fat boys are annoying. Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1423	Posted - 2014.06.17 03:41:00 - [95] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Those adv gal sentinels with 1100 armor that hit Ann's ruin make me question why I haven'T UN installed this game. But seriously fat boys are annoying. CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4323	Posted - 2014.06.17 04:09:00 - [96] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Range and RE's done moving on I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please donate isk if you want me to pub stomp you
I do SUCK Hired Logi's 79	Posted - 2014.06.17 04:11:00 - [97] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: you are clearly a scout scrub But but butt does that mean I'm a scrub Built Strong Ammar Strong
NoxMort3m D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 450	Posted - 2014.06.17 09:52:00 - [98] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. Heavy and scout had the least racial varients for the logest time it makes sense alot of people would use them , alot of other frames can reach near heavy hp , and given how slow a heavy is its only deadly in combo with a logi, dont get in a heavies face and u wouldnt die Director:Diplomat Search DL514 to apply
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 353	Posted - 2014.06.17 11:07:00 - [99] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. and this is what happens when the community gets blaster tanks nerfed. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1962	Posted - 2014.06.17 12:00:00 - [100] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: and this is what happens when the community gets blaster tanks nerfed. Seriously? That's what you're going with? NoxMort3m wrote: dont get in a heavies face and u wouldnt die A quandary of sorts ... I begin from behind with point-blank blast from my shotgun. And suddenly "I'm in a Heavy's face". Is this when I'm supposed to demonstrate extraordinary gungame and cross my fingers? Why is that again? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3586	Posted - 2014.06.17 13:49:00 - [101] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: and this is what happens when the community gets blaster tanks nerfed. Seriously? That's what you're going with? NoxMort3m wrote: dont get in a heavies face and u wouldnt die A quandary of sorts ... I begin from behind with point-blank blast from my shotgun. And suddenly "I'm in a Heavy's face". Is this when I'm supposed to demonstrate extraordinary gungame and cross my fingers? Why is that again? Heavies actually have faces on the backs of their heads too. #themoreyouknow CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
xSivartx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 80	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:21:00 - [102] - Quote My balance suggestion is to raise the suit and gun costs as they were a long time ago. My proto heavy used to cost 400k and now is only 175k. They were mini tanks and cost justified it.
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2132	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:35:00 - [103] - Quote You don't need anything balanced if everyone is matchmade by lethality/functionality over time. No matter how OP a particular tactic or item is, it would force a player to always be playing better/cheatier foes. Once all the unkillables are fighting each other, somebody has to lose. If the easiest way to win is expensive, it eventually costs too much to do. Simple, really, and it could be done server-side. K/Dr WP/Dr matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3587	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:54:00 - [104] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: You don't need anything balanced if everyone is matchmade by lethality/functionality over time. No matter how OP a particular tactic or item is, it would force a player to always be playing better/cheatier foes. Once all the unkillables are fighting each other, somebody has to lose. If the easiest way to win is expensive, it eventually costs too much to do. Simple, really, and it could be done server-side. That means we'd have a top tier of heavy/logi combos w/ CalScouts on the side CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Ku Shala The Generals 953	Posted - 2014.06.17 16:59:00 - [105] - Quote scout are more op than heavies when a combat rifle scout can walk up and murder a heavy head on there is a problem *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä* Caldari Loyalist: -Assault CK.0 -Logistics CK.0 -Sentinal CK.0 -Scout CK.0 -Commando C-1 series
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9554	Posted - 2014.06.17 17:04:00 - [106] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: scout are more op than heavies when a combat rifle scout can walk up and murder a heavy head on there is a problem Umm I can walk up with a Combat Rifle and murder Heavies in my Logistics, Assault, and Commando suits as well. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2132	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:24:00 - [107] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ku Shala wrote: scout are more op than heavies when a combat rifle scout can walk up and murder a heavy head on there is a problem Umm I can walk up with a Combat Rifle and murder Heavies in my Logistics, Assault, and Commando suits as well. I've seen combat rifles in the kill feed by themselves. K/Dr WP/Dr matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:31:00 - [108] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. You are not a very good player to begin with, heavys are being what I think they are intended to be, scouts can 3 shot me in the back in my Cal Sentinel, its fair, you need to get better and stop running up on hvys with your 300 to 500 ehp scout.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2013	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:32:00 - [109] - Quote SHOTS FIRED "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.06.17 18:33:00 - [110] - Quote xSivartx wrote: My balance suggestion is to raise the suit and gun costs as they were a long time ago. My proto heavy used to cost 400k and now is only 175k. They were mini tanks and cost justified it. Mine are usually Aur, so bring that price increase.

Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 493	Posted - 2014.06.17 20:47:00 - [111] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Clearly people suck ass at this game and need a 1200 eHP suit to get anything done...getting pretty tired of playing games where 12 of the 16 enemy players are heavies. Legion please hurry up already. You are not a very good player to begin with, heavys are being what I think they are intended to be, scouts can 3 shot me in the back in my Cal Sentinel, its fair, you need to get better and stop running up on hvys with your 300 to 500 ehp scout. If you're playing with a sentinel, you have no right to say that someone else isn't good.... scrub What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 493	Posted - 2014.06.17 20:48:00 - [112] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ku Shala wrote: scout are more op than heavies when a combat rifle scout can walk up and murder a heavy head on there is a problem Umm I can walk up with a Combat Rifle and murder Heavies in my Logistics, Assault, and Commando suits as well. the problem is: the heavy is a terrible player, and relies on a 2k hp crutch to survive, versus tactics and skill What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Ku Shala The Generals 955	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:14:00 - [113] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Atiim wrote: Ku Shala wrote: scout are more op than heavies when a combat rifle scout can walk up and murder a heavy head on there is a problem Umm I can walk up with a Combat Rifle and murder Heavies in my Logistics, Assault, and Commando suits as well. the problem is: the heavy is a terrible player, and relies on a 2k hp crutch to survive, versus tactics and skill really? heavy with no tactics = dead 1200+ ehp doesnt mean anything when you can't run for cover. still have more issues with scouts than heavies... when a bunny hopping in a bulletstream super strafing to the point where my 100% sensitivity can't track a scout that's brick tanked with 700+ ehp that come at me head on is more problematic than a group of heavies. combat rifle scouts are still the scrub of the month fits. RR Ravens FTW keep your plates at home shala out! *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä* Caldari Loyalist: -Assault CK.0 -Logistics CK.0 -Sentinal CK.0 -Scout CK.0 -Commando C-1 series


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