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Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 988	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:41:00 - [31] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: How about also making it a flat 75% for Cloak Reduction? At the moment, a Basic Cloak is harder to fit at Scout level 3 than a Prototype Cloak at Scout 5. With the nerf, you have seriously screwed low SP players. dude, it's really hard to fit a proto cloak even with 5, I can't even imagine the problems lower leveld scouts face.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1412	Posted - 2014.06.05 02:43:00 - [32] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: No, I'm upset that CCP decided to instead of fixing the ******* problem break the actual role. The problem was 600+ HP GalScouts ducking radar. That should be less of a problem now. Yes, some GalScouts may still tank, but they're much easier to scan now than they were before. What really sucks is that in fixing the GalScout problem, the MinScout got boned. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 802	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:07:00 - [33] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You can't cross a field in 45 seconds on a large map while still moving stealthily (as in not in the middle of everything where you can be spotted), and there's no stopping points in said fields where you can still cover yourself while you wait for it to recharge. and hiding yourself while scouting is silly, as that means you don't see anything either. The new cloaks are built to be in and out cloaks, so combat cloaks. They are not for scouting. Your ignorance in stealth gameplay is showing. You actually believe pushing a button and being cloaked is all that there is to stealth? If you don't know how to play stealthy without a cloak, then I'm sorry but the cloak is a crutch for you. Go play some games that do stealth gameplay well. I'd recommend Metal Gear Solid Online, but the servers were shut down. Godin Thekiller wrote: If you want to have it like that, fine; just give me a cloak that I can use that has a long duration, and has a long weapons penalty on it. What ever gave you the impression that I wanted it like that? I've only been explaining the reasoning behind certain actions. Trust me when I say that if it was done my way, there'd be a ** storm in the forums. You want me to give you cloak with a long duration on it and weapons penalty? Sure. Just let me slip on my super secret blue tag, do some coding and you'll have on your merc's quarters door step tomorrow morning with a bow and everything. But be a good little boy now or I'll give you coal. Godin Thekiller wrote:** Oh, and by the way, the main problem with scouts WAS that they were brick tanking so well and at the same time keeping stealth that they were doing better than assaults. And don't try and say that's the same thing that you said, because it isn't at all. I'm not wrong at all. Let me get this straight, you restate your position with my regurgitated position, and then tell me it's not the same thing... Well its nice to see you realized you were wrong and agree with me, even though you're not man enough to admit it. Godin Thekiller wrote: EDIT: I'm not angry, so I have not been trolled. I was just pointing out that you used the wrong kind of peace, so the joke (which I saw, because you know, not an idiot like yourself) made 0 sense. I'm so stupid that I know a joke doesn't always have to take things in context and can play with words to mean other things. I'm so stupid, that I can debate without needing resorting to childish name calling and petty insults. I'm so stupid, that I don't need to constantly shift the topic to similar and related topics to avoid the appearance of being wrong. Blessed be the ones you call idiots Godin, because they're still smarter than you. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Zaria Min Deir Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 720	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:36:00 - [34] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: I would suggest a damage bonus for gal (maybe 2% to sidearms or plasma weapons) + profile dampener bonus Minni could really use a fitting reduction on biotics alongside the NK bonus Amarr could use a fitting reduction to plates and a bonus to laser weaponry Cal of course a bonus to precision enhancers and range amplifiers... I doubt they would go for damage bonuses, as that would be too "assaulty"... though I have stated previously that I think it would be epically funny if they gave the galscout a bonus to shotguns... However, this bullshit with the galscout not even having 1 proper bonus is plain silly. Take away the pathetic remains of the range bonus and give it something useful, please? I'd rather have my original 5% range back. It's rather silly trying to sneak up on a group of people with a shotgun without it. Cal scans ShortRange High Precision. Gall scans LongRange Low Precision. Gall can't scan cal with 2 complex prec enhancers equiped (if cal has 2 dampeners/cloak) Cal can't scan gal with 4 complex prec, (if gall has 2 dampeners/cloak. ) sad face I'd rather have the range bonus too, but not this pathetic stump of a one... but didn't you hear, the scan radius bonus "doesn't fit the flavour" of the galscout... or some such nonsense. