nope. My argument is - I think out of the box.

we'll see. It's already been thought of DUST 514 shall be uber game, but it isn't, than Rouge replace Brandon. And I think this man say - give us feedback, give us ideas. Here I am

Sorry for you, but I disagree

That I find it briliant idea. And noone here say no to bombs. Sorry but our discussion is counterproductive. Please use arguments of your own instead " it was discouset and rejected by players" and stuff. I ask you several times about exact bombs I propose and you didnt answer nothing but "if it hover it is OP".

Finaly some opinion I find reasoned. First I like that you find bombs as good idea. Bombs are 50% of my idea, and I link them to dropships, beacuse they are the only flying vehidcle and as I mention, CCP say that no other bird comming in near future. I shall be really happy if jets apear in the game. But here comes my doubts about jets.

At the present level of AV weapons I find jets OP because of their expected speed and maneuverability (it is jets, right). Jets with damage bombs - nightmare. Jets with missles - omg. Whereas Dropships and Assault Dropships are balanced at the present level of DUST 514, even little buff will be good by my opinion ;) .

There is one more thing that bother me about "fixed-wing" aircraft as you name it. If you want to use wings to generate lift force for your aircraft, it supose to have atmosphere on the planet. But that is something strictly individual for every planet. What if a planet didnt have atmospere? And in the same time you have the Dropship without that inconvenience.

Again "it was rejected, a bad idea, etc". Find arguments of your own. And as I mention before - start think out of the box. Drones already was announced, right. Ewar bombs such EMP bomb i propose shall have good result against them. And can you be specific...CPM reject bombs or bombs on dropship. And can you link the discussion.

1: I have given a argument; It can never be balanced without being OP or useless. You want it to be on a goddamn DS for gods sake. The "It has been rejected already by the pilots" just adds onto it.

2: I've thought of countless ideas, most of which people liked. So far you've got one person to halfway like your idea. And again, the idea has already been thought of, and has already been marked as "bad". You can't change that by saying "Well, I think it's a good idea". That's like me saying that eating **** is a god idea, when it clearly is not.

3: Rouge drones have been announced, not drones.

4: IRC chat, and Skype chat. Ask them yourself (note: they'll laugh at you)

5: I'll say this again, learn to quote.

All planets have an atmosphere of some level. Lack of an atmosphere is one of many cited reasons why Pluto is no longer considered a planet

Fluid dynamics works for any fluid, regardless of composition. Now, the effectiveness of the airfoils you use in said fluid can vary dramatically, but I believe it's safe to assume that with thousands of years of military technology developed on a variety of planets, the aircraft we use can pretty much handle whatever New Eden can dish out.

As far as AV, the game can easily have more AV brought in that offer higher speeds for hitting fast-moving vehicles at the expense of not being able to turn well, for example. The Forge will still work fine as long as you lead your targets.

Also keep in mind that said aircraft would most likely be very low on hitpoints. It wouldn't take many AV players to bring one down, possibly even just one with good timing and good gear.

I'll be glad to test that bird, but as it was said - not in near feature :(

You see jets only with bombs or with (un)guided missiles too? Any other weapons?

1. How many times you test it before you say so, can you show us some metrics? - NO
2. Mark "BAD" - not by me and ppl I speak in squads until I Play. If one group of ppl say its bad, didnt mean its bad actually. Thats why EVE have test server.

3. When appear 90+% of playes will call them just drones. I can bet
4. I hope they`ll join us here with their own arguments - if you want to be hear by CCP - this is the right place. And a lot of ppl laugh on Galileo, Magelan, Da Vinci - can you tell me their names?

5. Only to make you feel better :)

OMG Godin! WTF is with your arguing!

"It would be bad and OP because I say it is! No I don't need to explain why because it's obvious! Everyone thinks so, I promise!"


OP, I have a serious issue with hovering vehicles being able to deal such excessive amounts of damage like that, especially considering a vehicle with a Dropship above it is entirely helpless.

Better to stick to EWAR and area denial functions for now.

Also, 15s is a very long time. 10s should be more than enough for almost any of those effects.

EDIT: I should clarify I mean any targeted effects; denial effects are fine IMO to last for a long time.

Mobius, Godin. I start thinking how I shall play with jets, try to imagine the process. So lets see it step by step


1. How you get in the jet? atm RDV is droping a vehicle for you. Let say ok, RDV shall bring me jet. Ok, and? If the jet can't hover, it probably shall need some kind of airstrip, because if it cant hover it need a clear surface to get speed and take off.

2. When you get in the air you need minimum speed to have lift force for flying, it mean you shall fly fast and have minimum time for aim, lock on, shoot. On the image i see posted from Mobius in his forum post - this - that galente figther have a small wings and if you have atmosphere density similar on earth you shall need critical speed of 300-350 km/h to not fly like an iron. I can't see fun, may be only dogfights.

3. When you run out of ammo in Dropship you just land/hover near supply depot. If the jet can't hover probably it need to land for resuply and repair? Where? CCP build airstrips on every map?

