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Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2521	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote Bonuses towards stealth was nerfed, and cloak time was nerfed, making being a actual scout harder, while being a brick tank scout is still a thing. Pointless. If you want to fix a problem, do it right, and fix the actual problem (the brick tanked scouts, not the actual scout) instead of screwing people.......... Peace, Godin click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 802	Posted - 2014.06.04 21:45:00 - [2] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Bonuses towards stealth was nerfed, and cloak time was nerfed, making being a actual scout harder, while being a brick tank scout is still a thing. Pointless. If you want to fix a problem, do it right, and fix the actual problem (the brick tanked scouts, not the actual scout) instead of screwing people.......... Peace, Godin The idea was to force people to choose between stealth or brick-tanking. If people are choosing to brick tank their Gallente scouts, they'll be easier to detect now. If you want to fit your Gallente scout to be stealthy, you will be squishy. So, they didn't fail at what they were trying to achieve. War, Putin Medium frame EHP is not medium
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2521	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:00:00 - [3] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Bonuses towards stealth was nerfed, and cloak time was nerfed, making being a actual scout harder, while being a brick tank scout is still a thing. Pointless. If you want to fix a problem, do it right, and fix the actual problem (the brick tanked scouts, not the actual scout) instead of screwing people.......... Peace, Godin The idea was to force people to choose between stealth or brick-tanking. If people are choosing to brick tank their Gallente scouts, they'll be easier to detect now. If you want to fit your Gallente scout to be stealthy, you will be squishy. So, they didn't fail at what they were trying to achieve. War, Putin So instead of making the bonus only work if you had damps on, and getting rid of the bonus on the cloak completely, nerf the bonus itself, and nerf the cloak time? Yea, that fixes a lot. EDIT: Also, that was the wrong kind of peace you're thinking about. So you have in effect made yourself look like a idiot. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3008	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:15:00 - [4] - Quote It should always have been a module efficacy bonus. Same for the cal scout imo. These passive suit bonuses just don't work.
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2521	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:31:00 - [5] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: It should always have been a module efficacy bonus. Same for the cal scout imo. These passive suit bonuses just don't work. They should have......... click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7912	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:53:00 - [6] - Quote I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1819	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:58:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. Thought: As much as I like it, (or did before the hotfix) do we really need the range enhancement bonus? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 970	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:05:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. wtf what module bonuses have the amarr or minmatar scout??? Sure the minni has the NK bonus but the hacking bonus goes to the suit not the module as well as both stamina bonuses on the amarr scout. These statemets make e wonder If we are talking about different games...
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2521	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:06:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. LOL. Okay, that's good. I'm going to enjoy picturing that click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2521	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:07:00 - [10] - Quote Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. Thought: As much as I like it, (or did before the hotfix) do we really need the range enhancement bonus? Well, do you have an idea of what it should be otherwise? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 463	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:09:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. yesssss......yesssss my preciousssss. make the hacking module a high slot item. Support Balancing scouts
Zaria Min Deir Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 720	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:15:00 - [12] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. wtf what module bonuses have the amarr or minmatar scout??? Sure the minni has the NK bonus but the hacking bonus goes to the suit not the module as well as both stamina bonuses on the amarr scout. These statemets make e wonder If we are talking about different games... That's how I often feel when I see devs' comments about the game and balance therein... Also, module efficacy bonuses are ****** in the sense that they try to pidgeonhole people into filling very narrow roles... which is fine, if that is absolutely what you guys want from the game (no matter how limiting it is)... but if you do it, then you please get that you HAVE to make all the racial variants in the role have equally narrow and focused bonuses. