DUST Search - My findings so far from Hotfix Alpha

Cat Merc wrote:

Caldari Scouts are the huge majority of the scouts who killed me and the ones I spotted in general (As a Gal Assault)

The few Gallente scouts I encountered were bricked to all hell (And I do mean BRICKED, fricking heavies were easier to deal with)

No Minmatar scouts to be spotted, however I did see a couple of Amarr Scouts (Actually more common than the Gallente funnily enough)

Plasma Cannon still lacks AV oomph thanks to it's ridiculously long time to a second shot (Around 6 seconds in total), though at least it's scary enough when I combine it with two packed AV nades.

Plasma Rifle feels slightly stronger, though it could be my imagination as I haven't played the game in a while

Cloaked shotgunners are more rampant than I ever remember them to be, so your cloak delay thing did squat (and from testing there's barely any difference)

Repairer Gallente Assaults are awesome. That is all.

Nanohives die damn quick

It's still hilarious to get a kill with the Ion Pistol

That's all I noticed so far.

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Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10124	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:06:00 - [1] - Quote Caldari Scouts are the huge majority of the scouts who killed me and the ones I spotted in general (As a Gal Assault) The few Gallente scouts I encountered were bricked to all hell (And I do mean BRICKED, fricking heavies were easier to deal with) No Minmatar scouts to be spotted, however I did see a couple of Amarr Scouts (Actually more common than the Gallente funnily enough) Plasma Cannon still lacks AV oomph thanks to it's ridiculously long time to a second shot (Around 6 seconds in total), though at least it's scary enough when I combine it with two packed AV nades. Plasma Rifle feels slightly stronger, though it could be my imagination as I haven't played the game in a while Cloaked shotgunners are more rampant than I ever remember them to be, so your cloak delay thing did squat (and from testing there's barely any difference) Repairer Gallente Assaults are awesome. That is all. Nanohives die damn quick It's still hilarious to get a kill with the Ion Pistol That's all I noticed so far. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Final Resolution. 2726	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:08:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Caldari Scouts are the huge majority of the scouts who killed me and the ones I spotted in general (As a Gal Assault) The few Gallente scouts I encountered were bricked to all hell (And I do mean BRICKED, fricking heavies were easier to deal with) No Minmatar scouts to be spotted, however I did see a couple of Amarr Scouts (Actually more common than the Gallente funnily enough) Plasma Cannon still lacks AV oomph thanks to it's ridiculously long time to a second shot (Around 6 seconds in total), though at least it's scary enough when I combine it with two packed AV nades. Plasma Rifle feels slightly stronger, though it could be my imagination as I haven't played the game in a while Cloaked shotgunners are more rampant than I ever remember them to be, so your cloak delay thing did squat (and from testing there's barely any difference) Repairer Gallente Assaults are awesome. That is all. Nanohives die damn quick It's still hilarious to get a kill with the Ion Pistol That's all I noticed so far. I like the Combat rifle better still :> it just feels right, still packs a hell of a punch and has very nice range. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Immortal John Ripper 22275	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:10:00 - [3] - Quote no hotfix will magically fix the fotm suits people skilled into or their bricked builds a few hours into hotfix alpha... I GÖÑ Tacos I GÖÑ Pvt Numnutz I GÖÑ CCP Logibros sexy eye stare.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10125	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:11:00 - [4] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: no hotfix will magically fix the fotm suits people skilled into or their bricked builds a few hours into hotfix alpha... Well, it does appear to have eradicated the Gallente Scout and make the Cal Scout more common than ever. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Izlare Lenix Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 642	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:13:00 - [5] - Quote Wait until players start dusting off their scanners, they we will see how things change. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10125	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:15:00 - [6] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Wait until players start dusting off their scanners, they we will see how things change. I was running a proto scanner all that time. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Immortal John Ripper 22275	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:16:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: no hotfix will magically fix the fotm suits people skilled into or their bricked builds a few hours into hotfix alpha... Well, it does appear to have eradicated the Gallente Scout and make the Cal Scout more common than ever. That was probably the SP event. I GÖÑ Tacos I GÖÑ Pvt Numnutz I GÖÑ CCP Logibros sexy eye stare.
Izlare Lenix Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 643	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:22:00 - [8] - Quote Cal scouts can scan each other and be easily scanned by active scanners. Cal scouts can easily scan brick tanked scouts. Eventually, players will be tired of getting scanned by cal scouts and active scanners and the gal scout will start to be used more often. I have proto cal scout and zero skills in gal scout but am thinking of cross training to gal scout as the dampening will be even stronger now as it will be more unexpected. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 3160	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:24:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Plasma Cannon still lacks AV oomph thanks to it's ridiculously long time to a second shot (Around 6 seconds in total), though at least it's scary enough when I combine it with two packed AV nades. Frist consider this in the hands of a dual wielding PLC, repped Galmando driving a BPO LAV and come back to me. Where does you CPM 1 Candidate Stand? Visit the Super P.A.C Contribution Log
