Bonuses towards stealth was nerfed, and cloak time was nerfed, making being a actual scout harder, while being a brick tank scout is still a thing. Pointless. If you want to fix a problem, do it right, and fix the actual problem (the brick tanked scouts, not the actual scout) instead of screwing people..........


Peace, Godin

The idea was to force people to choose between stealth or brick-tanking. If people are choosing to brick tank their Gallente scouts, they'll be easier to detect now. If you want to fit your Gallente scout to be stealthy, you will be squishy. So, they didn't fail at what they were trying to achieve.

War, Putin

It should always have been a module efficacy bonus. Same for the cal scout imo.

These passive suit bonuses just don't work.

I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm

(Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.)

I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well.

I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm

(Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.)

I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well.

I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm

(Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.)

I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well.

Thought: As much as I like it, (or did before the hotfix) do we really need the range enhancement bonus?

I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm

(Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.)

I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well.

wtf what module bonuses have the amarr or minmatar scout??? Sure the minni has the NK bonus but the hacking bonus goes to the suit not the module as well as both stamina bonuses on the amarr scout.

These statemets make e wonder If we are talking about different games...

I would suggest a damage bonus for gal (maybe 2% to sidearms or plasma weapons) + profile dampener bonus
Minni could really use a fitting reduction on biotics alongside the NK bonus
Amarr could use a fitting reduction to plates and a bonus to laser weaponry
Cal of course a bonus to precision enhancers and range amplifiers...

I doubt they would go for damage bonuses, as that would be too "assaulty"... though I have stated previously that I think it would be epically funny if they gave the galscout a bonus to shotguns...

However, this bullshit with the galscout not even having 1 proper bonus is plain silly. Take away the pathetic remains of the range bonus and give it something useful, please?

I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm

(Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.)

I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well.

So instead of making the bonus only work if you had damps on, and getting rid of the bonus on the cloak completely, nerf the bonus itself, and nerf the cloak time? Yea, that fixes a lot.

EDIT: Also, that was the wrong kind of peace you're thinking about. So you have in effect made yourself look like a idiot.

There are multiple solutions to a problem. Changing the bonus so that it affects modules is another possible solution; if not an arguably better one.

The reduction of cloak duration was done to encourage "specialization into cloaks", which means CCP want people to use proto cloaks. My personal opinion is that the reduction to cloak duration is good because it discourages camping and encourages more skilled use of the cloak by forcing players to really choose when they should use their cloak in order to be effective. For what reasons do you think that the cloak duration reduction was a bad idea?

Blame the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything for the return of cloak bonus. They managed to make a good argument or peer pressured CCP into not removing the cloak bonus; I'm still debating which of the two occurred.

Face it Godin, you got trolled by political joke in which you weren't even the main target being made fun of. Hell, your even name calling.

The proto cloak still isn't worth using over the adv. 10 seconds difference, and a dampening boost that's barely noticeable? I'd rather upgrade another module than this.

o/ Logibro

Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why.

GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules?
Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good.
If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates.

I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package.

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Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient.
Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence.

If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts.
Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem.

Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit.

Not the Slayer Logi.
Not the brick-tanked GalScout.
Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy.

The Assault Frame.

There are multiple solutions to a problem. Changing the bonus so that it affects modules is another possible solution; if not an arguably better one.

The reduction of cloak duration was done to encourage "specialization into cloaks", which means CCP want people to use proto cloaks. My personal opinion is that the reduction to cloak duration is good because it discourages camping and encourages more skilled use of the cloak by forcing players to really choose when they should use their cloak in order to be effective. For what reasons do you think that the cloak duration reduction was a bad idea?

Blame the mass of vocal scout players who feel they should have the ability to be un-detectable to everything for the return of cloak bonus. They managed to make a good argument or peer pressured CCP into not removing the cloak bonus; I'm still debating which of the two occurred.

Point still stands that the changes made were not done solely to discourage brick tanking. So, regarding this matter, you are still wrong.

Face it Godin, you got trolled by political joke in which you weren't even the main target being made fun of. Hell, your even name calling.

o/ Logibro

Not sure where you guys are going with this. Or why.

GalScouts getting better damp bonuses via modules?
Presently, I have to run two damps on my Gal to beat competitive scans. This is good.
If I could get away with one, nothing would prevent me from doing so, then stacking 3 plates.

I'd be an Invisible Monster allover again; which was impetus behind the Alpha nerf package.

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Unless, of course, what Godin is trying to say is that the GalScout nerf package was insufficient.
Its too early to tell whether or not that's the case; I've personally observed a decline in their prevalence.

If I understand correctly, Godin is concerned about a brick-tanked GalScouts.
Once again, if we fix Assault Frames we will solve this problem.

Assault Frames should be the go-to slayer suit.

Not the Slayer Logi.
Not the brick-tanked GalScout.
Not the fine-rifle-toting Heavy.

The Assault Frame.

To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about?

An active proto cloak and 2 complex dampeners works as well. 3 proto damps without cloak ***





*** CCP Logibro or any other DEV reading this. Precision, Dampening, and Range Amplifying modues have an issue with order of stacking penality. Basic prioritizes as 100%, then Advance Modules, then Prototype modules. Making what should only take a basic mod on the Gallente take a complex modules.

What do you run? if you run gal scout then you have to face the shittiest logi's scans or an cal scout who has scarified a large amount to scan you down.

To completely hide yourself, you now have to use 3 proto damps. wtf are you talking about?

Scout gk.0? 2 Damps + 2 Kincats or 3 Damps if/when the enemy is picking me up.



Still trying to figure out WTF you're talking about.
You're upset that GalScouts still stack plates?
So you want to rework the GalScout bonus?

Either I'm not understanding you, or you aren't making sense.

I literally just stood up and said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!" /facepalm

(Apologies to anyone that actually did suggest it earlier that we may have missed.)

I'll have a chat with CCP Ratatti and we can some numbers. That might actually work better, not to mention it would be closer to the Amarr and Minmatar scouts which also have module/weapon efficacy bonuses as well.