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Zaria Min Deir Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 720	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:19:00 - [13] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: I would suggest a damage bonus for gal (maybe 2% to sidearms or plasma weapons) + profile dampener bonus Minni could really use a fitting reduction on biotics alongside the NK bonus Amarr could use a fitting reduction to plates and a bonus to laser weaponry Cal of course a bonus to precision enhancers and range amplifiers... I doubt they would go for damage bonuses, as that would be too "assaulty"... though I have stated previously that I think it would be epically funny if they gave the galscout a bonus to shotguns... However, this bullshit with the galscout not even having 1 proper bonus is plain silly. Take away the pathetic remains of the range bonus and give it something useful, please? Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3197	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:21:00 - [14] - Quote bricktanking a gallente scout is less effective then brick tanking a assault,logi or heavy. Its a option but a very silly one. You give up speed and the ability to hide from scans.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 463	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:21:00 - [15] - Quote well the module skills themselves do apply a bonus to modules used, rather than a suit. :\ Support Balancing scouts
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 463	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:26:00 - [16] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: I would suggest a damage bonus for gal (maybe 2% to sidearms or plasma weapons) + profile dampener bonus Minni could really use a fitting reduction on biotics alongside the NK bonus Amarr could use a fitting reduction to plates and a bonus to laser weaponry Cal of course a bonus to precision enhancers and range amplifiers... I doubt they would go for damage bonuses, as that would be too "assaulty"... though I have stated previously that I think it would be epically funny if they gave the galscout a bonus to shotguns... However, this bullshit with the galscout not even having 1 proper bonus is plain silly. Take away the pathetic remains of the range bonus and give it something useful, please? I'd rather have my original 5% range back. It's rather silly trying to sneak up on a group of people with a shotgun without it. Cal scans ShortRange High Precision. Gall scans LongRange Low Precision. Gall can't scan cal with 2 complex prec enhancers equiped (if cal has 2 dampeners/cloak) Cal can't scan gal with 4 complex prec, (if gall has 2 dampeners/cloak. ) sad face Support Balancing scouts
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3010	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:30:00 - [17] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. There aren't any module bonuses on Amarr/Min scouts (excluding the Nova Knife as a 'module')... but it would be a fantastic idea to change them imo. Just an idea here: Caldari: Increase Precision and Range Enhancer modules efficacy Gallente: Increase Dampener and Range Enhancer module efficacy Amarr: Reduction to Armor Plate speed penalty and Cardiac Regulator efficacy Minmatar: Increase Nova Knife and... Codebreaker(?) or Kin Cat(?) efficacy while bumping up their base hacking speed by 0.05 perhaps. Every scout gets two bonuses that have very different play styles and are quite unique. Amarr really needs a plate reduction imo... they are meant to be the EHP kings but scouts are also meant to be fast... it just makes too much sense to me.
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 802	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:49:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: So instead of making the bonus only work if you had damps on, and getting rid of the bonus on the cloak completely, nerf the bonus itself, and nerf the cloak time? Yea, that fixes a lot. There are multiple solutions to a problem. Changing the bonus so that it affects modules is another possible solution; if not an arguably better one. The reduction of cloak duration was done to encourage "specialization into cloaks", which means CCP want people to use proto cloaks. My personal opinion is that the reduction to cloak duration is good because it discourages camping and encourages more skilled use of the cloak by forcing players to really choose when they should use their cloak in order to be effective. For what reasons do you think that the cloak duration reduction was a bad idea? Blame the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything for the return of cloak bonus. They managed to make a good argument or peer pressured CCP into not removing the cloak bonus; I'm still debating which of the two occurred. Point still stands that the changes made were not done solely to discourage brick tanking. So, regarding this matter, you are still wrong. Godin Thekiller wrote: EDIT: Also, that was the wrong kind of peace you're thinking about. So you have in effect made yourself look like a idiot. Face it Godin, you got trolled by political joke in which you weren't even the main target being made fun of. Hell, your even name calling. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 463	Posted - 2014.06.04 23:54:00 - [19] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: So instead of making the bonus only work if you had damps on, and getting rid of the bonus on the cloak completely, nerf the bonus itself, and nerf the cloak time? Yea, that fixes a lot. There are multiple solutions to a problem. Changing the bonus so that it affects modules is another possible solution; if not an arguably better one. The reduction of cloak duration was done to encourage "specialization into cloaks", which means CCP want people to use proto cloaks. My personal opinion is that the reduction to cloak duration is good because it discourages camping and encourages more skilled use of the cloak by forcing players to really choose when they should use their cloak in order to be effective. For what reasons do you think that the cloak duration reduction was a bad idea? Blame the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything for the return of cloak bonus. They managed to make a good argument or peer pressured CCP into not removing the cloak bonus; I'm still debating which of the two occurred. Godin Thekiller wrote: EDIT: Also, that was the wrong kind of peace you're thinking about. So you have in effect made yourself look like a idiot. Face it Godin, you got trolled by political joke in which you weren't even the main target being made fun of. Hell, your even name calling. The proto cloak still isn't worth using over the adv. 10 seconds difference, and a dampening boost that's barely noticeable? I'd rather upgrade another module than this. Support Balancing scouts
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 802	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:07:00 - [20] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: The proto cloak still isn't worth using over the adv. 10 seconds difference, and a dampening boost that's barely noticeable? I'd rather upgrade another module than this. 10 seconds in game can greatly change an outcome. It's fine if you feel 10 seconds isn't worth much, but to me it's a big deal. It's what the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything asked for. Don't look at me, I don't even agree with them. Medium frame EHP is not medium

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1971	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:10:00 - [21] - Quote How about also making it a flat 75% for Cloak Reduction? At the moment, a Basic Cloak is harder to fit at Scout level 3 than a Prototype Cloak at Scout 5. With the nerf, you have seriously screwed low SP players. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1399	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:37:00 - [22] - Quote o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules won't solve anything. Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. It'd be Invisible Monster allover again; the impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, what they're trying to say is that the GalScout nerf was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case, but I've observed a decline in their prevalence. Godin is moaning about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Again, fix Assault Frames and solve the problem. These should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the GalScout + Brick. Not the Heavy + Fine Rifle. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
RAIDER 04 The Exemplars Top Men. 7	Posted - 2014.06.05 00:47:00 - [23] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. What do you run? if you run gal scout then you have to face the shittiest logi's scans or an cal scout who has scarified a large amount to scan you down. The Corporate Raiders PAC Endorses this Survey Nixon for CPM
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2523	Posted - 2014.06.05 01:42:00 - [24] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: So instead of making the bonus only work if you had damps on, and getting rid of the bonus on the cloak completely, nerf the bonus itself, and nerf the cloak time? Yea, that fixes a lot. There are multiple solutions to a problem. Changing the bonus so that it affects modules is another possible solution; if not an arguably better one. The reduction of cloak duration was done to encourage "specialization into cloaks", which means CCP want people to use proto cloaks. My personal opinion is that the reduction to cloak duration is good because it discourages camping and encourages more skilled use of the cloak by forcing players to really choose when they should use their cloak in order to be effective. For what reasons do you think that the cloak duration reduction was a bad idea? Blame the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything for the return of cloak bonus. They managed to make a good argument or peer pressured CCP into not removing the cloak bonus; I'm still debating which of the two occurred. Point still stands that the changes made were not done solely to discourage brick tanking. So, regarding this matter, you are still wrong. Godin Thekiller wrote: EDIT: Also, that was the wrong kind of peace you're thinking about. So you have in effect made yourself look like a idiot. Face it Godin, you got trolled by political joke in which you weren't even the main target being made fun of. Hell, your even name calling. You can't cross a field in 45 seconds on a large map while still moving stealthily (as in not in the middle of everything where you can be spotted), and there's no stopping points in said fields where you can still cover yourself while you wait for it to recharge. and hiding yourself while scouting is silly, as that means you don't see anything either. The new cloaks are built to be in and out cloaks, so combat cloaks. They are not for scouting. If you want to have it like that, fine; just give me a cloak that I can use that has a long duration, and has a long weapons penalty on it. Oh, and by the way, the main problem with scouts WAS that they were brick tanking so well and at the same time keeping stealth that they were doing better than assaults. And don't try and say that's the same thing that you said, because it isn't at all. I'm not wrong at all. EDIT: I'm not angry, so I have not been trolled. I was just pointing out that you used the wrong kind of peace, so the joke (which I saw, because you know, not an idiot like yourself) made 0 sense. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2523	Posted - 2014.06.05 01:43:00 - [25] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2800	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:31:00 - [26] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Stuff To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? An active proto cloak and 2 complex dampeners works as well. 3 proto damps without cloak * * CCP Logibro or any other DEV reading this. Precision, Dampening, and Range Amplifying modues have an issue with order of stacking penality. Basic prioritizes as 100%, then Advance Modules, then Prototype modules. Making what should only take a basic mod on the Gallente take a complex modules. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2528	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:36:00 - [27] - Quote Appia Vibbia wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Stuff To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? An active proto cloak and 2 complex dampeners works as well. 3 proto damps without cloak * * CCP Logibro or any other DEV reading this. Precision, Dampening, and Range Amplifying modues have an issue with order of stacking penality. Basic prioritizes as 100%, then Advance Modules, then Prototype modules. Making what should only take a basic mod on the Gallente take a complex modules. To forever be hidden takes 3. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1408	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:37:00 - [28] - Quote RAIDER 04 wrote: What do you run? if you run gal scout then you have to face the shittiest logi's scans or an cal scout who has scarified a large amount to scan you down. Scout gk.0? 2 Damps + 2 Kincats Switch to 3 Damps if/when the enemy is picking me up. Godin Thekiller wrote: To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Maths - May they not burn your tanker eyes. Still trying to figure out WTF you're talking about. You're upset that GalScouts still stack plates? So you want to rework the GalScout bonus? Either I'm not understanding you, or you aren't making sense. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2528	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:38:00 - [29] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: RAIDER 04 wrote: What do you run? if you run gal scout then you have to face the shittiest logi's scans or an cal scout who has scarified a large amount to scan you down. Scout gk.0? 2 Damps + 2 Kincats or 3 Damps if/when the enemy is picking me up. Godin Thekiller wrote: To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Still trying to figure out WTF you're talking about. You're upset that GalScouts still stack plates? So you want to rework the GalScout bonus? Either I'm not understanding you, or you aren't making sense. No, I'm upset that CCP decided to instead of fixing the ******* problem break the actual role. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 988	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:40:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=163361&find=unread

Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 988	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:41:00 - [31] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: How about also making it a flat 75% for Cloak Reduction? At the moment, a Basic Cloak is harder to fit at Scout level 3 than a Prototype Cloak at Scout 5. With the nerf, you have seriously screwed low SP players. dude, it's really hard to fit a proto cloak even with 5, I can't even imagine the problems lower leveld scouts face.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1412	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:43:00 - [32] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: No, I'm upset that CCP decided to instead of fixing the ******* problem break the actual role. The problem was 600+ HP GalScouts ducking radar. That should be less of a problem now. Yes, some GalScouts may still tank, but they're much easier to scan now than they were before. What really sucks is that in fixing the GalScout problem, the MinScout got boned. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 802	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:07:00 - [33] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You can't cross a field in 45 seconds on a large map while still moving stealthily (as in not in the middle of everything where you can be spotted), and there's no stopping points in said fields where you can still cover yourself while you wait for it to recharge. and hiding yourself while scouting is silly, as that means you don't see anything either. The new cloaks are built to be in and out cloaks, so combat cloaks. They are not for scouting. Your ignorance in stealth gameplay is showing. You actually believe pushing a button and being cloaked is all that there is to stealth? If you don't know how to play stealthy without a cloak, then I'm sorry but the cloak is a crutch for you. Go play some games that do stealth gameplay well. I'd recommend Metal Gear Solid Online, but the servers were shut down. Godin Thekiller wrote: If you want to have it like that, fine; just give me a cloak that I can use that has a long duration, and has a long weapons penalty on it. What ever gave you the impression that I wanted it like that? I've only been explaining the reasoning behind certain actions. Trust me when I say that if it was done my way, there'd be a ** storm in the forums. You want me to give you cloak with a long duration on it and weapons penalty? Sure. Just let me slip on my super secret blue tag, do some coding and you'll have on your merc's quarters door step