Our assets are saved on the Tranquility Server Cluster (in MS SQL). Sony doesn't own or have access to those servers. Sony gets their cut during the initial transaction, so they should be adequately compensated...

I asked Saberwing this on Twitter:
"If Legion is a different game why is CCP stating that everything will transfer? I want a transfer but I am confused Legion=DUST?"
"Because we want to honor player's investments and commitments. We're using our learnings from DUST for Legion."

So I am guessing that Aurum will transfer over. SP as well. I highly doubt ISK will. It makes the prices for things like Shield Extenders too high for new players because you can just sell them for 30,000 because the people coming from DUST with 50, 100, 500 million, a billion ISK would buy them. The new player would be screwed. With the ISK firehouse that was PC, I don't see that transferring at all.

The problem, though, is not Aurum. That is an easy number. You have 23,304 Aurum left, that transfers easily enough. The problem is Aurum items and BPO's. In Legion, Aurum modules will not exist. Alright, so CCP could refund Aurum for the purchases made... but they can't. How many people have Aurum Forge Guns or HMG's from the Heavy event? Do they refund those; how could they tell "those came from the event" rather than someone buying them? What if they bought a bunch of stuff on sale? I mean, a LOT of people bought Militia BPO's when they amounted to 25 cents each worth of AUR and were later increased to 5 dollars worth of AUR. Do they suddenly get hundreds of thousands or millions of Aurum free?

Bigger issue: things bought for straight money. I have 350 prototype melee damage mods and 7 Dragonfly Scouts from the Mercenary packs. They were 20 dollars each. Those melee damage mods could not be gotten anywhere else; they have no requirements for +25% damage. What are they worth for Aurum? What about my Dren pack? 100 dollars that gave me BPO suits, weapons, and LAV. Those don't have an Aurum value. I bought 100 dollars for THOSE items not for 100 dollars worth of Aurum. That would be like Walmart taking away my 100 dollar TV from my living room and giving me a 100 dollar stereo.

Honestly? I don't think CCP has an answer yet. They obviously want to transfer "player's investments" because that is basically asking to lose all faith with your customers if you do a "thanks for beta testing what is now Legion; please buy everything you had again." But there are a lot of hard questions that they really do not know how to handle. I know you didn't want speculation but until a developer lays it all out on the table it is all we got.

Would love a blue tag as well. *activates the CCP-signal*

Our assets are saved on the Tranquility Server Cluster (in MS SQL). Sony doesn't own or have access to those servers. Sony gets their cut during the initial transaction, so they should be adequately compensated...

This would likely mean AUR, along with some sort of conversion (or some such thing) for SP and ISK.

As far as SP goes, to eliminate the influx of 50M-SP characters on day 1 of Legion, I strongly suggest that you implement a 'for every x million SP, you will have a 30-day passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character' (or whatever the equivalent is - for all I know it has a subscription plan like planet side ).

This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP, without front-loading it or discouraging fresh Legion players from trying to keep up.

You've probably thought of this already, but I suggest only ISK up to a certain threshold be transferred over (corporate wallets would count as one character, to incentivise disbursement). This avoids carrying the economic mistakes of one game into the next.

As far as SP goes, to eliminate the influx of 50M-SP characters on day 1 of Legion, I strongly suggest that you implement a 'for every x million SP, you will have a 30-day passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character' (or whatever the equivalent is - for all I know it has a subscription plan like planet side ).

This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP, without front-loading it or discouraging fresh Legion players from trying to keep up.

I absolutely disagree with this.

I want my investment of time and resources (sometimes from active or omega boosters from events) to be transferred as cleanly as possible to Legion when the time comes. I do NOT want to grind for it again. There is no true transfer of my investment if I have to make the exact same investment as a non-transferred character.

If they perhaps adjusted our passive SP gain (even if they still maintain that system) to drastically increase SP to a predetermined number corresponding with our old Dust character so you essentially achieve full SP investment in say 90 days...that might be legit.

You've probably thought of this already, but I suggest only ISK up to a certain threshold be transferred over (corporate wallets would count as one character, to incentivise disbursement). This avoids carrying the economic mistakes of one game into the next.

As far as SP goes, to eliminate the influx of 50M-SP characters on day 1 of Legion, I strongly suggest that you implement a 'for every x million SP, you will have a 30-day passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character' (or whatever the equivalent is - for all I know it has a subscription plan like planet side ).