4. If I decide that I want go by foot and want to recall the jet I am flying where I am landing? Airstrip again or?


This 4 points need answers before jets apear. I am just qurious how it shall happend withour hovering ;)




Godin, the bombs I propose are mostly E-WAR bombs, The one that make 3000 damage, it makes it only to shield, please read it, all other bombs have suportive role, it mean you need teammates to kill something, you cannot do it only with single bomb. And becasue you kindly remind us that dropship have suportive role, I think suportive bomb will be excelent addition to its arsenal.

Godin, CPM are not mentors, their role is different. There is a lot more ppl dedicated to the game then CPM guys, without any wish to be CPM member. Their role is to collect OUR wishes and to put it on table when meed the devs. If you are CPM dont mean you know what is good and what is bad. There should be test server for that things. The result of test server can say which is bad and wich isn't, not me, you or CPM member. The mankind history is full with examles how something rejected come back later with hige succes.

The jets we've been shown so far do indeed hover, but look to be designed such that hovering would hinder their ability to fight. As well, they could easily be coded such that their weapons are inoperative while hovering.

I did explain myself; It would become a easily accessible OB generator. Also, all of these bombs are directed to break HAV combat (break as in unusable). And the idea has already been trashed. And the majority doesn't like the idea at all. You can go ask around yourself.

I don't see how it'd be a better OB generator than tanks in general, and it's not like it's hard to kill DSes in the first place. Or that DSes are particularly good WP generators.

I mean, his numbers are way too high IMO, but conceptually I think they're fine.

To be quite honest, I'm not certain how exactly the playerbase objects. My objections are more along the lines of making a hovering vehicle an actual AV platform via bombs than any objection to bombing DSes in general - EWAR and other support-type 'bombs' are fine in my personal opinion.

Bombers have to be a specific craft that you skill into, for a long time, very separate in skills than dropships, to be balanced. Plus there will always be hovering. No ships in EVE are made to be not able to hover, if it wouldnt, then its like a car without wheels. It is very common tech (in EVE) that goes into anything that flies.

I still think that DS is perfect for bombs and let me give one more argument. One of the sandbox instruments is fitting option - player to fit its DS in the way he wants. Atm on DS you can fullfill several roles - you can put only tank and just transport ppl, you can put a guns and damage modes and be a paper gun, you can put a scanner and suport your ground troops with data, you can become mobile CRU. May be I miss something, but every choise you make need you to sacrifice something to get another thing. And I see bombs are fitted in that way. Even now granades take PG/CPU from dropsuit, why not be similar to dropships. And why to discover something bround new like jet bomber, that obviously shall hover just to give it ability to use bombs. I can see reason if that specific aircraft can carry a lot of bombs, I can say yes, but it may be OP? For DS I just need 1 bomb in a time, and when there are 10 different bombs who on the ground can say what I am carrying and prapare for - that what the real sandbox is, right :)

Few days ago I read somewhere that fighters are not in near plans for Legion. Than I remember my idea I wrote 3 months ago so I want to put it here, because I find it interesting and a really nice way to implement E-WAR in the game.

My idea is to give new role to Dropships - carrying bombs. Next are my ideas for different kind of bombs. Please note that bombs are not global killer and most of them are with AV purpose!!!

ALL Bombs have splash radius and are carried by Dropship

EMP bomb - shut down tanks for 15-20 seconds - duration depends to tier of the bomb.
WEB bomb - slow the tank speed with 70-90% - depend on the tier of the bomb.
SCRAM bomb - tank can't move but still can fire - duration depends on tier
ECM bomb - tanker can use only FPS camera for some time and tank scanner disapear
CATERPILLAR bomb - destroy caterpillar of the tank and stop him. Can be fixed by remote repair for at least 10 seconds
TARGET PAINT bomb - every hit is 2x damage. Duration 30-60 seconds depends on tier of bomb
FLUX bomb - 3000 damage to every shield (vihicle, instalation, dropsuit) within splash range
ACID bomb - start damaging tank with 30 damage per sconds. Duration depends on tier. Shields cannot regenerate.
MINE bomb - works like remote explosives blowed by contact, but is droped by the ship. Damage depends by tier. 3000 min
BARRIER bomb - make a obstacle that tank or LAV can't go trough or shoot. Last 30-60 seconds. Used for tank traps


SCANER bomb - when droped scan huge radius for a 60-90 seconds. Can be destroyed. Health 1000-1500 HP
FIRE bomb - make a carpet of fire which made 10-20 damage per second for the duration of fire - it could be 15-30 seconds
SMOKE bomb - make remote scaners even much important
WS AVOID bomb - when droped no one can plase warbarge strike on the area of effect. Last 2 min and can be destroyed by opposite team. Deffenetly suportive bomb

The Idea is Dropship can carry 1-2 bombs - that win not make him OP. And of course carrying bomb make pilot to sacrifice tank of his bird

More ideas are welcome

I believe that shall make Dropships awesome. Bomb can be fitted on the lower slot



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