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 468	Posted - 2014.06.05 03:46:00 - [35] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: Spartan MK420 wrote: Zaria Min Deir wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: I would suggest a damage bonus for gal (maybe 2% to sidearms or plasma weapons) + profile dampener bonus Minni could really use a fitting reduction on biotics alongside the NK bonus Amarr could use a fitting reduction to plates and a bonus to laser weaponry Cal of course a bonus to precision enhancers and range amplifiers... I doubt they would go for damage bonuses, as that would be too "assaulty"... though I have stated previously that I think it would be epically funny if they gave the galscout a bonus to shotguns... However, this bullshit with the galscout not even having 1 proper bonus is plain silly. Take away the pathetic remains of the range bonus and give it something useful, please? I'd rather have my original 5% range back. It's rather silly trying to sneak up on a group of people with a shotgun without it. Cal scans ShortRange High Precision. Gall scans LongRange Low Precision. Gall can't scan cal with 2 complex prec enhancers equiped (if cal has 2 dampeners/cloak) Cal can't scan gal with 4 complex prec, (if gall has 2 dampeners/cloak. ) sad face I'd rather have the range bonus too, but not this pathetic stump of a one... but didn't you hear, the scan radius bonus "doesn't fit the flavour" of the galscout... or some such nonsense. Heard something about whatever tips the scales towards the cal scouts favor. Support Balancing scouts
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 971	Posted - 2014.06.05 07:44:00 - [36] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: No, I'm upset that CCP decided to instead of fixing the ******* problem break the actual role. The problem was fast-as-hell 600+ HP GalScouts ducking radar. That should be less of a problem now. Yes, some GalScouts may still tank, but they're now slower and easier to scan. What really sucks is that in fixing the GalScout problem, the MinScout got boned. Even 600 HP gal scouts were slower than lets say a 600 hp cal scout,. This community is so funny everyone is bitchin on brick tanked gal scouts for no reasons (they were already rather easy targets) but no one is complaining about the cal scout wit nearly the same ability to tank while beeing faster with better regen for most of his HP . Now we will see 700-800 Hp cal scouts with ACR's even more than before. Th gal scout has been ruined he is only halfway viable on proto levels now where a cal scout for instance is still fantastic even at advanced levels. CCP simply hates gallente tech and loves caldari tech . This is the first time I really think of speccing into a caldari suit...since chrome and that makes me sad.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 971	Posted - 2014.06.05 07:52:00 - [37] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Based on my math you would need two complex and one advanced...
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1822	Posted - 2014.06.05 10:59:00 - [38] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. Thought: As much as I like it, (or did before the hotfix) do we really need the range enhancement bonus? Well, do you have an idea of what it should be otherwise? I'm just wondering if it needs to be thing at all (at least for gal) If we lost that we could go back up a bit in dampening. Maybe. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:11:00 - [39] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Based on my math you would need two complex and one advanced... Still 3 damps, and for some reason it doesn't work (probably something wrong with the penalties vov). click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:25:00 - [40] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: No, I'm upset that CCP decided to instead of fixing the ******* problem break the actual role. The problem was fast-as-hell 600+ HP GalScouts ducking radar. That should be less of a problem now. Yes, some GalScouts may still tank, but they're now slower and easier to scan. What really sucks is that in fixing the GalScout problem, the MinScout got boned. ............ You missed the point entirely............ click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:26:00 - [41] - Quote Spademan wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Spademan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm (Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.) I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well. Thought: As much as I like it, (or did before the hotfix) do we really need the range enhancement bonus? Well, do you have an idea of what it should be otherwise? I'm just wondering if it needs to be thing at all (at least for gal) If we lost that we could go back up a bit in dampening. Maybe. That needs to go up anyways. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1441	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:32:00 - [42] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: ............ You missed the point entirely............ Are you saying ... Instead of nerfing eWar Scouts, Rattati should've nerfed bricked Scouts? I've read that before somewhere. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:38:00 - [43] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ............ You missed the point entirely............ Are you saying ... Instead of nerfing eWar Scouts, Rattati should've nerfed bricked Scouts? I've read that before somewhere. NO ***** !!!!!!!!!! Are you that thick in the head, or can't read worth a **? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1442	Posted - 2014.06.05 17:56:00 - [44] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: NO ***** !!!!!!!!!! Are you that thick in the head, or can't read worth a *? Apparently I am think in the head. I just reread your thread start to finish (including title). Found lots of non-specific moaning and complaining. Found no numbers, suggestions, specifics, etc. I understand that you're upset, but I've no idea what its about. You've left a lot to the imagination. Why not tell us specifically what's pssing you off and propose how you'd fix it? Is this not the Feedback / Suggestion section of the Forums? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 18:06:00 - [45] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: NO ***** !!!!!!!!!! Are you that thick in the head, or can't read worth a *? Apparently I am think in the head. I just reread your thread start to finish (including title). Found lots of non-specific moaning and complaining. Found no numbers, suggestions, specifics, etc. I understand that you're upset, but I've no idea what its about. You've left a lot to the imagination. Why not tell us specifically what's pssing you off and propose how you'd fix it? Is this not the Feedback / Suggestion section of the Forums? I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1445	Posted - 2014.06.05 18:18:00 - [46] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. Someday, you'll have a beautiful girlfriend or wife. She'll be furious. You will have no idea why. You'll clean the garage, sweep the deck and wash the cars. She'll still be furious. You'll ask did I forget a special occasion? To take out the trash? Her only response will be to glare at you. Are you trying to be my video-game wife, Godin? I've never had an internet wife before. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2532	Posted - 2014.06.05 18:21:00 - [47] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. Someday, you'll have a beautiful girlfriend or wife. She'll be furious. You will have no idea why. You'll clean the garage, sweep the deck and wash the cars. She'll still be furious. You'll ask did I forget a special occasion? To take out the trash? Her only response will be to glare at you. Are you trying to be my video-game wife, Godin? I've never had an internet wife before. I've been in that situation before........ oh wait, no I haven't. Why? Because I don't forget anything. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5116	Posted - 2014.06.06 05:41:00 - [48] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: I didn't have to explain it to anyone else. Not going to baby you. I refuse. Someday, you'll have a beautiful girlfriend or wife. She'll be furious. You will have no idea why. You'll clean the garage, sweep the deck and wash the cars. She'll still be furious. You'll ask did I forget a special occasion? To take out the trash? Her only response will be to glare at you. Are you trying to be my video-game wife, Godin? I've never had an internet wife before. I've been in that situation before........ oh wait, no I haven't. Why? Because I don't forget anything. And he NEVER FORGIVES Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 975	Posted - 2014.06.06 08:04:00 - [49] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: o/ Logibro Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why. GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules? Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good. If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates. I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package. Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient. Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence. If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts. Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem. Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit. Not the Slayer Logi. Not the brick-tanked GalScout. Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy. The Assault Frame. To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about? Based on my math you would need two complex and one advanced... Still 3 damps, and for some reason it doesn't work (probably something wrong with the penalties vov). Really? hmm I have never been scanned with my 3 damp gk0 but I can't speak for precision tanked cal scouts of course as I did not get notice If they can scan me...I would love to test this with proto gallente Logi and focussed scanner and a pro ck0 scout tanked for max precision...
Some Alaskan Armored Dragon Dust 19	Posted - 2014.06.06 10:34:00 - [50] - Quote How about switching the range increase to 2% or 3% ion pistol damage per level?

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1462	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:32:00 - [51] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Really? hmm I have never been scanned with my 3 damp gk0 but I can't speak for precision tanked cal scouts of course as I did not get notice If they can scan me...I would love to test this with proto gallente Logi and focussed scanner and a pro ck0 scout tanked for max precision... Max Scan Precision is 15 dB. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2547	Posted - 2014.06.08 13:48:00 - [52] - Quote Some Alaskan wrote: How about switching the range increase to 2% or 3% ion pistol damage per level? lol, there's no way that was serious click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-


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