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10125	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:28:00 - [10] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Plasma Cannon still lacks AV oomph thanks to it's ridiculously long time to a second shot (Around 6 seconds in total), though at least it's scary enough when I combine it with two packed AV nades. Frist consider this in the hands of a dual wielding PLC, repped Galmando driving a BPO LAV and come back to me. Well, considering it doesn't have any grenades, the effect would be the same. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10126	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:29:00 - [11] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Cal scouts can scan each other and be easily scanned by active scanners. Cal scouts can easily scan brick tanked scouts. Eventually, players will be tired of getting scanned by cal scouts and active scanners and the gal scout will start to be used more often. I have proto cal scout and zero skills in gal scout but am thinking of cross training to gal scout as the dampening will be even stronger now as it will be more unexpected. False. Gallente Scout is as easy to detect as the other scouts if you do the math. There is no difference if you put on dampeners, the Gallente Scout is just as detectable as any other scout, the bonus is literally pointless. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1819	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:32:00 - [12] - Quote The cloak-to-shoot delay should've been more on the order of 3-5 seconds. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1171	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:34:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: There is no difference if you put on dampeners, the Gallente Scout is just as detectable as any other scout, the bonus is literally pointless. Thankfully I stopped playing, or else I might be annoyed at the over nerfing of yet another of the classes I used. Everybody keep up those booster purchases chasing the FotM in a dead game. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1171	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:37:00 - [14] - Quote Harpyja wrote: The cloak-to-shoot delay should've been more on the order of 3-5 seconds. Just like in Eve, CCP loves them some scrub tactics. For example: MD's, Flaylocks, sliding RE's, etc. Bad at FPS play, bad at FPS design I suppose. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2387	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:38:00 - [15] - Quote Welcome to ONS! Looking forward to squadding w/ you and looking for ways to push the meta in a positive direction
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13992	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:40:00 - [16] - Quote When did cat go ONS? o_O You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 112	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:41:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Cal scouts can scan each other and be easily scanned by active scanners. Cal scouts can easily scan brick tanked scouts. Eventually, players will be tired of getting scanned by cal scouts and active scanners and the gal scout will start to be used more often. I have proto cal scout and zero skills in gal scout but am thinking of cross training to gal scout as the dampening will be even stronger now as it will be more unexpected. False. Gallente Scout is as easy to detect as the other scouts if you do the math. There is no difference if you put on dampeners, the Gallente Scout is just as detectable as any other scout, the bonus is literally pointless. I believe you are incorrect. According to the information I have Galente scouts will need one less dampener than other scouts to avoid scans in the majority of cases.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2389	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:42:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: When did cat go ONS? o_O Today apparently.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10127	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:43:00 - [19] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: Cal scouts can scan each other and be easily scanned by active scanners. Cal scouts can easily scan brick tanked scouts. Eventually, players will be tired of getting scanned by cal scouts and active scanners and the gal scout will start to be used more often. I have proto cal scout and zero skills in gal scout but am thinking of cross training to gal scout as the dampening will be even stronger now as it will be more unexpected. False. Gallente Scout is as easy to detect as the other scouts if you do the math. There is no difference if you put on dampeners, the Gallente Scout is just as detectable as any other scout, the bonus is literally pointless. I believe you are incorrect. According to the information I have Galente scouts will need one less dampener than other scouts to avoid scans in the majority of cases. ONLY when having a cloak active. Which was nerfed. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10127	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:45:00 - [20] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: When did cat go ONS? o_O Today apparently. Yes Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Izlare Lenix Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 644	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:53:00 - [21] - Quote I think Cat Merc has gotten into the cat nip. A gal scout with 2 complex damps and a proto cloak can still get under a gal logi with focused scanner and a cal scout with four complex enhancers. Gal scouts are still king of ewar because there is no counter when they are unscannable. There are several counters to the other scouts especially the cal scout since it now sucks the worst at dampening. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 112	Posted - 2014.06.04 13:58:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: I believe you are incorrect. According to the information I have Galente scouts will need one less dampener than other scouts to avoid scans in the majority of cases. ONLY when having a cloak active. Which was nerfed. Again, I don't agree. Looking at some of the big scanning threats as examples, Gal logi proto scanner: uncloaked a Gal scout needs one dampener to avoid, others need two. 2 precision Cal scout: uncloaked a Gal scout needs 2 damps, others need 3.