tomorrow morning with a bow and everything. But be a good little boy now or I'll give you coal. Godin Thekiller wrote:** Oh, and by the way, the main problem with scouts WAS that they were brick tanking so well and at the same time keeping stealth that they were doing better than assaults. And don't try and say that's the same thing that you said, because it isn't at all. I'm not wrong at all. Let me get this straight, you restate your position with my regurgitated position, and then tell me it's not the same thing... Well its nice to see you realized you were wrong and agree with me, even though you're not man enough to admit it. Godin Thekiller wrote: EDIT: I'm not angry, so I have not been trolled. I was just pointing out that you used the wrong kind of peace, so the joke (which I saw, because you know, not an idiot like yourself) made 0 sense. I'm so stupid that I know a joke doesn't always have to take things in context and can play with words to mean other things. I'm so stupid, that I can debate without needing resorting to childish name calling and petty insults. I'm so stupid, that I don't need to constantly shift the topic to similar and related topics to avoid the appearance of being wrong. Blessed be the ones you call idiots Godin, because they're still smarter than you. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Zaria Min Deir Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 720	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:36:00 - [34] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: I would suggest a damage bonus for gal (maybe 2% to sidearms or plasma weapons) + profile dampener bonus Minni could really use a fitting reduction on biotics alongside the NK bonus Amarr could use a fitting reduction to plates and a bonus to laser weaponry Cal of course a bonus to precision enhancers and range amplifiers... I doubt they would go for damage bonuses, as that would be too "assaulty"... though I have stated previously that I think it would be epically funny if they gave the galscout a bonus to shotguns... However, this bullshit with the galscout not even having 1 proper bonus is plain silly. Take away the pathetic remains of the range bonus and give it something useful, please? I'd rather have my original 5% range back. It's rather silly trying to sneak up on a group of people with a shotgun without it. Cal scans ShortRange High Precision. Gall scans LongRange Low Precision. Gall can't scan cal with 2 complex prec enhancers equiped (if cal has 2 dampeners/cloak) Cal can't scan gal with 4 complex prec, (if gall has 2 dampeners/cloak. ) sad face I'd rather have the range bonus too, but not this pathetic stump of a one... but didn't you hear, the scan radius bonus "doesn't fit the flavour" of the galscout... or some such nonsense. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 468	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:46:00 - [35] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: I would suggest a damage bonus for gal (maybe 2% to sidearms or plasma weapons) + profile dampener bonus Minni could really use a fitting reduction on biotics alongside the NK bonus Amarr could use a fitting reduction to plates and a bonus to laser weaponry Cal of course a bonus to precision enhancers and range amplifiers... I doubt they would go for damage bonuses, as that would be too "assaulty"... though I have stated previously that I think it would be epically funny if they gave the galscout a bonus to shotguns... However, this bullshit with the galscout not even having 1 proper bonus is plain silly. Take away the pathetic remains of the range bonus and give it something useful, please? I'd rather have my original 5% range back. It's rather silly trying to sneak up on a group of people with a shotgun without it. Cal scans ShortRange High Precision. Gall scans LongRange Low Precision. Gall can't scan cal with 2 complex prec enhancers equiped (if cal has 2 dampeners/cloak) Cal can't scan gal with 4 complex prec, (if gall has 2 dampeners/cloak. ) sad face I'd rather have the range bonus too, but not this pathetic stump of a one... but didn't you hear, the scan radius bonus "doesn't fit the flavour" of the galscout... or some such nonsense. Heard something about whatever tips the scales towards the cal scouts favor. Support Balancing scouts
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 971	Posted - 2014.06.05 07:44:00 - [36] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: No, I'm upset that CCP decided to instead of fixing the ******* problem break the actual role. The problem was fast-as-hell 600+ HP GalScouts ducking radar. That should be less of a problem now. Yes, some GalScouts may still tank, but they're now slower and easier to scan. What really sucks is that in fixing the GalScout problem, the MinScout got boned. Even 600 HP gal scouts were slower than lets say a 600 hp cal scout,. This community is so funny everyone is bitchin on brick tanked gal scouts for no reasons (they were already rather easy targets) but no one is complaining about the cal scout wit nearly the same ability to tank while beeing faster with better regen for most of his HP . Now we will see 700-800 Hp cal scouts with ACR's even more than before. Th gal scout has been ruined he is only halfway viable on proto levels now where a cal scout for instance is still fantastic even at advanced levels. CCP simply hates gallente tech and loves caldari tech . This is the first time I really think of speccing into a caldari suit...since chrome and that makes me sad.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 971	Posted - 2014.06.05 07:52:00 - [37] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Based on my math you would need two complex and one advanced...