This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP, without front-loading it or discouraging fresh Legion players from trying to keep up.

You've probably thought of this already, but I suggest only ISK up to a certain threshold be transferred over (corporate wallets would count as one character, to incentivise disbursement). This avoids carrying the economic mistakes of one game into the next.

As far as SP goes, to eliminate the influx of 50M-SP characters on day 1 of Legion, I strongly suggest that you implement a 'for every x million SP, you will have a 30-day passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character' (or whatever the equivalent is - for all I know it has a subscription plan like planet side ).

This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP, without front-loading it or discouraging fresh Legion players from trying to keep up.

Um.... What? It sounds like you agree more than you disagree.

Sponk(x3) said: "...This will make veterans gain Legion SP in line with their Dust SP" --->

You said: "...increase SP to a predetermined number corresponding with our old Dust character"

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Sponk said: "...passive SP booster pre-injected on your Legion character" --->

You said: "If they perhaps adjusted our passive SP gain..."


Yeah. Sounds like you both pretty much want the same exact thing. In which case, I agree with both of your sentiments. I too would like a transfer of my SP via passive-SP manipulation -- such that we get, in time, Legion SP that is equivalent to our DUST SP.

It's not the same at all.

Sponk is advocating for normal 30day boosters to be keyed to your character in X increments based on the amount of SP you have. If you have a 30/40/50 mil SP character it will take you well over a year to recoup that amount of SP in the system Sponk is advocating. Honestly...you're talking at least 11mo's to hit about the 30 SP mark.

1) I do not agree with needing to "re-grind" in any way. My opinion is that you should get whatever the equivalent amount of SP would be in Legion, unallocated, from day one of your transfer.

2) If for whatever reason that's not possible I strongly advocate for a more significant step than what Sponk is proposing. The 90 day bench mark I referenced was simply a defined maximum window in which SP should equal your Dust level IF the concern is too much of an imbalance at launch.

I never said it was "the same." Do note that preceding the word "same" were the words: "pretty much." Which, of course, denotes that there are, in fact, differences. In addition, the sentiment is more or less the same. Which is to say, the core idea: the crux. That is the important thing, and that is where there is no disagreement from what I can see.

You said you "absolutely disagree" with Sponk's idea. But you don't. What you don't agree upon are the tertiary details.

However, the tertiary detail of how long do we accrue our DUST SP (and other related details) are not insignificant. You mention a 90-day benchmark. Roughly three months... I have trouble with that only if we start getting our DUST SP upon beta entrance. Three months into a beta, and people are pushing mid-8 digit SP amounts (or the Legion equivalent) -- and the game has yet to be officially released.

Another related detail: why does getting our DUST SP back have to be a completely passive affair? Should there be an active accrual of our DUST SP (on top of passive, not instead of)?

I myself would say a six-month SP accrual for passive, in addition to extra 'active SP accrual' to encourage playing AND whittle down the time it take to get your SP back from six-months to, say, three/four with active play.

We're still working on the full migration plan, but what I can say is what I've mentioned before: We want to preserve people's investments in to the game to the best of our ability (without destroying the future game's economy, progression, etc!) This would likely mean AUR, along with some sort of conversion (or some such thing) for SP and ISK.

Again, things are still being ironed out, but we'll announce the full details as soon as we can. Needless to say we're working hard on it

I don't think you are noticing my #1 point. There should be zero re-grind of SP...period.

The addendum for the accelerated SP window was simply my thoughts on a solution if for whatever reason a clean bank of SP can't be delivered to the players upon standing up their Legion characters. It certainly isn't my first option by a long shot.

Additionally, I mean exactly what I write for the most part. When I say I "absolutey disagree" that's pretty much what I mean. I'm also pretty aware that my opinion might not be exactly how CCP goes with things and you need to consider looking a best alternative - even if you don't necessarily agree with the manner it delivers the end state.

We're still working on the full migration plan, but what I can say is what I've mentioned before: We want to preserve people's investments in to the game to the best of our ability (without destroying the future game's economy, progression, etc!) This would likely mean AUR, along with some sort of conversion (or some such thing) for SP and ISK.

Again, things are still being ironed out, but we'll announce the full details as soon as we can. Needless to say we're working hard on it

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So i guess my question back you is what do you think a fair way of transfering SP would be? On that note, there may really not be clean ways to do this depending on how CCP Z's concept plays out. Do you think ISK, ISK derived assets, BPOs, and AUR should come over as is, at all, or with some type of exchange?