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1164	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:01:00 - [23] - Quote Lowest Dampening possible or worth noting: Caldari - 18.49 db w/ 2 complex damps (17.56 db while proto cloak active) Minmatar - 15.85 db w/ 3 complex damps (15.05 db while proto cloak active) Amarr - 14.73 db w/ 4 complex damps Gallente -15.72 db w/ 2 complex damps (14.15 with proto cloak active) (14.94 with adv cloak active) Other: Gallente - 20.08 w/ 1 complex damp (17.72 with proto cloak active) (18.90 with adv cloak active) Caldari- 23.79 w/ 1 complex damp (20.82 with proto cloak active) (21.91 with adv cloak active) For reference: Gal Logi can 360 scan 4 Focused Scanners that scan at 15db for 5 seconds each. Caldari Precision -17.85 db w/ 2 complex precision -15.81 db w/ 3 complex precision -14.91 db w/ 4 complex precision Gallente Precision 23.79 w/ 2 complex precision All these numbers round up dont forget! Some of these numbers are slightly off as they were made before some hard data on the HFAlpha
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10128	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:04:00 - [24] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I think Cat Merc has gotten into the cat nip. A gal scout with 2 complex damps and a proto cloak can still get under a gal logi with focused scanner and a cal scout with four complex enhancers. Gal scouts are still king of ewar because there is no counter when they are unscannable. There are several counters to the other scouts especially the cal scout since it now sucks the worst at dampening. I have been told that number is 3. I may have to claw someone. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14001	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:11:00 - [25] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: A gal scout with 2 complex damps and a proto cloak can still get under a gal logi with focused scanner and a cal scout with four complex enhancers. Gal scouts are still king of ewar because there is no counter when they are unscannable. There are several counters to the other scouts especially the cal scout since it now sucks the worst at dampening. It can only evade that whilst cloaked, which after the 50% duration cut is hardly a guarantee. To reliably be unscannable you need 3 dampeners. The counter to an unscannable scout with 3 damps? Shoot it. It'll be made of paper. The idea that something you haven't got permanently scanned and lit up on your minimap in uncounterable is ludicrous. Do you think that it should be utterly impossible to evade scans then? Read: Scans not actually having a counter? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1164	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:25:00 - [26] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: I think Cat Merc has gotten into the cat nip. A gal scout with 2 complex damps and a proto cloak can still get under a gal logi with focused scanner and a cal scout with four complex enhancers. Gal scouts are still king of ewar because there is no counter when they are unscannable. There are several counters to the other scouts especially the cal scout since it now sucks the worst at dampening. King of ewar..for how long? 45 seconds? lol..Cal scouts are deadly enough with their strafing and will probably see you before you start cloaking. Gal scouts should just HP/Rep stack with a rail rifle. Cal scouts will just see everything with 1 or 2 precision mods. In PC nobody really wheres dampeners anyway its a case of I see you first, you are dead kind of thing and the same will happen in Pubs.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3293	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:28:00 - [27] - Quote I figured the Cal scout would rain supreme after alpha. Still reeling from the fact that they nerfed eWar on the Gal to prevent brick tanking...still not sure how they though that was gonna work. Still hoping they straight up nerf plate hp values. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 618	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:31:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: When did cat go ONS? o_O Today apparently. Yes welcome to the ROFL family o7 The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Izlare Lenix Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 644	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:34:00 - [29] - Quote When a cloaked gal shotgunner can one shot a cal scout that can't detect said shotgunner, 45 seconds is a long time of being unscannable. And yes the gal could just throw on a third damp to remain unscannable indefinitely, however, my point was two damps and a cloak makes the gal unscannable, regardless of how long. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1296	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:34:00 - [30] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I figured the Cal scout would rain supreme after alpha. Still reeling from the fact that they nerfed eWar on the Gal to prevent brick tanking...still not sure how they though that was gonna work. Still hoping they straight up nerf plate hp values. Armour already got nerfed hard with the movement penalty and fitting increases.



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