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1822	Posted - 2014.06.05 10:59:00 - [38] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. Thought: As much as I like it, (or did before the hotfix) do we really need the range enhancement bonus? Well, do you have an idea of what it should be otherwise? I'm just wondering if it needs to be thing at all (at least for gal) If we lost that we could go back up a bit in dampening. Maybe. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:11:00 - [39] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Based on my math you would need two complex and one advanced... Still 3 damps, and for some reason it doesn't work (probably something wrong with the penalties vov). click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:25:00 - [40] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: No, I'm upset that CCP decided to instead of fixing the ******* problem break the actual role. The problem was fast-as-hell 600+ HP GalScouts ducking radar. That should be less of a problem now. Yes, some GalScouts may still tank, but they're now slower and easier to scan. What really sucks is that in fixing the GalScout problem, the MinScout got boned. ............ You missed the point entirely............ click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:26:00 - [41] - Quote Spademan wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. Thought: As much as I like it, (or did before the hotfix) do we really need the range enhancement bonus? Well, do you have an idea of what it should be otherwise? I'm just wondering if it needs to be thing at all (at least for gal) If we lost that we could go back up a bit in dampening. Maybe. That needs to go up anyways. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1441	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:32:00 - [42] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: ............ You missed the point entirely............ Are you saying ... Instead of nerfing eWar Scouts, Rattati should've nerfed bricked Scouts? I've read that before somewhere. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:38:00 - [43] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ............ You missed the point entirely............ Are you saying ... Instead of nerfing eWar Scouts, Rattati should've nerfed bricked Scouts? I've read that before somewhere. NO ***** !!!!!!!!!! Are you that thick in the head, or can't read worth a **? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1442	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:56:00 - [44] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: NO ***** !!!!!!!!!! Are you that thick in the head, or can't read worth a *? Apparently I am think in the head. I just reread your thread start to finish (including title). Found lots of non-specific moaning and complaining. Found no numbers, suggestions, specifics, etc. I understand that you're upset, but I've no idea what its about. You've left a lot to the imagination. Why not tell us specifically what's pssing you off and propose how you'd fix it? Is this not the Feedback / Suggestion section of the Forums? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 18:06:00 - [45] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: NO ***** !!!!!!!!!! Are you that thick in the head, or can't read worth a *? Apparently I am think in the head. I just reread your thread start to finish (including title). Found lots of non-specific moaning and complaining. Found no numbers, suggestions, specifics, etc. I understand that you're upset, but I've no idea what its about. You've left a lot to the imagination. Why not tell us specifically what's pssing you off and propose how you'd fix it? Is this not the Feedback / Suggestion section of the Forums? I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1445	Posted - 2014.06.05 18:18:00 - [46] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. Someday, you'll have a beautiful girlfriend or wife. She'll be furious. You will have no idea why. You'll clean the garage, sweep the deck and wash the cars. She'll still be furious. You'll ask did I forget a special occasion? To take out the trash? Her only response will be to glare at you. Are you trying to be my video-game wife, Godin? I've never had an internet wife before. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 18:21:00 - [47] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. Someday, you'll have a beautiful girlfriend or wife. She'll be furious. You will have no idea why. You'll clean the garage, sweep the deck and wash the cars. She'll still be furious. You'll ask did I forget a special occasion? To take out the trash? Her only response will be to glare at you. Are you trying to be my video-game wife, Godin? I've never had an internet wife before. I've been in that situation before........ oh wait, no I haven't. Why? Because I don't forget anything. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5116	Posted - 2014.06.06 05:41:00 - [48] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. Someday, you'll have a beautiful girlfriend or wife. She'll be furious. You will have no idea why. You'll clean the garage, sweep the deck and wash the cars. She'll still be furious. You'll ask did I forget a special occasion? To take out the trash? Her only response will be to glare at you. Are you trying to be my video-game wife, Godin? I've never had an internet wife before. I've been in that situation before........ oh wait, no I haven't. Why? Because I don't forget anything. And he NEVER FORGIVES Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 975	Posted - 2014.06.06 08:04:00 - [49] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Based on my math you would need two complex and one advanced... Still 3 damps, and for some reason it doesn't work (probably something wrong with the penalties vov). Really? hmm I have never been scanned with my 3 damp gk0 but I can't speak for precision tanked cal scouts of course as I did not get notice If they can scan me...I would love to test this with proto gallente Logi and focussed scanner and a pro ck0 scout tanked for max precision...
Some Alaskan Armored Dragon Dust 19	Posted - 2014.06.06 10:34:00 - [50] - Quote How about switching the range increase to 2% or 3% ion pistol damage per level?

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1462	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:32:00 - [51] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Really? hmm I have never been scanned with my 3 damp gk0 but I can't speak for precision tanked cal scouts of course as I did not get notice If they can scan me...I would love to test this with proto gallente Logi and focussed scanner and a pro ck0 scout tanked for max precision... Max Scan Precision is 15 dB. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2547	Posted - 2014.06.08 13:48:00 - [52] - Quote Some Alaskan wrote: How about switching the range increase to 2% or 3% ion pistol damage per level? lol, there's no way that was serious click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-


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